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Title: IT HAS BEGUN! Turkiye Enters Iraq!


Thermopyles - June 7, 2007 01:39 AM (GMT)
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Turkish troops crossed into northern Iraq early Wednesday to chase Kurdish guerrillas who attack Turkey from bases there, Turkish security officials said. One official said the troops had returned to their bases by the end of the day, but Turkey's foreign minister denied its troops had ever entered Iraq.

The senior security officials, speaking on condition of anonymity because they were not authorized to speak to the media, characterized the raid as a "hot pursuit" raid that was limited in scope. They told The Associated Press it did not constitute the kind of large incursion that Turkish leaders have been discussing in recent weeks.

One official said several thousand troops went less than two miles inside Iraq and were still there in late afternoon. "It is a hot pursuit, not an incursion," one official said.

Another official said by telephone it was "not a major offensive and the number of troops is not in the tens of thousands." He also said the Turkish troops went into a remote, mountainous area.

A third official, based in the border region, said 600 commandos entered Iraq and were backed up by several thousand troops along the border. He said the commandos raided Iraqi territory across from the Turkish border town of Cukurca before dawn after rebels opened fire from Iraqi soil on Turkish patrols.

The official said the commandos returned to their bases in Turkey later in the day. There was no immediate explanation for the conflicting accounts of the officials.

All three officials are based in southeast Turkey, where the military has been battling separatist Kurdish rebels since they took up arms in 1984.

The officials stood by their statements despite denials from Turkish and Iraqi officials.

The White House said there has been "no new activity" in northern Iraq to justify the press reports. Gordon Johndroe, a spokesman for the White House's National Security Council, said that U.S. officials in the region have confirmed that the activity is a continuation of Turkey's years-long campaign against guerrillas of Kurdistan Workers' Party, or PKK.

"The Turkish government reports no new incursions into northern Iraq," Johndroe said. "U.S. officials on the ground confirm no new activity."

Johndroe said Washington remains "concerned about the PKK and the use of Iraq as a safe haven."

"We have no indications or no reports that the Turks have conducted a cross-border operation into Iraq," said Brig. Gen. Perry Wiggins, deputy director of operations for the Joint Chiefs of Staff.

Lt. Col. Christopher Garver, a military spokesman in Baghdad, said he could not confirm any Turkish troops were in Iraq, but "we are looking into it and obviously we are very concerned."

The last major Turkish incursion into northern Iraq was in 1997, when about 50,000 troops were sent to the region.

The officials who gave the accounts of the raid Wednesday are involved in anti-rebel operations. They did not disclose whether they participated in the planning of Wednesday's operation.

Two of the officials said any confrontation with Iraqi Kurdish groups, who have warned against a Turkish incursion, could trigger a larger cross-border operation. The Turkish military has asked the government in Ankara to approve such an incursion, but the government has not given formal approval.

Several military officials at the Pentagon said they have seen nothing Wednesday that would confirm the reports of Turkish troops crossing the border into Iraq.

One military official said that small numbers of Turkish forces periodically move in and out of Iraq doing counterinsurgency operations, but not thousands at one time. The officials requested anonymity because of the sensitivity of the information.

It's nothing new, said Soner Cagaptay, a senior fellow and director of the Turkish Research Program at the Washington Institute for Near East Policy.

"It's just another episode of this boomerang effect where the PKK launches an attack from northern Iraq into Turkey, kills some Turks, escapes back into northern Iraq and Turkey send its troops after PKK inside northern Iraq," Cagaptay told CBS Radio News.

While the U.S. has about 16,500 troops in northern Iraq, most are not right along the border. Many are part of training teams working with Iraqi border patrols.

Turkey's private NTV television quoted Foreign Minister Abdullah Gul as saying reports of a cross-border operation were false.

"There is no such thing, no entry to another country. If such a thing happens, then we would announce it," Gul said. "We are in a war with terror, we will do whatever is necessary to fight terrorism."

An official at military headquarters in Ankara declined to confirm or deny the report that Turkish troops had entered Iraq.

Earlier Wednesday, reports of an incursion circulated on some media outlets, including Turkey's private Cihan news agency.

Turkish troops have staged so-called "hot pursuits" into northern Iraq in the past, usually after citing reports of attacks against Turkish soldiers in the border region. They have sometimes shelled suspected rebel positions across the border.

Turkish authorities rarely acknowledge such military operations, which were more frequent before the U.S.-led invasion of Iraq in 2003.

The Turkish military said rebels across the border in Iraq opened fire Wednesday on a Turkish military outpost in the province of Hakkari, which borders both Iraq and Iran. It said there were no casualties.

Turkey has been building up its military forces on the Iraqi border recently, amid debate among political and military leaders about whether to attack PKK rebels.

