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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5FDQN_boeZU


this is a video of comado school in isparta normal comado school for soldiers and oficers.
every year nearly 12 000 personel got trained there for 3 moths or 5 moths courses

most tough thing is for phsical condition and courage training there is a 127 difrent obstacle course .

every week all teams must pass it 3 times. nearly 9 km long 127 diffrent obstacle .
this school is for ground forces.
the others are foca for naval forces ( levets)
and kayseri for paratrophers.!
and ankara for special forces.
Kaan

KOKORO, it is aprox. 15 km long, obstacles include water ones too. There are obstacles which you have to finisg while you are in and under water.

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i heard the same thing ;) but sounded to long and ask my friend he said every obstacle has 50 meters and 100 meters wide so !! ý made a luck gues B)

becasue our obstacle course had 20 obstacles and ýt was only 400 meters long!!
and ý never made the irish table!

Isparta - sounds like Sparta... A Turkish city, no (forgive my cluelesness)? does anyone have any pics of this monster (by connection is too slow to see the vid :unsure: ) ? Are there any other kinds of training grounds there?

Sounds like I'd have to be 21 again to make it through! :lol: :damn:

In fact the school is in Egridir, a town close to Isparta. The school is a big one, it graduates aprox. 30.000 soldiers every year, 5.000 of which are carrier officers and NCO's and rest are conscripts. There are also foreign soldiers trainned in the school from Checz Republic, Germany, England, Pakistan, some Turkic Repuclics, Bosna Herzigova, Albania etc... A few thousands in number.

From this year on there will be only NCO's, CO'S and Specialists in the commando brigades, meaning that they will all be professionals. Conscripts will not be able to be requrited as commandoes anymore. The training in the school is massive and also houses the world'd longest trainning tower. An avarage trainning last 90 days for conscripts and 155 days for profesionals. There are also advanced commando trainning which lasts for 9 months. The soldiers graduated from the school becomes infantry commando and sent to the commando brigades and internal security brigades. They are not special forces, the special forces do train in some other places.

The name Isparta has no relation with Sparta by the way. It is famous with its roses and giving birth to Suleyman Demirel ;)

yes isparta sparta . there was a very nice novel called fire gates or hot gates !!
very nýce transýlatýon only one hugee mýstake they transýlated spartans as ýspartans. so all the beauty of the book destroyed.
the transýlator learned perfect englýsh but un fortunately no culture and hýstory knowledge!

Harsh training...great facilitie...
we have similar places...but not for so many numbers of man...Rentina-Pevko-Skaramanga/Elevsina

anyway as i said...Turks train realistic and harsh...They have to...its a big country they have to watch...
The biggest mistake is to underestimate them...

and a little test for you gents...
which are the greeks and which are the turks...lol

OK lord, for your test lets see... running into a bunker full of tear gas... that would be us! I' have to say botto pic is Greece! :D


In Greece, consripts can still be SF. I think its good, and it should stay like that. Some people love to be SF, but not for carrer. That is what elite units are for... These people bring alot of enthusiasm for the SF numbers. Even though they leave fast, they will always be trained. In 20-40 days they can be good as new, so you always have a pool of people you can call on and get them going fast.

To underestimate your opponent is about the dumbest thing you can ever do... We are both about the best warriors on the planet. But we havent practiced in 50 yrs, while Turkey is sparring for 15... That means we have to train very hard to be ready. The moral and experience will come very fast, that is not the problem, but the troops must be ready so that thier actions become instinct.

But as I hear, the opposite is being done here, everyone is jerking-off, and only the pros are doing thier job... How wrong and unfortionate... I wonder why?

First Turkish SAT, second Greece. In Turkey, the trainning period for Special Forces lasts for 2,5 years, and you can not train a conscript for such a long time. That is why only the CO's and NCO's are requirited. And the reason commando brigades to go profesional is to aquire the continuation of the experienced soldiers fighting the terrorist organisation. Conscripts stay in the army for 15 months and till get the experience they finish their services. That is why they are becoming profesional.

Both Gents are right...10 points to each ...lol about the pics...

