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Title: Turkey blocks Dalaras concert.
Description: Patriarchate event cancelled.


Landos - July 16, 2007 03:10 AM (GMT)
Once again, the regime in Ankara shows her true face. This week, the Patriarchate was hosting its second annual international gathering of Orthodox Youth worldwide-with a commendable spriritual and social program. The event was to be wrapped up with a concert by the eminent George Dalaras and a concert of Byzantine Music at Constantinople's Rumeli Hisari open castle. Although all permits had been secured and permission had been granted weeks in advance, at the last minute the regime pulled the permits under the excuse that Dalaras had in the past "spoken against the regime" (if you consider speaking truth to the world an offense against the state!) or "had not submitted his visa papers on time" (obviously refuted by Dalaras with written evidence!).

The concerted effort against the Patriarchate, Greece and Dalaras was soon evident. Demonstrations against the Patriarchate erupted around Constantinople and the press published rabid anti-Patriarchate and anti-Dalaras articles and Op-Eds. (where have we seen this tactic before in the Turk media? Answer: 1955)

This is yet another nail in the coffin for the opinions or the wishful thinking by some elements of Greek-America and the Archdiocese that the regime in Ankara is a friend of the Patriarchate and that we should bow before the Generals and pashas.

Below, I append some primary references FYI. They are in the glorious language of the Turk.

Also of note is today's open letter from the Patriarch. It is a must read.

There can be no room in the USA for Greek-Americans or the Orthodox Church appeasing the regime in Ankara here in the USA. It is an act against our Patriarch, an act against the Mother Church, an act against Christianity and an act against truth, justice and the rule of law.



http://www.radikal.com.tr/haber.php?habern...arih=15/07/2007

http://www.hurriyet.com.tr/gundem/6895481.asp?gid=48

http://www.hurriyet.com.tr/yazarlar/688317...azarid=5&gid=61

http://www.sabah.com.tr/haber,265804CE6C5E...E7F92E59FA.html

http://www.yenisafak.com.tr/gundem/?t=15.0...konserine/iptal


KOKORO - July 17, 2007 02:22 PM (GMT)

As i remeber we still have Turkish flag in İstanbul ?

and if the organization sents the papers 2 days ago to mayor ofice of course he cant sing.

and also here in the newspaper its write that he is in the comite of abdullah öcalan helpers. ! terorist lovers ! in greece. ! ( first time i hear it)

so he cant sing in İstanbul .
May be in the future Atina mayor lets muslim turkish boys to sing arabic songs in Acropol ! and 2000 fundemental young muslim kids to watch them .

then we do it to !!.

Turkey isnt invaded so ! like every body mr barteleomus sons tourism company must obey the rules of this country !.

if a turkish singer want to sing in the castle he must take permition 2 moths ago !! like a christian like a jew like an alien.

stay well
Kaan

Landos - July 18, 2007 01:28 AM (GMT)
More repression in Turkey-Right Wing nationalist lawyer sues Patriarch for using the title "Ecumenical". A title by which he is recognized thoughout the rest of the world. Explain this one away. :angry:





http://www.ntv.com.tr/news/414404.asp

and in English:

Patriarchate faces threat over ‘ecumenical’ title
(Zaman)

An ancient grudge over baptism certificates, a far-right wing lawyer
with a mind to make trouble and a popular Greek crooner with a
reputation for speaking his mind have all conspired to create legal
misery for İstanbul's 2000-year-old "Ecumenical Patriarchate."

The result is that Metropolitans of the Phanar-based church are now
under police protection.

The troubles stem from a high appeal court (Yargıtay) decision that
questions the right of the Greek Orthodox in Turkey to refer to itself
as "Ecumenical" -- a title which confers the Istanbul-based church to be
the first among equals of the over 250 million adherents of Orthodox
Christianity -- a position enjoyed by the patriarch since the split with
Rome in 1054.

The decision comes as part of a ruling that allowed the patriarch to
defrock a Bulgarian priest who rebelled over the patriarchate's
insistence on issuing baptismal documents in Greek rather than
Bulgarian. This has now led Bujidar Cipof, a member of the Bulgarian
Orthodox Church council, to petition the Beyoğlu, Istanbul state
prosecutor to pursue the patriarch on charges of "malfeasance of
religious services."

A spokesman for the Fener Patriarchate said it was bound by court
decision, but that ecumenical was not a legal title but one sanctioned
by historical usage and religious custom. “The whole world knows us as
the ‘Ecumenical Patriarchate.’ In modern Turkey the state would not
interfere in religious practice.”

This is not a view shared by Mr. Cipof. “Patriarch Bartolomeos is not
some remnant from the Middle Ages. He should not forget that his title
deed is given by the Turkish Republic under the Lausanne Treaty.” Nor is
Mr. Cipof the only one on the legal warpath. Kemal Kerinçsız, an
ultra-nationalist lawyer, has also applied to the public prosecutor to
stop the patriarch from convening a synod with metropolitans from other
autocephalous (foreign national) Orthodox Churches.

Mr. Kerinçsiz is better known for the cases he helped instigate against
Nobel-winning author Orhan Pamuk and assassinated Armenian newspaper
editor Hrant Dink for insulting Turkishness. The result of the current
action is that metropolitans of the Orthodox Church have now been
assigned police guard by the İstanbul Governor’s Office, according to
the lawyer for the Patriarchate, Kezban Hatemi.

Ms. Hatemi said so far the prosecutors’ office had not requested
statements and she denied the Patriarchate had any case to answer. “This
is not legal code but religious law and is not something the state
authorities in a secular country should be concerned with,” she said.

