Title: Hex-Sealed Fusions as Fusion-substitutes
Description: ONLY to summon the correct Att. fusions?
SynjoDeonecros - July 6, 2005 03:47 AM (GMT)
The Light - Hex Sealed Fusion
Effect: You can substitute this card for any 1 Fusion-Material Monster. When you do this, the other Fusion-Material Monster(s) must be the correct one(s). Tribute Fusion-Material Monsters on the field, including this card, to Special Summon 1 LIGHT Fusion Monster from your Fusion Deck.
Okay, I have a question about its first effect. Does it require you to Fusion summon a monster with the appropriate Attrubite (in this case, Light) with its first effect? I know for its second effect, you have to specifically Special Summon a Light monster, but what about its first effect? Am I able to use it as a Fusion substitute to properly Fusion Summon (or use a card like Power Bond) to summon a Fusion monster with an attribute OTHER than Light?
Tyrin Claw - July 6, 2005 04:05 AM (GMT)
The first effect of the Hex-Sealed Fusion series monsters work exactly like "Goddess with the Third Eye" and "Versago the Destroyer", i.e. they can be used in any Fusion Summon.
SynjoDeonecros - July 6, 2005 04:09 AM (GMT)
| QUOTE (Tyrin Claw @ Jul 5 2005, 08:05 PM) |
| The first effect of the Hex-Sealed Fusion series monsters work exactly like "Goddess with the Third Eye" and "Versago the Destroyer", i.e. they can be used in any Fusion Summon. |
Thank you, just what I thought. Just one more question: it CAN be used as one of the fusion materials for Power Bond, right?
Tyrin Claw - July 6, 2005 04:25 AM (GMT)
It's hard to tell from the wording. I would say yes because it sounds very similar to "Polymerization", and [the translation I saw] didn't say anything about being the correct Fusion-Material Monsters. Of course, once it's released we can know for sure--or if there are any Japan players here who know Japan's official rulings.
SynjoDeonecros - July 25, 2005 11:09 PM (GMT)
Does ANYONE have the official Japanese rulings for the CRV fusion cards (Power Bond, Miracle Fusion, Dragon Mirror)? Trying to figure out how they'll work is making my brain hurt. Among my questions are:
Are you able to use Fusion Substitute monsters with them?
With Fusion monsters that can be Fusion Summoned only with the fusion material monsters that are written on them, do you HAVE to ditch those particular Fusion materials to summon it?
Are you able to summon Fusion NOMI monsters with them (Fusion monsters that can't be summoned EXCEPT by fusion summon)?
If the summon is considered a Fusion Summon, does that mean that I can bring back the Fusion monster I summoned with them back from the graveyard?
Emerald_16 - August 3, 2005 08:32 AM (GMT)
This is the JPN statement:
Magic - Normal
Put Fusion material of a Fusion monsters from hand and/or field into Graveyard, special summon a Machine sub-type Fusion monster. The original attack strength of the monster special summon would be doubled. At the end of turn this card is activate, the player who activate this card would receive damages equal to the original attack strength of the special summoned monster.
(This special summon would be treated as Fusion Summon)
To answer your question: Yes. You can use the first effect for "Power Bond", unless you're designating a Fusion monster that state: "This monster can only be Fusion Summoned by the above Fusion-Material Monsters"
I'm sure when it comes out, we'll finally understand.
Tyrin Claw - August 3, 2005 05:38 PM (GMT)
I agree with Emerald_16 (since his statement agrees with my previous one). Not much longer before it's out so the Netreps should be sending us rulings soon. ^_^
Tyrin Claw - August 5, 2005 12:56 AM (GMT)
Not to double post, but the rulings are in. The English text is as follows:
"Send, from your hand or your side of the field to the Graveyard, Fusion Material Monsters that are listed on a Machine-Type Fusion Monster Card, and Special Summon that Fusion Monster from your Fusion Deck. (This Special Summon is treated as a Fusion Summon). Increase the ATK of this Special Summoned Fusion Monster by an amount equal to its original ATK. During the End Phase of this turn, the player who activated this card takes damage equal to the original ATK of the Special Summoned monster."
