For the last few days i hear of continious terrorist attacks in various Turkish cities.. some dead, lots of injured, many tourists among them, and a new Kurdish organisation (that claimed also the fires if i'm not mistaken)

So what is going on guys? What are the news from Turkish sources? Any special comments, scenarios, speculation, reactions? The course of action the new chief of stuff is going to have?

I also heard something about Turkish forces moving into Iraq.. is this true?
I don't see lot's of activity from the Turkish forumers on this issue.. why?

hi

yes 2 dyas ago

a bomb exploded in antalya . just the centere

nearly 80 wounded 2 or 3 dead. most of them window cuts

think that in Athen near plaka and zapion huge bomb explodes. 80 people wounded and 3 dead.
same as here

media doesnt show it too much. because of tourism.. also three in alanya few wounded.

suprizingly toursts dont run away becase most of them cheap all inclusive customes . never leave hotel and pay like 300 euro one week + plane in 5 star hotel ..... :D

2) yes we are in north irak . but there had been Turkish soldier there like 1000 2000 10 km in side they are strengten more as we know.

on the other hand one kurdýsh media group said our f 16 s bomb north iraq but no real news?????? no news very silent.


and turkey going to lebenon besides this . like 200 300 soldier. as we know.


that s all folk s!!!! ;)
Kaan

News report of 1 in Antalya, 3 in Marmaris and 1 in Istanbul...

Who said that? We had no explosions here.. we never had explosions actually..

You misunderstood him. He meant imagine. Instead he used the word think. A single word can create a huge signle mess huh? ;)

thanks DEA


yes imagine.

and 3 in marmaris 1 antalya .istanbul normal every day a sound bomb.

and lots of forest fires. :(

and these are things in the west

in the east every where is full of mines.

Mostly pkk use italian mines the light brown ones. they have no metal in it. so it is hard to find with a dedector. and mostly dont kill people wound them.

and some bigger ones put to the road s . some times our soldiers hit some times school buses hit. !!!

an d some related photos ....

these are captured mines and guns after a operation.

and black hawk caries woulded kids to hospital .

the brown green ones are italian mines mostly called ( feet blower)














they say they fight for Kurdish people !!

they sell drugs in europe germany italy Turkey england Greece, poison the young generation in europe .... and whith the money they buy weapons from russia italia ... and again kill Turkish soldiers and teachers and european tourists . and kurdish kids.



global world. :attention:

Kaan

Ohhh.. sorry Kaan i didn't understand and it sounded very weird that's why i responded this way...

Well mines are mines.. and as i said in another thread in a conflict area you can find anything.. but bombs in the cities is a new thing.. and it is quite different.. foreighners wouldn't care about mines in the mountains but they do care about blind bomb attacks in cities.. the threat level is different too...

I heard there was another one bomb yesterday... it seems that things took a bad turn... hope it will defuse fast... IMHO not by some kind of "war" like scenario but by finding a permanent solution with the Kurds and closing the issues once and for all... wars just bring more wars... even if Turkey enters north Iraq and kills some rebels, there will be others to come afterwards.. this is not a solution i'm affraid...

i thought soo.

but DEA wrote . ;)

I wanted to you to imagine the senerio , the end of plaka and zapion park . people wait for bus . trafic but park is quite. people walk touist s shop buy kuklas , creete honey . ovive oil soaps. than a huge bomb !!!.

3 dead 80 wounded.

then how would u thing ?? and next day another 3 bombs in creete

by the way u read in the news papers 12 soldiers were killed in the north border.
and in the tv you see the best natural parks are being burned by some sempatizans of them .
and some teachers been kidnaped and executed .

You know where their bases and trained like 40 km in albania.

and Usa says. dont moveeeee. i have got plans dont pass the border. :unsure:
and some captured terorist would have equipmets brand new like Glock s or M16 ar 15 . C4 and and ines from italy . like in the number 20 000 .

and this continues like this for all summer.

How would you react !!

yes entering noth iraq wont solve any thing or bombing the camps !. at the end we destroy 10 tents 10 goats and may be wound 1 2 terorists.

Ýmportant thing is to finish this problem . both political and military way .

acualy now it looks like teror is increasing but when we look at the istatistic they are not the in the power they used to 10 years ago .

this year totaly 50 soldiers and cops been KÝA. 1993 this number was nearly 500 600. reason is firt of all they dont have new terorists. most new young ones perefer to go to Antalya to work in the discos !!! disco better than mountain. ;)

2. when Abdullah öcalan captured . in the plane his first words was . Ý m hapy to return to my country and i will look forwart to work for Turkey if the goverment acapts me.
he was responsible of 30 000 people deaed. and orders people to die.
and when captured in the plane he says this.

so most of suporters leave the organization.