Even so, that same Governor’s Office banned at the very last minute a
pop concert that the Patriarchate had arranged last Sunday to celebrate
a youth conference. The performance at İstanbul’s Rumeli Hisarı castle
amphitheater featured the popular Greek singer George Dalaras. In a
column in Hürriyet newspaper, right-wing columnist Emin Çölaşan accused
the Ministry of Culture of being at the beck and call of the
Patriarchate for allowing one of their premises to be used by a man who
had been an outspoken critic of Turkey over Cyprus and the PKK.

“The cancellation was a big disappointment, but they do things like
this. We are used to it,” said Paul Gigas, a lay volunteer at the
Patriarchate.

18.07.2007
ANDREW FINKEL İSTANBUL
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Lord - July 20, 2007 08:25 PM (GMT)
Isnt it ridicioulos...
That the middle Turk citizen..cant even accept...that the so called Mr,Bartolomeus...
IS THE ECUMENICAL PATRIARCH of nearly 300 mil...christian Orthodox...?

and calling Dallaras a terorist lover...is ridicioulos..
he is allways the first who screams like a bitch for friendship among Greeks and Turks... :lol:

i say only...Anasfaleia ton Tourkon....(please somebody translate )


2 weeks ago in Thessaloniki in the monestery Lazariston A TURKISH SINGER HAD A CONCERT (succesfull one)
why of the sudden no Dallaras in Istanbul?

D.E.A - July 20, 2007 11:57 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (Lord @ Jul 20 2007, 10:25 PM)


i say only...Turkish insecurity....

They did bless the rouvas and the Turk concert at the green line though....

KOKORO - July 21, 2007 06:06 AM (GMT)
here islamist news papers say lost of bad things about him.
one of the reason is most of the islamist organizations wanted to give concert in the castle and goverment didnt let them.
now
when muslims cant sing there how could a greek singer sing ??
their problem is this.
so culture minister is a sleepy religious beauty !

and also the organization company owner is called efes tour owned by (Mr Barteleomus son ). realy gave the paper late .
and when things come together
such news like this in the papaers.


christians can sing muslims cant !
EU controls our culture minister. ( continue slleping)
Dalaras gave concert in south cyprus and said Turkey is a invator !

dalaras loves abdullah öcalan.....
dalaras hates muslims ...



such thing in right wing new papers.
normal news papers was it was a small news.
and in istanbul has more than 30 place to give concert
Why special place which the muslim organizations try to make concert for the last 2 years and cant ??

so problem comes out.

Lord - July 21, 2007 01:20 PM (GMT)
Thank you for clearing it up Kaan...
now i can understand...

but wait in some days...our side will bitch and scream how anti-greek the Turks are....ahhahahahha :lol:
They will make the fly to a elephant...

KOKORO - July 23, 2007 06:03 AM (GMT)
i can understand because in your side it seems like turks didnt let a greek singer to sing in bosforos.

here christians invading istanbul and goverment lets them do it.

media manupilates alot. ;)

Lord - July 23, 2007 01:22 PM (GMT)
I can tell you they started bitching abouted allready here...

aka...how could this Turkish GoV...NOT allowed a singer like Dalaras (which frankly said IAM not a fan of hem..but anyway)
and the conspirecy goes on...you know...

Thermopyles - July 24, 2007 09:02 PM (GMT)
QUOTE
i say only...Anasfaleia ton Tourkon....(please somebody translate
Turkish insecurity
+1 NTM control complex and always having to get a better deal IMHO...


QUOTE
high appeal court (Yargıtay) decision that
questions the right of the Greek Orthodox in Turkey to refer to itself
as "Ecumenical"


:damn:

D.E.A - July 27, 2007 11:32 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (KOKORO @ Jul 17 2007, 04:22 PM)

Turkey isnt invaded so ! like every body mr barteleomus sons tourism company must obey the rules of this country !.

Can you please clarify this statement dear kokoro?

KOKORO - July 28, 2007 07:01 AM (GMT)


the company called efes is mr Bateleomus son s company !.

and as the news papers write he has also shares in other travel companies who make tours to Turkey for religious tours.

so if you travel with his sons tour you can have more chance of seeing Patrik + patrikhane.
if you travel with other company you can see only patrikhane ! ;)

Efes Opus Tur'un owner Strato istrati Dolcinyadis.( son in law) quite a rich guy in istanbul ;)

and basic reason is if you want to give concert there you have to take permition from 2 moths ago !
if you are a islamist or a right wing organization or a left wing organization . you cant . only pop , rock ,clasic music concerts are made there.

and the efes tur wanted to give concert there and didnt take permitions form the city autorties. and said to be treaten the city municipals to creat a scandal betwwen Turkey and EU. ( i dont know this true or not ). becasue now adays nobody gives shit to EU any more.

business continues.

Landos - August 3, 2007 08:29 AM (GMT)
Bartholomew has a son? I didn't think the Greek Orthodox top leadership were allowed to marry? Only the Priests? Our Bishop can't be married, but he does have a girlfriend (everybody knows about this, but they don't mind. Better be a normal man liking women than like the Catholic Priests liking boys!)

By the way, I've been in Japan on business the last two weeks, hence my absence to the board. But I'll be flying back tomorrow! That typhoon was a big bust down in Kyoto today. Missed us entirely, hardly got windy with a little rain. But I guess it was worse down south.

KOKORO - August 4, 2007 04:33 AM (GMT)
son in law bro ;)

Thermopyles - August 4, 2007 08:35 AM (GMT)
QUOTE
By the way, I've been in Japan on business the last two weeks, hence my absence to the board. But I'll be flying back tomorrow!


Cool, you must tell us some stories about how it is in japan! How are the girls? do they have good "escort services" or "happy endings"? :D

Last time I was there in '04, I was amazed to see that Jap girls are now growing sexy asses and jucy breasts! :call: :horror:

Yes, off topic, but couldn't help myself! :rolleyes: :lol:




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