Now, that first bit sounds exactly like "Polymerization", but since there are no rulings about how the Fusion Summon works, I'm going to say that it is exactly like "Polymerization". In other words, you can Fusion Summon "Dark Paladin" with it, or "Dark Balter the Terrible" using the correct Fusion-Material Monsters, or use "Versago the Destroyer" as a Fusion Substitute.
SynjoDeonecros - August 5, 2005 01:52 AM (GMT)
| QUOTE (Tyrin Claw @ Aug 4 2005, 04:56 PM) |
Not to double post, but the rulings are in. The English text is as follows:
"Send, from your hand or your side of the field to the Graveyard, Fusion Material Monsters that are listed on a Machine-Type Fusion Monster Card, and Special Summon that Fusion Monster from your Fusion Deck. (This Special Summon is treated as a Fusion Summon). Increase the ATK of this Special Summoned Fusion Monster by an amount equal to its original ATK. During the End Phase of this turn, the player who activated this card takes damage equal to the original ATK of the Special Summoned monster."
Now, that first bit sounds exactly like "Polymerization", but since there are no rulings about how the Fusion Summon works, I'm going to say that it is exactly like "Polymerization". In other words, you can Fusion Summon "Dark Paladin" with it, or "Dark Balter the Terrible" using the correct Fusion-Material Monsters, or use "Versago the Destroyer" as a Fusion Substitute. |
Not to dispute you, Tyrin, but it says that the summon is only TREATED as a Fusion Summon, which is the crux of my confusion. It MAY be ruled that it works just like Poly, it may not. From the wording, it sounds like it just special summons the monster, and it's just treated as if it was Fusion Summoned, so it may have an entirely new set of rules to it.
Frankly, I'd say we should just hold off until we get the official word from Konami, which should be sometime after the Sneak Preview.
monolith_xyber - August 5, 2005 05:25 PM (GMT)
Just wanted to ask do UDE guys get paid more for contradicting each other?
SynjoDeonecros - August 5, 2005 07:58 PM (GMT)
BAH!!! They JUST sent out the official rulings for Cybernetic Revolution, and they say NOTHING about how Power Bond, et all is supposed to work. Looks like we'll have to take this one to the company themselves if we're ever going to get a definitive answer...
Edit: Okay, here's the official text for Power Bond, so we can discuss how, exactly, it's supposed to be played:
Send, from your hand or your side of the field to the Graveyard, Fusion Material Monsters that are listed on a Machine-Type Fusion Monster Card, and Special Summon that Fusion Monster from your Fusion Deck. (This Special Summon is treated as a Fusion Summon). Increase the ATK of this Special Summoned Fusion Monster by an amount equal to its original ATK. During the End Phase of this turn, the player who activated this card takes damage equal to the original ATK of the Special Summoned monster.
Now, the rulings for this card don't state anything about whether or not we can use Fusion-Substitute Monsters with its effect or what, so if we go by what the card says, it looks like it's just a more limited 'pumped-up' version of Poly, limited in the fact that you MUST use the cards written on the Fusion monster you're trying to summon in order to summon it.
*sigh* I give up. Apparently, they've messed up the text and rulings for their cards AGAIN in the English version, and I'm not even going to bother with it, if it's going to be like that.
Tyrin Claw - August 5, 2005 09:08 PM (GMT)
Um. I totally said that in my last post, Synjo. =/
And I still stand by what I said.
SynjoDeonecros - August 5, 2005 09:31 PM (GMT)
This is fragging stupid. I still won't believe it until I get an official ruling by Konami about it. I just don't see how in the hell this is supposed to make sense without any rulings dealing with Fusion Summon-only monsters, or Fusion Substitutes, or anything like that. They do NOT address these questions AT ALL in the card text or the rulings, and these are factors that, in my mind at least, NEED to be addressed.
Tyrin Claw - August 5, 2005 10:04 PM (GMT)
I'm sure they'll be addressed soon. These are only the first rulings, after all. They always start spitting out more pretty fast.