3. 1993 there were few media now there is internet 100 of tv chanel . and things look more . acualy pkk try to hit. but nearly it lost its power.

1992 summer they used to atach military border bases who has 50 70 soldiers in with 500 600 terorists. Like Üzümlü base . in one night we lost 23 24 soldier and wounded 30 40 . But didnt give the flag .
now they cant do . they dont have any power for that.

also in 1993 the young oficer are now in higher ranks. and they know how to take precaution. everything changing. most of the units have gore texile chlotes or rifles with night gogles. atack helicopter capacity increased alot.

so they cant come together as groups . only do actions like placing bombs to civilian places or burn forests. and use remote control bombs.

Now in north iraq there is a new goverment ( a kurdish one ) and they are totaly usa oriented and pkk is ( partia komist kurdýstan ) at the end they will have problems. Now already have.

will see what will hapen !! Middle east becoming a real mordor zoo :huh:

Kaan

Is it that they lack the capacity to attack military bases or bacause remote-bombing is safer far less expensive and human costly?..And ofcourse a lot more succesfull?

Yes i can understand my friend Kaan.. it seems that Turkey is somehow put in a dead end and i can't see how you can get out of it.. infact it may be that there is a greater plan behind all this...

If we assume that US wants to create a Kurdish state then all these later actions may have some very specific reasons for happening..
1) People learn about Kurds and their fight (fights in the mountains are not something every european or american would know but a dead tourist is something that everyone will notice and be interested in)
2) Turkey reacts violently and with disproportionate force and this with the appropriate "propaganda" like in Serbia can make Kurds appear as the victims that the international community should protect..

It is just like with Kosovo or with the Kurds and Saddam... and i'm affraid you will have to dance all the way till the end on that if USA wants a Kurdistan in the region..

Lets hope i'm wrong on that cause i have to admit it, i prefer Turkey more than an American world order :) (ok i know, we're supposed to hate each other but when it comes to US i have other priorities.. hahaha)

;)

new american order!!!

yes we are already changing !!

we now go to lebanon to defend israel from hizbullah . may becasue of this Usa will let us nort iraq pkk camps !!! ;)


big broder .

we bomb and make public happy . but at the end no results. <_<

Turkey must be like turkey . greece must be like greece . iran must be like iran.

every palce has its own taste . and culture . it musnt chance.

i prefer to drink wine at patras ( black dafne ) not usa made visky !

Or eat fish at st kastellon. Not Mc donalds !!

or eat kebap at Ýstanbul and drink raký .

We must get modern but must forget who we are or where we come from

(Last samurai Gay emperors speeceh) :friendship: :D


Kaan

:applause: @KAAN


I hope i find the way and time...to drink this Raki in Istanbul soon...

@ Lord You are all welcome my friend.

Ý wisited greece for 6 times before and find great hospitality .


And same you will find here ;)
Kaan

:angry:
this weekend 8 more soldiers become ( sehit) 4 difrent incidents
one was remote control bomb the others long range weapon atacks.

one of the oficers mother was like my mother touched me alot


She said i didnt let him ride bike not to fall . ý dýdnt sent hým to goverment universty not to get beaten or become a member of a fraction .sent thim to usa for i.T traing .
he can speak perfectly engilish german .

we always protect him.
as like every bodys he go to army . i want him back. !!

it was sad alot.

some rumers said like one soldier run away to pkk and join them and give the trenches positions ( traitory )!! but still no new news. :angry:
in the pursuit of the pkk terorists the the group leader killed and pursuit continues.

http://www.milliyet.com.tr/2006/09/04/index.html

you can see his picture on the write small picture


Kaan

WELL... WAR IS WAR..

YOU GET TO KILL AND TO BE KILLED UNFORTUNATELLY...

AND SOMETIMES IN YOUR SQUAD YOU GET TO HAVE MEN WITH NO BALLS....WHO UNFORTUNATELLY BECOME TRAITORS TO THEIR COUNTRY...

The soldier who give away the positions of his friends to pkk . have got caught by the security forces on the run . he refused his crime but forget to erase the celularphone mesages to pkk terorists.