Iraqi Foreign Minister Hoshyar Zebari said the government has not seen any major operations along the border.

"There has been intermittent shelling, for instance, attacks, certain violations, minor violations on the border which we have documented and reported back to the Turkish side, but honestly we haven't seen any major operations along the border," Zebari told The Associated Press in a telephone interview.

"We are aware of this Turkish troops buildup on the border, and the Iraqi government position has been that we will not accept or tolerate any military incursion into Iraqi territories," he said.

Col. Hussein Rashid, a top official with the Iraqi border guards, dismissed the report of a Turkish raid.

"Not even a single Turkish soldier has entered Iraqi territory," he said by telephone from his post near the border with Turkey, although he pointed out that Turkish troops have been operating very close to the border as part of a recent buildup. "I have made contacts with many border posts and none report any incident."

During major incursions in the 1990s, fighting occurred on a front stretching more than 100 miles, mostly in rugged terrain where communications were difficult and the Turkish Kurds were already entrenched in the mountains.

Thermopyles - June 7, 2007 01:43 AM (GMT)
Alot of denial and contradictions... hard to believe "not a single soldier has entered Iraq". The US are not eager to make this announcement. The next few weeks should be very interesting...

D.E.A - June 7, 2007 04:13 AM (GMT)
There's no way Turkey going against US and vice versa..Most probably Turkey will stop.

Why do i get the feeling that the poor kurds will once again pay the price?... :(

KOKORO - June 7, 2007 08:21 AM (GMT)
now we didnt enter ??

one of the high generals visit a army barack near the iraq border . so he got protected from air with chopers and few tanks. so kurdish viligers think turkish army passed the border. !! also near the border after the killing of seven soldiers . air raids is done to a pkk group killing of 60 terorısts. and f 16 s are used . may be this lots of movement make the AP reporter think we started the operation.

also 1 week ago a unit is performed all consited of oficers specialists and sergants total of 3000 soldiers.

may be we are in north iraq and number is limited so not to cause problem 3 side of the problem is denying it.
Kaan :blink:

this place is become a cacık ( cacıkıii)


Thermopyles - June 7, 2007 05:26 PM (GMT)
Well then who entered?? The TuAF ghosts? :doubt: I don'r buy the story about the general and the mistake about the AP reporter... Probably was a short limited incursion that the US and TU said never happened, so therefore "it never happened" :wall:

One thing for sure, if the Kurds want, they can make HUGE trouble for the US. So probably the US does not want TuAF inside, only for that rerason, not that they really care. :dunno:

KOKORO - June 9, 2007 06:39 AM (GMT)
i think so to may be we entered do some thing and back . or stıll doıng . in a small scale and nobody has problem with that.

becasue also talabanı would be happy if we hit pkk bacause at the end it is a armed fracton whıch he cant control in theır land .

so we beat pkk under the curtaın and nobody see or hear. who knows ??

kaan

Thermopyles - June 9, 2007 04:42 PM (GMT)
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Diplomatic tensions also rose, with the Iraqi Foreign Ministry summoning the Turkish charge d'affaires and calling for an immediate halt of cross-border shelling into northern Iraq, saying such actions 'undermine confidence between the two nations and negatively affect their friendship.' The statement was the first government confirmation of the shelling.


http://www.topix.net/content/ap/1998212826...106512488903842

Now the Iraqi gov officialy confirms Turkish actions in Iraq...


KOKORO - June 11, 2007 06:02 AM (GMT)
yes they threaten us.
iraq saying stop the bombing imidiaty or ?

and we replied or what ? still no answer?

tensions getting very strong well we will see.

Thermopyles - June 13, 2007 05:40 AM (GMT)
:roflmao: Now that the kurds are scared that the Turks are serious they are declaring a unilateral cease-fire! :lol:

Good job Turkiye!

http://www.topix.net/content/ap/2007/06/re...ire-in-turkey-3

KOKORO - June 13, 2007 04:01 PM (GMT)
we say we dont bomb and dıdnt enter ! but they ask for seasfire ??

we do someting but we dont understand . we will see in the future what had hapeened.

we didnt enter iraq thats for sure with 50 000 soldier but may be like in the past sf probely entered and ataking like pkk atack us. may be civilian targets ? :ph43r:

becasue in öcalan case . we wanted him out of syria and syria denied to sent hım out. and for 2 days north of syria burned ! sf atack to civilian gas stations and govermantel buildings. after 2 days . they sent him away.

and the funny thing is we said sent him away we didnt give him to us. ıf we saıd they would do it. and becasue of lack of İQ external ministry . he has to travel all around the world till the israiles gave him to us.

may be same senario is played again. !
Kaan

Landos - July 1, 2007 06:03 PM (GMT)
We keep on hearing how Turkey "has already enterred Iraq", but it always turns out to be false. :doubt:




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