I would like to say that in my opinion it was a poor decision to allow a WAFF moderator to post personal attacks (against members) on this forum. If he needs drama and confrontation, he can keep it where he plays "king of the hill".

I'm not trying to start a "flame" thread against the man. I simply believe that he has attempted to silence a number of the members here, and has often used personal insults to accomplish this. It is therefore unimaginable that he was provided an opportunity to repeat behavior that drove many of us here.

The above comments were for members, and the below is for someone who is not here to defend himself:

Interesting he does not attack the other moderator he booted out (the one that came to WCF creating numerous accounts in order to "attack" this forum).

In any case, all this drama and flaming has no place here. What he was allowed to state publicly he could have accomplished with PM or e-mail. I frequent this forum for informative discussions and not gossip or kiddy-fights.

In closing, I would like to remind the people he has (now) expressed praises and well wishes for, of the vile insults he has used against them in the past.

I believe there is no need to worry Digenis.
I was disturbed as well to see him writing here, but from another point of view it is maybe the right thing to give him a chance to defend himself.
Whatever he says and whether they are credible is of secondary importance, because as we all know we would judge him in the light of the former unfortunate events, i.e. he has no credibility at least as far as i am concerned.
That being said he happens to be right about Pytheus.
Regards

Digenis Poor decision?

Hes comment will stay for 3 weeks in WCF... 3 weeks were the thread from others about him... in WCF...also...
Afterwoulds hes statement will be deleted...and no longer discussions about any member or non member will be allouwed in here...

It was a mistake that we didnt closed the thread about/against him in the beginning...so we haid to give him the change to say hes opinion...and thats it...(of corse i know that we didnt haid the same change to do so in waff...but thats an other story...we arent waff)

No longer discussions about waff or any other forum will be started/allowed/discussed in WCF...
Nor against him or anyone else...
Pm...or email...directly



I hope you understand...

Regards

Lord,

I realize the dilemma you and the mod team faced. You had a member talk about someone, so you felt that it was prudent to allow that person to respond to those "attacks". However, you now had this "offended" person attack someone (Illaria) that does not participate on this forum. Will you allow Illaria to "respond"? Obviously (and rightly) not, as this is not a complaint forum for WAFF members.

I'm sorry for being so direct, but I have had enough with the previous forum most of us came from. We want to put that place in the past, and work constructively on this new home. Re-introducing past nightmares does not aid this forum.

I know where you are coming from, so I hope you understand my point of view as well.

Dear Digenis,

Actually, we all think in the same way. We do not tolerate any WAFF related, or WAFF type of posts and posters here. So this has been a good lesson for us, and the entire mod team, which lead us to the final decision as my brother Lord said above.

From now on we will not allow any one single thread, either pro- or against- any matter relating WAFF.

Thank you for warning us in this delicate issue, I hope you've understood, what you have called our dilemma.

My best regards
Hakan

Dear Hakan,

I hope my message did not come across as a "warning". :)
I simply expressed my position regarding this matter. I fully understood the position you guys were in, and I can rationalize what drove you to your decision. All of you have been doing an outstanding job (something that us regular users seldom acknowledge), but this just happened to be a matter I disagreed with you on. God forbid if I disagree with someone on this forum! :roflmao:

In closing, I would like to state that thanks to the direction you have given this forum, we can look towards an excellent communication medium. No need to resurrect skeletons and ghosts...

With my personal thank you for a job well done,

Dionysis

Now don't be that harsch...
I think the admins did the right thing, as they said in one of their posts -not in the exact words-, it is only logical to let one defend himself in this forum -even if he isn't a member- when one of our forumers chooses to attack him in this forum -which he should have done in a forum where the attacked one could have read it, instead of doing what he did in this forum-.

I don't agree, it was a mistake yes, but the mistake isn't that the admins/mods didn't close the thread. The mistake is situated primaraly on the member who opened that thread and on on a smaller degree on the members tha chose to participate in that discussion...

So now that we had this person attack Illaria (who is not a member), should we invite him here as well to "defend" himself?

Has that other forum reached the point that flames cannot be contained on their own boards, and have to spread like a virus around the internet? I don't fault the admins and mods, because one way or another they were in a dilemma they did not enter on their own (they had to deal with the statements of a member). I simply believe it was a poor decision because it could spark future incidents (if for example the same opportunity was now given to Illaria as it was given to Mike).

In any case, I think that Theo and Hakan have reached the rightful conclusion to not allow such nonsense on this forum. That should put an end to it.

Hi Mike! :D

(I am writing the following because I feel I wanna "defend" myself against the said above..)

As I have told again, I ADVERTISED NOTHING.

Athina and mr.Georgios asked where all the members were and all I did was to tell them... I just answered their question...

And about the "many other things", I don't think there are out there other reasons for being banned except of your obsession that I was the reason that the G+T forumers went away because of ME!!!!!!!! :damn: :hammer:

I am very honoured if I got such a great power and influence!!!!!! :doubt: :dunno:

Anyway, I was (and some times I still am) a flamer, but not more than others... Flaming (from time to time, especially when provoked) is not a reason for a permanent ban... is it??

I believe that a factor of my banning was that I was speaking some conspiracy theories (of Dragon, and others) that you were the one that deleted WAFF, but : REMEMBER?? I was one of them that you posted the receipt of the network54 and I was one of the first that confirmed that you had nothing to do with the deletion..

Also, I am no follower to any partiqular forum. I post wherever I find interesting subjects...

And the threads I open are exactly the same in this forum + in Sp.King's forum...

I would post them in WAFF too, but you see, I am banned... In some occasions I would like to post there as the discussion needs help sometimes there, but Nikiforos and others are doing good job there...

Anyway!

So long!!