Being tratior is easy ,being celever is hard some times. :angry:

Kaan

sometimes men are used for escape goats...I find it hard to believe but....Ok...

the soldier will be judged as traitory
this would have one penalty mýlýtary prýson lýfe týme. and no early relase .

he is 20 .he wýll stay ýn prýson (ýn cell) all hýs lýfe.
Kaan

Another attack on turkish soil?

I just read that a bomb exploded in diyarbakir killing several 5 children(!!!! :Cursing: ) among.......

Yap.. 10 dead (7 kids) and 14 wounded (most of them kids)... monsterous.. but there is something i don't like about this attack... it doesn't "feel" correct.. i know that it is not the right moment to say such things, especially when so many kids lost their life, but it is not the style of PKK or those "Hawks"... it was aiming kids, it was in a Kurdish non tourist city and it was in a very good timing with the arrival of the US representative for the Kurdish problem in Ankara... considering the rumors about the new chief of stuff of the Turkish Armed Forces and his covered operations against the Kurds it makes me wonder...
Any thoughts?

The bombs in Istanbul were partly also in districts of the poor "landrefugees" with high kurdish rate so what ?

Do you want to say that there are maybe other sides which bomb ? Till jet nobody others then the PKK(or what is now its name) answered...and we hear just the declerations of the PKK...

The actions of Turkish secret services (military/civil) were against PKK fighters not against childern or other civilians! You can accuse others...first think about your greco connections...remember WHERE we caught Öcalan.....and WHO hide him....

i believe some folks should re evaluate their previous statements above....

If you want to know more about the backgrounds of the blasts in Turkey, I advise you to do some searches on the background of General Buyukanit, who was appointed chief of the Turkish armed forces on the day of the blasts in Antalya and other cities.

Especially his links to last years Semdinli affair is rather interesting :
http://www.google.com/search?q=buyukanit+semdinli

Some more articles :

Background of Turkish explosions

Please let me know whether you think these stories are relevant.

welcomeWCF freedomfiles

That's alot of material you offer, thanks! Is there any way you can give us a synopsis of you arguments/points, as I'm too lazy to read all your liks :rolleyes:

cheers,

I think I wrote a detailed message sometime ago that shows that there was no relation between Buyukanit and Semdinli. The DA overused his power to add his name there based on a biased witness. Although he was supposedly investigating the bombing in Semdinli, the DAs claims were not for Semdinli but for the things happened in Diyarbakir for a long time ago. The DA claimed that Buyukanit didn't do anything for some alleged illegal activies (which there were no proof) after he was informed by a local businessman, so he had to be in the game. The only witness for this was the local businesman who didn't have any evidence or whatever. In fact, the witness did not even talked to DA. There was a parlimentary investigation committee where he made his claims. For some reason, the chair of the committee, against the law, without informing the other members of committee, send this witness' claims to DA. There were hundred other witness descriptions and none were sent. It was only this witness. Then without talking to witness, DA wrote this stupid document.

Now, you should ask yourself, why the islamist in Turkey was trying to stop Buyukanit. That, I don't know. I don't think the Turkish military can use its power to change events in Turkey anymore. Look at what is going on there right now. Police is abusing its power in the sense that nothing is done for the islamic crimes (just look at the latest stabbing in a mosque), trying to frame Turkish special forces for illegal activities without any evidence and to my disappointment, I don't see the military has the ability to prevent the quite but effective attacks against the foundation of the republic.

this is anew thing the bomb killing 7 kids and ...
losts of things are said to be also.

u musnt forget that pkk already atack kurdish towns who is loyal to goverment and killed the villigers their babies and even executed the teachers .

also this bomb was places in side a tea termos which is designed to keep drinks hot and cold and mainly used every where with families.
and there is a male body totaly destroyed.

this could be a dumb terorist too. may be early explosition. may be some kids were running and hit him and the bomb exploded. or it was a remote bomb and the triger man exploded his bomb before his friend place it.

could be lots of senerios.

but i dont think Büyük Anýt Paþa has to do some thing with this.

placing a mine and bomb is the most coverdly but efective way of fighting now adays.

Kaan

First, that was a PKK bomb in fact an EOD with cellphone remote control. It was set on a road close to military camp, usual route for the military convoys. One of the death is supposed to belong to one of the bombers.Before making dump comments search more the internet.

edit: It seems the bomb expoloded while being carried to its real destination, not close to a military facility but a central police HQ. The bomb was in thermos.

