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http://www.defencenet.gr/defence/index.php...=1008&Itemid=47


Greek defence staff attended a test conducted by Germany's BWB in which two 120mm sabot rounds penetrated the turret of a LEOHEL MBT. Greece bought 171 turrets, with the condition that they could pick any one of those 171, and have it pass a test. The results were not found to be in line with the agreement, and it was requested that the problem be resolved. As of now, Greece has postponed delevery of said turrets.


:damn: :drink2:

There is no problem whatsoever.
We ordered 171 turrets for 170 Leopard-2A6HEL.
Currently we have produced 8 fully completed and assembled tanks, and the Germans are working on their share for the 30 of the 170 in total, having assembled 2-3 including the prototypes for the field tests.

As it was planned, a turret was selected in random and subjected into a series of tests, in order to ensure quality control over the specification.
During those tests 2 120mm shells penetrated the turret on the left side near the sights of the gunner.
Actual type of shell, extend of penetration, and variables of the shots, are yet unknown, which can mean alot on the real magnitude of the problem.
Anyway, this was a scheduled and agreed uppon the contract test as part of the whole deal, so problems found will be repaired and at the end of the day we will be getting a better Leopard-2.
Alreay assembled an completed tanks will not be received by the Greek side, and new turrets will be built to replace those already manifactured.


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Is this part of the deal with KMW?

yes indeed Kinmid is right on that,...i have the same info...till now

Actually,these are good news.The germans will have to deliver the tanks with extra protection.A 120 mm shell-proof turret.Sounds good to me! :lol:

Greek press as usual twisted the whole thing and was talking of tanks which get penetrated....by bullets. :hammer: Good job as always! :rofl:

That would imply either sub-standard manufacturing procedures or sub-standard material. AFAIK METKA manufactures the turrets but most materials are imported. Do you know if KMW actaully blamed the problem on METKA as at least one Greek TV station reported?

METKA manifactures the turrets for the 140 Leopard-2A6HEL that will be built by Greece. The Germans will built the other 30 of the 170 in total.
So we don't really know from which manifacturer the specific turret was.


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Well,from what I've read i have come to the following conclusions:

1.It is not a manufacturing error but a design weakness.ALL Leopard 2 suffer at that point of the turret(not only the Greek Leo2s,but German,Dutch,Swedish,Turkisch..etc)

2.The Greek Army knew already about it and demanded in the contract that the Germans would resolve this problem.In order to ensure this we bought 171 turrets.In order to ''destroy'' one in ballistic tests.The armour was penetrated and Germans have now to go back to the drawing boards in order to resolve the problem.

3.The greek press twisted once again the whole thing.

4.Their turkish collegues went a step further saying that the tank was destroyed during an exercise... :lol:

It's no big secret actually.
Greece is the only country in the world that followed the specific very tight and demanding selection process for its new MBT, and also demanded the most advanced overall testing and quality control, for the specifications.
At the end of the day we WILL be getting the best MBT in the world.


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The fact the problem was identified in a test assures me that controls are in place if we had produced 170 leo2 then came out with bad news of a test then we should be hopping mad.

:tank: :drink:

Do you know what kind of design weakness that is?

AFAIK, the "weakness" is as follows

The turret has to be pierced, in order for the (commanders and/or gunners) scope to be installed. Therefore at that specific point, the turret is structurally weaker than at other points (for example 30 cm away).

The greek Leo2 were supposed to be better protected at that precise point of the turret, but the modifications were not enough (apparently).



Anyone feel free to correct if necessary



PS: AFAIK, the same inherent "weakness" applies more or less to all tank turrets equiped with scopes.

Sooo nicely said... :D

Yup,thats exactly what is making the Armor weaker at that particulary point. :applause:

The weak points are well known.

May I ask on what data was picture #2 based on?

The shaded parts are presented as a monocoque (solid) structure, while, a number of sources indicate that this is actually a boxed (hollow) structure - a combination of composite armour and spaced armour. Besides, it doesn't look fit to have a mantlet half the thickness of the frontal armour as the picture indicates.

Pictures of the real turret.