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Greece cancels the purchase of 415 Marder 1A3

maybe because there is some russian-Love in the air...?
BMP3 ;) ...?

But can the BMP interface with the Leo's? Or erieye? But on paper, yes, better new BMP-3 than used Madrers. But without info they are not better IMO.

I hope they no what their doing we dont have enought APCs in stock.

And the ones we do have are all crap.We donated 150 to irak

We need APCs urgently.

@Thermopules

Yes they can...
lets not forgett the enormous powerfull weaponry a BMP3 has...
Electronics etc etc (French made) is posiible to be updated...
also protection kits...
The russians speak about a co-production...(if the number is high)
Its a very good oppurtunity IMHO
also we haid the oppurtunity to test the vehicle....(in cyprus) and there they are enthousiastic about the performence...

now somebody can say....

yes but in chechnia ...they had bad results...

therefore i answer ...
and which excactly APC...has better performance inside a warzone (city) ?

This could be the near future...









and with a Kornet mounted...

also Pantzir..



Yperypsomeni kataskevi...


ÂÌÑ-3KSH command and communication vehicle



and finally the cypriot BMP3...


the possibilitys of variations of the vehicle ...are enormous...
the russians...give us every possible knowhow...for further development...
therefore a future BMP3 GR...could be created.
The solution to this prob...is clearly political...

it is also fully ambphibious ..even with ERA protection...




Pics are taken from various sorces on the NET...and various members...
and finally some questions and answers on the APC capabilitys...from various members taken from here
http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/showthread.php?t=114515

[QUOTE]"... the Russians started the Infantry Fighting Vehicle ball rolling with the BMP-1 circa 1970. The BMP-1 caused the west to rethink mechanized infantry. The response was the Bradley, Marder, Warrier class. The west went with heavier armor protection and decided that a 20/25/30mm autocannon was a better way to go, especially after the poor performance of the BMP-1's 73mm gun. The performance of the BMP-1 in the 1973 Arab-Israeli War was not good, it was a death trap. The West still continued develoiping their IFVs as they felt the concept was valid. The Russians saw the performace of the 73mm and AT-3 Sagger were below expectations, so they upgraded to the BMP-2 with a nice 30mm and AT-5 Spandrel combo. The next real test for the BMP came in Cechnya and it wasn't pretty. The reaction is the BMP-3, it retains the the nice 30mm, but adds the cannon. The cannon gives more firepower, especially in urban terrain, it also doubles as the through-the-barrel TTB ATGM launcher so overall a better use of space. They added the forward firing PKs for additional anti-personnel protection as it was light infantry tank killer teams with RPGs that killed so many BMP-2s. So the BMP-3 is newer than the Bradley/Marder/Warrior class, and with the East-West dynamic different, the West isn't rushing out to counter the BMP-3 threat per se.
Ultimately you can't have your cake and eat it too. There is a trade off in every vehicle design, they have crammed a lot in there - 3x PKM, 1 x 30mm (with ammo storage and feed mechanism), 1 x 85mm cannon (also with ammo storage and auto-loader) - 3 man crew + infantry squad and their gear. My guess is that I wouldn't want to be in there when it gets hit..."

Ánswer:

"Very impressive machine and overall the best IFV on the market today
Advantages over other IFVs
-Firepower (by far)
-Mobility
It is light, fast, nimble and amphibious
Once CV90, Bradley come across any creek, river, lake, destroyed bridge and such - they have to wait for the engineers and play target, BMP doesn't even have to slow down...
Also BMP 3 can be propelled by anything and everything from jet fuel to diesel, what about the rest of IFVs?
- Crew protection
Modern day RPGs, as was demonstrated in Iraq, can defeat even the Chobham armour, so the trick is avoiding getting hit altogether. Arena & Shtora give BMP 3 that chance while no other IFV offers anything similar
- Reliability
Saudi Arabia has both Bradley and BMP 3 (about 420 of them) and the latter are proven to be far more reliable.
- NBC protection equipment allows BMP 3 crew to operate in the contaminated zone for 2 days without leaving the vehicle (apparantely there is some kind of toilet device present)
It was designed for offense, fast and brutal and that what it does better than any other IFV today."

2 Answer:

"It is always a trade off. If you try to do both you will fail. Western designers gave up on swimming with the justification that IFVs work with MBTs and MBTs aren't going to swim easily so go ahead a beef up the protection. The Israeli APCs are the extrem end of the spectrum, a full MBT chassis, but no full turret as the purpose is to get infantrymen into the fight in one piece.
Personally, it is a tough call, I like all the firepower, but I want to be able to take a hit, too".

The treads look to exposed-very easy to get something stuck in them or take a hit there. Other than that, if the electronics can interface, I say go 100%. They are overall the best AIFV out there. I hope they dont store the fuel in the back doors anymore! :damn:

PS. I thought the barrel was 100mm, not 85?!?

This pic you loaded...
Is actually a BMP3...and not the BMP3F(amphibious) version...
The Arabs made this tests....with there BMP3...
which in my eyes...are still good enough...(condiering that this BMP3 version isnt the fuilly Amphibious like the F one...

:damn: :bawl:

Does anyone know the cancellation reason of the Marder deal?

To be honnest a big surprize since Greece is indeed in urgent need of at least interim APC's