Don't be that touchy guys.. we're making a question (not a dump comment baris) because this is not a usual attack (and because we don't speak Turkish in order to know what the press there says about it)

I see that only KOKORO really keeps an open mind while everyone else jumps in to defend i don't know what.. nobody accused anyone yet.. we just wandered.. and if that post by cris is real then you should start wandering too i believe instead of trying to blame it on the Kurds, the Greeks, the Americans, the bad weather and i don't know what else..

It's your problem and you should try to find out what's going on more than anyone else... if you don't care then sorry for asking..

After nearly 20 years of fighting against PKK terrorism and a relaunch of it you don't ask "hey was it all the time the PKK or were we just blind?"

Or did we misinterpret the declarations of the PKK when they announced "We planted the bombs" and "we killed them"....

Facts are that the PKK is a terror organisation.
A pseudo-communist but majoritarian nationalistic unit which is financing itself with drug dealing, extortion and smuggling. Its also a fact that too long our "western allies" tolerated or even worse supported the PKK in their borders and in Turkey.

How do you know that it isn't a "usual attack"...what is a usual PKK-attack?
After admiting that you can not read all the turkish sources how you can recognize a "PKK-style bomb attack" ? Are you an expert in PKK-terrorism ?
Did you gain maybe some info from the PKK-bureaus in Greece where they inform you kindly about the "struggle of the poor and unselfish PKK" ?

There are better targets for a (till now unconfirmed) "Turkish revenge brigade"...there are enough easy pro-PKK targets..not a bus station or like Baris wrote a TURKISH POLICE STATION !

Dump comment, is directed to freedomflies' dump post which was unrelated to the deaths of poor 7 kids and 3 adults and the destruction of a whole family. What's Gen. Buyukanit got to do with this. Keep propaganda out of this, this is sick.

Because it was not aiming tourists or military personel.. and it the only one blind against children as far as i know.. there was one more in the past on a school bus but these were kids of military personel... not the same with bombing kids that play in a park i might say..

I also haven't seen any Kurdish orginisation claiming the attack but only that "Turkish revenge brigade"...

If there are any other info contradicting these then present them and spare us the crap about PKK-bureaus in Greece etc etc... i personaly don't give a shit about PKK and its struggle as 99,9% of the Greeks... the only thing i care about is how stable Turkey is and what are the intentions of that new Buyukanit individual.. that's why i'm asking... without any intention to support the one or the other theory or propagating any propaganda in favor or against anyone.. i don't care about theories, i want to find out what's going on.. and i believe tha Turks should want that more than i...

What makes you think that we live in Turkey without knowing or understanding what is going on in Turkey? you think we are all fish swimming in an aquarium? DouriosYpnos, although the Turks try to explain you the situation in Turkey, you tend to beleive some terrorist sources or foreigners' point of view, so what kind of reaction are you expecting from the Turks here, when you put them in a position as if they are ignorant, naive guys who beleive only to their govermental PR. That is sad, to say at least.

When did i say something like this? Are you reading my posts baris?
I asked you because you live there and you have better info.. and i didn't present any theory on the story as true.. i just put everything on the table for commenting.. you don't want to have everything on the table? is it bad to suggest that there is something out of the ordinary about this attack?

Although the Turks try to explain me the situation???? when did this happen and i missed it baris? I saw no explanation.. only the usual comments by Kizir about the "Greco" relations and the "Greco" this and that.. no facts, no news, no articles, no views (official or unofficial) no PKK claim, no comment on those Turkish revenge brigades, no detailed info even on the stories about Buyukanits past.. i don't know the guy, you should know him... and what they say about him it doens't originates from terrorists but from your own government and the international media..
I don't believe anything yet but when it comes to believe in something then who should i believe? you and kizir? why? because of your pretty faces? give me a reason please..

Proove me that you don't blindly believe your internal propaganda and i will gladly reason with you.. but you should provide some argumentation for that first.. at least your thoughts nomatter if they are right or wrong, official or just a gut feeling.. i provided mine.. proove me wrong and i will accept it...

pkk was wery strong in the past
after the catch of öcalan and his video shown in the new ( saying ýf there is a chance is given to me i will do my best to serve the turkish people )

most terorist gave up fight and stayed in irak or gone to europe
these guys are new ones and has no leader

and has now beeing separated now may be we dont know the names but there must be nearly 15 17 (left wing )fractions to de stabilize the country.

and nearly lost of (write wing ).

this could be pkk busines or other fraction.

but turkish security cant do someting like that . even now to protest the act people will close the shops for 3 days . and demonstrate .

it is a real good profaganda to say goverment killed the kids.

but why ???

there is a chinese word ( from a act who is profitble is the one who is responsible)

now people will throw stones to cops and soldiers.
schools will be burned so who will like this ???

pkk will like it or terorist forces.!!

