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Title: Karamanlis wins. LAOS gains. PASOK withers.


Landos - September 17, 2007 05:43 AM (GMT)
The best of all worlds! ;)

D.E.A - September 17, 2007 08:03 AM (GMT)
LAOS in the parliament...This is definetely a sign of the times..

Nikephoros - September 18, 2007 10:39 PM (GMT)
I found this video on Youtube:
Tourkoi vouleftes so Ellhniko koinovoulio

It is a debate of the Turkish minority members of Greece running for Greek parliament. They speak Turkish but there are Greek subtitles.

Some of the things they say are shocking. The fake mufti(probably by this they mean who the numerous Turkish consulates in Thrace working to undermine Greece have nominated for mufti but which the Greek state does not accept) "A Turk can have only another Turk as a friend". "We have to stop supporting the Christians, let us vote for a Turk and who cares if he is worse." Also he says not to give votes to the "giaour"( infidel) candidates to get into Parliament.

That video really shows the sobering reality of Turkish-Greece relations and what provocations we have to deal with at every step from Turkey. Look at the kind Islamic-fascist character Turkey wanted to nominate as mufti and how he incites(while receiving applause) against Greece and Christians.

D.E.A - September 19, 2007 09:16 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (Nikephoros @ Sep 19 2007, 12:39 AM)
I found this video on Youtube:
Tourkoi vouleftes so Ellhniko koinovoulio

It is a debate of the Turkish minority members of Greece running for Greek parliament. They speak Turkish but there are Greek subtitles.

Some of the things they say are shocking. The fake mufti(probably by this they mean who the numerous Turkish consulates in Thrace working to undermine Greece have nominated for mufti but which the Greek state does not accept) "A Turk can have only another Turk as a friend". "We have to stop supporting the Christians, let us vote for a Turk and who cares if he is worse." Also he says not to give votes to the "giaour"( infidel) candidates to get into Parliament.

That video really shows the sobering reality of Turkish-Greece relations and what provocations we have to deal with at every step from Turkey. Look at the kind Islamic-fascist character Turkey wanted to nominate as mufti and how he incites(while receiving applause) against Greece and Christians.

You should outline the very polite and friendly expression the minority journalist used..Oh by the way from some very progessive circles he is considered to be a coolheaded one.....I remember that,that sob triantafilopoulos even had him as one..

Thermopyles - September 21, 2007 01:13 AM (GMT)
Thanks for the link Nikifore, puts reatily in perspective. I don't think Turkey would tolerate Greeks behaving like this in Turkey, and we shouldn't either.

As for the subject, Landos can you link us some articles please? :) Very interested in this whole issue...

Nikephoros - September 22, 2007 09:35 PM (GMT)
In muslim countries existence for minorities is conditional, if you obey the pact of the dhimma you can exist. Literally that is how it is. Modern muslim nations like Turkey are forced to pretend they are secular and wish to integrate into the Western world. But the deeper you delve, the more you realize how much they hide and how they refuse to change. To this day muslim nations think the minorities exist on a conditional basis and their actions belie this. So a Greek or any other non-muslim minority could never afford to behave as bellicose as the muslim minorities do in countries such as Greece. There is no "human rights" to protect minorities in muslim nations.

The famous saying of the fascist Turkish nationalism: "The only friend of a Turk is a Turk"(which was exposed in this debate) has direct antecedents in the Koran.

Specially this verse:
QUOTE

Chapter 3 Surah 118
YUSUFALI: O ye who believe! Take not into your intimacy those outside your ranks: They will not fail to corrupt you. They only desire your ruin: Rank hatred has already appeared from their mouths: What their hearts conceal is far worse. We have made plain to you the Signs, if ye have wisdom.
PICKTHAL: O ye who believe! Take not for intimates others than your own folk, who would spare no pains to ruin you; they love to hamper you. Hatred is revealed by (the utterance of) their mouths, but that which their breasts hide is greater. We have made plain for you the revelations if ye will understand.


Similarily to what the Turks in that debate said about not taking non-Turks as friends, the above verse warns muslims not to be friends with non-believers.

Landos - September 23, 2007 04:47 AM (GMT)
"The only friend of a Turk is a Turk"

Fine, let him move to Turkey where he can be among many friends. :applause:

D.E.A - September 23, 2007 07:20 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (Landos @ Sep 23 2007, 06:47 AM)
"The only friend of a Turk is a Turk"

Fine, let him move to Turkey where he can be among many friends. :applause:

Nope,He wont do that because he knows he'll miss many of the things his takes for granted here :)




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