Although it is early to speak, since in a few days the attack helicopter decission will be taken allow me to give the "Turkish attack helicopter a la Nutuk" in the way I hope she will become.



The "Turkish attack helicopter a la Nutuk" is ofcourse the modified CSH2 Rooivalk

Equiped with:
- a Longbow like MMW radar (Denel is developing a MMW radar)
- the Mokopa (MMW seeker) missile, later the (MMW seeker) Turkish anti tank missile developed by Roketsan
- the Roketsan 2,75" (70mm) laser guided air to ground rockets
- the Denel Helmet mounted queing system
- Turkish mission computer, communications and avionics
- Aselflir 300-T
- Stinger + A-darter air to air missiles
:thumbsup:

If you select CSH2 Rooivalk you will make the best choice. :applause:

It seems that the tender slides on the favour Apache Longobow according to this article though nothing is certain yet and everything under consideration and negotiations

Attack helicopter program facing further delays
Tuesday, October 17, 2006
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Ankara – TDN Defense Desk


Turkey's multibillion-dollar program to procure scores of attack helicopters for the country's Land Forces is drifting into new unknowns as the military command has privately expressed its discontent over two contenders short-listed earlier by the government.

Although the procurement office, the Undersecretariat for the Defense Industry (SSM), had been hoping to conclude the over-10-year-old program at a key meeting today, it will likely postpone a decision due to objections from the end-user -- the military.

The country's top defense procurement panel, the Defense Industry Executive Committee, is scheduled to meet today, but a decision on the attack helicopter program is unlikely to emerge. The committee is chaired by Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan. Its members are Defense Minister Vecdi Gonul, Chief of General Staff Gen. Yasar Buyukanit and the SSM's chief, Murad Bayar.

SSM officials were hoping to select one of the two short-listed manufacturers in September or October, but the military has in private meetings made it clear that it was not content with either solution.

“The attack helicopter program has been dropped from the meeting's agenda due to a major dispute between the SSM and the military,” a procurement official familiar with the program said. That effectively increases the chances for Boeing Co., which has an outstanding proposal to supply the Turkish Army with its AH-64D Apache Longbow gunship. That proposal is outside the official competition for the purchase of an initial batch of 30 platforms, a contract worth around $1.5 billion.

Procurement sources said Turkey could look for alternative solutions “outside the scope of the existing competition.” Bayar has recently said that Turkey also could consider a U.S. Foreign Military Sales (FMS) solution for the program. That means scrapping the short list of two bidders and going for an off-the-shelf purchase.

“Since Boeing has been unable to fully comply with the commercial request for proposal, which requires 100 percent compliance, Boeing has informed both the Turkish procurement agency and senior Turkish military staff that the Apache cannot compete in the commercial competition but remains available to Turkey under a Foreign Military Sales case,” Boeing spokesman Hal Klopper said.

FMS loans are designed to help allies buy U.S. weapons. One Turkish requirement in the ongoing helicopter gunship tender that Boeing had said it would not be able to meet was a condition for local design and manufacture of the mission computer, a critical device integrating the platform's electronic and avionic systems.

In late June, the committee narrowed the competitors to Italian-British AgustaWestland, maker of the A129 Mangusta International, and South Africa's Denel Aviation, maker of the Rooivalk CSH-2, in a contest for the purchase and co-production of attack helicopters that eventually will rise to between 50 and 90.

The committee's decision pushed out two other contenders: Russia's Kamov, maker of the Ka-52 Black Shark, and Franco-German EADS subsidiary Eurocopter, maker of the Tiger.

The SSM says Turkey's national interests require a Turkish-designed mission computer, but under U.S. export laws and regulations, no such foreign device is allowed to be integrated on a U.S.-made weapon platform.

Defense analysts said a hybrid solution also may be chosen: Buy 10 to 20 helicopters off the shelf from Boeing to meet the army's long-delayed requirement in the shorter term and, in parallel, co-produce 30 to 50 gunships from one of the short-listed bidders.

“That solution can please everyone -- the procurement office, which wants local capabilities and national work, and the military, which wants to see the helicopters in its inventory at once,” said one Ankara-based analyst. “But the key criterion will be the availability of funds for that optimum solution, and it is not certain at this point

from http://www.turkishdailynews.com.tr/a...enewsid=56867:

Well, is it not strange that Erdogan felt weak one day before the important meeting in which they had to decide the future of the Attack helicopter and the JSF procurement? ;)

Absolutely yes. It will be a huge step for the Turkish defence industry.

Even my Turkish friends don't understand the importance of having a big say over the configuration of an attack helicopter, some of them are still questioning why we don't go for the Apache.

They should think for a moment and ask themselves why the "Defense Holding" company is formed.

Defense Holding = Aselsan, TAI, Havelsan and Roketsan combined to one company. Having a development item like the Rooivalk would serve this newly formed company like doping and rocket the "Defence Holding" in less than 10 years to the class of worlds leading defence companies.

:hathello:

DON’T go for US helicopters it’s a big mistake. You can make this helicopter as you wish. This one won’t be a problem to integrate it to your fleet of helicopters, since it incorporates the engines etc form Cougar you already possess.

AH-64 hlapache is the ultimate crapcopter....

I wonder did he write anything about helicopters? Some desperate arms firm with attack helicopters in its portfolio better ease on the tech-transfer and/or source codes so the desperate mythic Vatan can be finally realized.

That snippet from a historical study just made me think of this ATAK fiasco and other indigenous turcica and laugh at the monism behind it.

Thank God, we got AH-64 a+ / AH-64 D LONGBOW (soon) attack helicopters.


Hellenic APACHE AH-64 A+




Hellenic APACHE AH-64 D LONGBOW

hi,

if our projects go like this i think we will have to buy paragiliders inspite of atack chopers. :P
Kaan

LOL :rofl:


and what will they attack with, water pistols or paintball guns? :baeh:

hi
if this goes like this nobody will sell any thing . this project has 10 years past still no result.

but the we request lots of things.

basicly
Chopers must serve at 3000 meters at 30 degrease for 30 minutes minimum. thats important.
All electronics fof ( friend or foe) systems must be built and soft ware must be writen by turkish companies.
and %60 percent must be produced here so we will take the technology !
so nobody wants to give their tech.

if we will use this red hawk ( south african ) it is good for terorists but for an high tech army it looks like not a good choise. :(

i thing at the end we will buy uh 1 s with mg 3 on the sides . like wietnam war a little nostalgy ;)

have a nice new year.
Kaan

:ar15:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IEIPjLm1B5o