Now ...i dont know about the rest army....but in units...for excamble of the B'Corps...(Rapid reaction force) this is not true...they are runnning like hell..no jerking of...thats for shure...
Units which are at the borders also...
about units which are basedneas citys or in the deep mainland...its normal..to jerk from time to time..(in every army on the world)

@Baris
Thats why since 1999 the OYK teams ( Sat) dont select conscripts anymore..)
also Z mak (amphibious rangers) and opf corse the ETA units (similar to Bordo bereli)
In a few years....there are plans for the whole SF to be professional carrieri soldiers only...
And this is right in my eyes...(The time which the army needs to train a man...seriously) its far more than 15 months...so its only normal that the 15 or 18 months....which you need to serve...arent a economical win win situation for anyone...
at the time...you are an SF...you have to leave...and its not worthy for the army...
so they prefer professionals...

Well said. Thermopyles.
Experience can play a huge role in the war I believe.
But It does not mean that Turks would underestimate the Greek Armed Forces. On the contrary they are being taken very seriously.
In addition I should remind everyone that professional Greek soldiers with their newer equipments would be a formidable challenge even for the Turkish lions in the photos.
These photos made me proud again. I would be happier however, if those soldiers were training with M-4's than their current G-3's.

But as regards the conscripts going SF or at least elite forces; In Turkey commandoes are not regarded as SF, they are elite soldiers. Up to now they were open to conscripts but after 2009 it will not be the case anymore. So even the the Elite soldiers of T. Arm. Forces shall be pros.
This is a good step in enhancing the effectiveness of our Forces.
But I feel there must be some ways left open for those "willing" and "able" who want to learn soldiering at its best. I have not served yet. I would be delighted to join the Turkish Marines or UDT's (SAS that is). 10 years ago it was still possible to join the SAS if you possessed the right skills, but not SAT though. Now SAS is out of reach as well :( Marines are regarded as Elite so I wonder if they will all go pro after 2009 like the Mountain Commandoes.

very right Der Krieger...
Changes in most NATO armys (structure ect) are very similar...

The differents is...that Turkey...has a big number of man that can be used...
Therefore IMHO...the greek side..or every side who ones to deal with Turkey has to be realistic ( in training) and serious in weapponry-procurements...
Therefore the only possible opponent to Turkey in the whole region...(around Turkeys Borders...) Remains Greece...in my opinion...

Also

Dont worry...they do the right thing to train them with a nearly 5 kg riffle 7.62mm) and not with a 2-3 kg M16 ...
You have to thing that they also carry the ammo of the g3...which is much heavier...
also g3...are riffles that the Turkish Army has in masses....so no prob...if they are handled harshly..(if you know what i mean...?)

Darkreiger, no conscripts has ever requirited as SAS or SAT in the history of Turkish Naval Forces. There were reserve officers as divers but they were not qualified as SAS or SAT. And no worries, the conditions in infantry brigades are quite harsh, not like Egridir but if you go to Tuzla or Bilecik, you will receive good trainning either phsycal or military.

By the way it is good to be around again here, and I am glad to see you Lord here be cause I have a lot to learn about being an SF from an expert.

@Baris
Its good to see you again around...
You are well informed allready... ;)

Tesheker

Thats my experience with it as well Lord, but I've heard different recenty. DEA, can you help? I know in 2002 my mate that was serving was a full-time bar tender, and he was supposedly in the navy!! :drink2: :damn: My cousin is now finishing up is tour at diavivasis in Rodes. I hope I can gat a good idea when he's back...

But 296 TE and 265 TE being the first defences on Lesvos, we got quite good and continuous training. Good enough to have confidence in our actions/abilities...

The problem here is that you can not expect every army unit to be a fightter to the bone. The Army (or in this case the navy) do need bar-tenders too. But, what is important is the readiness situations of your front line units. Such as infantry brigades, mechanized brigades. But you can not also expect them to be trainned as commandoes or elite forces like the Marines. What I understand from the trainning level of those units is the ability of using their weaponary to the fullest and knowing and conducting the necessary tactics. An infantry should know the urban fighting, should know how to conduct a flank attack or a tanker should know how to give fire support to the advancing infantry or how to ambush another armoured unit etc... But, you should not expect them to conduct an operation behind the enemy lines or sneak an ambush highway columns or mountain warfare or airborne operations. These are the job for some certain units. And you can not expect a supply sergeant to be thin, if you know what I mean :D These are the facts of the army!

I know people served with SAS though they were not SAS members per se. They were guys with good physical attributs and CMAS or else certificates.
EDIT: Guys I referred to were reserve oficers BTW. Baris you seem to be very knowledgeable in these stuffs. What role do reserve officers play as divers? Can you pls enlighten me a bit? Tkx.