ýf we do it. there are lots of times in the past pkk atack the cities. when ever this hapens we could blow up every pkk sempatizan s house and say that pkk killed them mistakely when the city was under fire we didnt do that.

what we do is arest them ask question s maximum to 48 hours.

then leave them. if there is no real evidence.

pkk started this bombing becase it makes voice and to show that they are powerfull.

they are not.

i wish the all the forum members to speak and understand turkish to listen and öcalan s speaches. How stupid he is and little knowledge he has. and so much peple followed him and the lifes lost..


the strong one is religiously aimed sleeping teror groups . and they are not in the bazzar yet.

more strong then them is our army . still continue to fight day and night winter and summer so we can sleep well at night.

good protect all our armed personel .


Kaan

No facts ? Type in google "PKK bomba" and look where and when bombings happened...so what about the attack in Istanbul ? Just ignore because it doesn't fit in your view ?

Or how died all the civilians in the whole conflict when the PKK doesn't kills turkish civilians ? How ? Are the turkish civilians just secondary targets which die when they are to close to tourist ? Is this your logic ? Well why then the number of turkish civilians deads is higher then the one of foreign tourists when these are the primary targets ? So simple everything.. ain't it?

And for the last incident the PKK did not reach their main target, the police station, or is now frightened (even more cowardly) that because of the dead childern (probaly kurdish origin) they will lose (like they allready did) support of the kurds! So they do not say anything!

I say it again we have ONE source with unlogical and unconfirmed information about a "Turkish Revenge Brigade"...and we have one dead which was a PKK member...its likely that the terrorist died while he was next to the bomb !

http://www.zaman.com/?bl=national&alt=&trh=20060914&hn=36506

Well that's a nice post Kizir.. that's what i'm looking for.. and no i'm not ignoring older attacks.. i just say that they are not like this one... civilians where not the main target then, they were collaterals even if they were more than the target.. in this attack civilians were the only target, that's what makes it different..

But if one of the victims is PKK then really it is probably a failed attack that was blamed on someone else.. and this meand that PKK apart from bombing, has a very powerfull and effective propaganda mechanism in place.. this is interesting and it must worry you alot... cause if we take it the other way and we assume that PKK wanted things to appear this way to others (and especially the US correspondent that arrived that day in Ankara) then they have a very clear plan.. they want to appear as the victims and eventually to request help from the west... think about it..

Come on..We all know that they butt lick the US to assist them create a kurdistan state..I don't know why but something tells me in the end there will be one which will cause many many problems...The thing is, can the US afford another front?...

Now as fas the bombings concerned. If i were a terrorist who targets a tourist site then i wouldn't mind of the casualties but i would mind most on the impact of the attack the greatest harm for the tourism the better for me.. Now as far as the failed bombing attempt concerned are there any leads or proof that the target was the police station or someone assumed it was because it happened to be near the site? On the other hand the thing that Kurds take advantage even over failed attacks and turn them against you by inventing Turkish terrorist groups that means that they have become a more formidable opponent who not only uses bombs but also uses the psychology of the mass which is far worst than any bomb..

Yes you are! Nearly every summer the PKK announced that they would "destroy" and bomb turkish tourist-ressorts...so it is not something new. And their murder (which also took place in europe) was also against civilians!

This attack was planned against state organisations (which are naturally the primary targets of the terrorists) but the PKK had and will stroke/strike against civilians and that in an extensive way. And even if they just aimed at military targets their acceptance for "collateral damage" is enough to proof that point!



Their propgande would be uneffective if the western states wouldn't be (1.) profiteurs of PKK-terrorism because it serves their interests in one way or another and (2.) blind and hiding after phrases like "human rights" while they ignore the ones of the peacefull citiziens of the turkish nation and keep supporting a criminal and terroristic organizations...

Well kizir unfortunatelly your reputation precedes you...In Europe ofr instance not everyone has a good word to say when he hears the word Turk... The sympathy towards pkk is there for quite sometime now while the sympathy for the turkish side?....Every act against civilians is monstrous to say the least except for those working in key government agencies..