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Title: Jackals And Anubis
Description: Just for clarification...


SynjoDeonecros - March 21, 2005 03:08 AM (GMT)
Okay, now I know that the Jackal cards (Mystical Knight of Jackal and Ghost Knight of Jackal) are unaffected by Necrovalley, since their effects don't target cards in the graveyard. However, does this also mean that they are unaffected by The End of Anubis' effect? Y'see, I'm thinking of side-decking the Mystical Knights in my Jackal/Gravekeeper deck for The End of Anubis, but I just wanted to make sure that Ghost Knight wouldn't be affected.

Tyrin Claw - March 21, 2005 03:20 AM (GMT)
"The End of Anubis" will not negate "Mystical Knight of Jackal" (the monster never goes to the Graveyard) or "Ghost Knight of Jackal" (the effect does not target).

SynjoDeonecros - July 19, 2005 09:35 AM (GMT)
Apparently, people on another forum I'm on don't believe that, and say that there's a difference between 'designating' and 'targetting'. End of Anubis states that you can't 'designate' cards in the grageyard, while the ruling for the Jackals state that they don't 'target'. Because of thet discrepency, they believe that 'designate' and 'target' mean two totally different things in Yugioh, and since Anubis says 'designate' and Jackal says 'target', that means that Anubis will negate Jackal. Then again, I pointed out that Desrook Archfiend IS negated by End of Anubis, as it 'targets' a Terrorking Archfiend in the graveyard, pretty much shutting down that theory.

One more thing, what about Rope of Life? It basically does the same thing as Desrook Archfiend, but it activates when ANY monster is destroyed and sent to the graveyard, not just a Terrorking Archfiend. Since it activates when any random monster on your side of the field is sent to your graveyard as a result of battle, does that mean it targets the destroyed monster? Or is it like Jackal, in that since its effect happanes when any ol' random monster is destroyed in battle, it doesn't target, since it's impossible to know what monster would be destroyed for Rope of Life to activate?

Tyrin Claw - July 19, 2005 02:06 PM (GMT)
Designating is another way of saying targeting. If you recall, the old text was "specifically designates as a target" (including both forms), and has currently been shortened to both designating and targeting.

"Rope of Life" targets the monster in the Graveyard and on the field when it increases ATK. The principle is the same as "Magic Cylinder", which can be used against any attacking monster, but still targets for various reasons. The largest of these is that you choose which monster to use it against, and the same is true of "Rope of Life". The effect of "Ghost Knight of Jackal" never gives you that choice, so it doesn't target (attacking doesn't count as the effect giving you a choice, mind).

SynjoDeonecros - July 19, 2005 08:36 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (Tyrin Claw @ Jul 19 2005, 06:06 AM)
Designating is another way of saying targeting.  If you recall, the old text was "specifically designates as a target" (including both forms), and has currently been shortened to both designating and targeting.

"Rope of Life" targets the monster in the Graveyard and on the field when it increases ATK.  The principle is the same as "Magic Cylinder", which can be used against any attacking monster, but still targets for various reasons.  The largest of these is that you choose which monster to use it against, and the same is true of "Rope of Life".  The effect of "Ghost Knight of Jackal" never gives you that choice, so it doesn't target (attacking doesn't count as the effect giving you a choice, mind).

So, does that mean that Rope of Life is negated by End of Anubis? I still don't get it.

Oh, those idiots on that other forum are still arguing that although Jackal doesn't target, the monster it destroys must be sent to the graveyard, so Jackal's effect MUST be a graveyard effect. Can you please provide them with concrete proof that this is NOT the case?

Tyrin Claw - July 19, 2005 08:40 PM (GMT)
Yes, it would be negated by "The End of Anubis".

*Should've mentioned that...*

EDIT: So they think that the effect activates in the Graveyard? That's simplified by saying one thing: "Ghost Knight of Jackal" is not in the Graveyard! Effects that "activate in the Graveyard" that would be negated by "The End of Anubis" must be IN the Graveyard for the effect to be negated. This ruling might help:
QUOTE (Netrep)
"The End of Anubis" WILL NOT negate Ignition Effects unless it requires the monster to be in the Graveyard when the Ignition Effect is activated (such as "Amazoness Chain-Master").

As we know, "Ghost Knight of Jackal" is a Trigger Effect, but the principle is the same.

SynjoDeonecros - July 19, 2005 09:04 PM (GMT)
Okay, whoa, hold on. I just re-read Rope of Life's effect, and I'm still not convinced that it targets the monster in the graveyard. The way that its effect is worded, it sounds EXACTLY like how the Jackal's work. In fact, the only 'targetting' that I could possibly see with this effect, is the addition of 800 ATK to the summoned monster, but again, that's tentative, at best.

*sigh* Does anyone have a direct link with UED or Konami, so we can get this cleared up?




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