:lol: :lol:

i was a suply sergant and fat !!!

but un fortunatly lost 23 kg in 4 moths !!!!

we had the equipment enoughf for a huge nato war with russia but no food to eat !!!! :damn:
soooo

i said well i m here lets run and make sport .
it was a good gym for me!!

@Baris

+1 100%

@ Kokkoro :hahaha: That's great! :roflmao:


@ Baris:

I should be more clear: He was working full time for my best mates night club!! 4-5nights a week! Getting drunk, etc. I can't possibly understand how he did it! But aparently it is not so uncommon :doubt: DEA, has some knowledge - where the fack are you bro?? :call:

I'm by no means saying that all units should know all positions. I'm saying that even in 15-18 months you can learn good marine skills or airbourne skills. In 12 months we became good infantry troops with all the abilities you discribe plus amphibous landing and beach prep and defence. I know 12-18 monthers who were competent paratroopers, LOK and marines. They want to be there and they can get alot of skills in this time and will always be trained. Good reserves. This is what I can SF - or Special-ized Forces. Elete Forces - the highest group - is for full time.

For TU with more menpower it makes sence. For us that have 1/7th we need to accept every enthousiastic person and let them be as good as they can. It may be more expensive, but that is the way we must go anyway...

Derkrieger, most of them used to serve as simple divers. They used to do some rescue jobs and even some of them served as diving instructors. Nothing more.

Thermopyles, I got it al wrong then. This guy was hell of a lucky soldier :rolleyes:

I have to add to Baris writting...
That also in the Greek Army exists Divers..(mostly form the mechanical corps-Bridge buildings etc...also a number of the officers or carrier soldiers have divers expiriance)
They have been in the school of diving from the OYK...but they arent OYK of corse...
so you can differ them from the badge they have iin there chest easyly,,,,

Hello everyone once again!
Well in my opinion the greek armed forces(wouldnt know of the opposite) are more for the staring..You know parades,excericises blah blah.I know many from our side will dissagree.I will just mention something from my time.As an officer in reserve i was sent to a small island as the local commader :horror:
The captain whom i was sent to replace showed me everything i needed to know in any case.The baddy thing was that i was supposed to hold 3 beaches with my men in plain sight....There are some bunkers around the beaches but they were soo good that even a light AT gun could take them out..I must admitt i felt awfull and the captain noticed it,he then asked me about my thoughts and i told him that alond with the "trenches" we should start digging our tombs too...As an SF officer in reserve in the Greek army i cant say i am satisfied with our army..When you then check infantry then you want to put a bullet in your head so that no one else does...The training is from minimal to zero..I mean you can find conscripts that after 5 mins of loose running are half dead.....Instructors are not meant to physically or mentally push any soldier even during training...I almost got court martialed because i "pushed" some of them(20)..As far as the bordeline army...Ooook i think most in here know more :D Our politicians want an army, model ready for the cat walk,then this thing goes to generals etc etc etc..As a result serving in Greek army is nothing more than a parody of an army...I'm not going to go on with this conversation.Oh i forgot to menion our uber super duper professional beer drinking soldiers....Oh man i am just soo dissappointed..

yes indeed...
no one will in here...diasagree with you...
that in a western democratic european country like greece....
what comes around goes around...
which means...
if you look for excamble in similar armys like the bundeswehr...you will find excactly the same storys and behaviour...
for shure you gona say...yeah but we arent in north europe...

therefore i want to tell you only one thing...
Units of carrier soldiers work fine...across with units of the B corps...
in generall the way of training is good -excellent ...considering the way that today jouth are thinking and acting (if you know what i mean...)

and finaly....

excactly the same way was mussolini thinking when he thought about greeks...
he thought ...ok...this ouzo drinkers arent soldiers...they are chaotic..they are unorganized...blah blah...
but all of us knows what happenend in the end.....
proffesionall units like the Parachuters and the SS OF THE gERMAN WEHRMACHT HAID VERY VERY BAD experiance with our greek conscripts...lol ;)


resume...
If its time to go to war i am convinced....that the greek man and woman will be ready ....

One last comment.
You tend to forget one major factor.
At that time Greece went through 1897,1st balkan,2nd balkan,crimean and asia minor wars...There were men that spent more than 10 years in a row fighting somewhere..At our times the only place where we fight is in front of the damn pc screen!!

Its in our DNA ...DONTworry if needed we are ready...IMO ;)