I don't and wont care about a defacement on any site but the one i care is the UN one. From what i noticed you live in the US of A huh? Well my friend i think you were too US of A-nised... Everyone fights the way he sees fit to him not anyone can go in the frontline and die just like that, others can well it's up to anyone.I see no particular reason for me to think of an excuse that will parsuade you because you act like those 187687 year old grandpas suffering from artirio sklirinsis....From the day that i asked you of this glorious crest of yours you use i saw this was coming... I thought that people in the IT sector are more "open minded" well i was wrong...

:roflmao:

I'm not surprised by the conclusions you draw. It takes an open-minded individual to not resort to stereotyping and insulting allegations.

Violating private property (like web sites) is a CRIME even in Hellas. In a DEMOCRACY every citizen has the ability to voice their beliefs WITHOUT infringing on the rights of others, INCLUDING their right to enjoy their property.

Your attitude is akin to defending anarchists that torch downtown Athens because they believe they have an "opinion" to voice. I'm sure if you're a commie-anarchist you see no problem with it, but if you were the small business owner that has to pay the damage your attitude would be different. Thank God level-headed people write the laws and support EXACTLY what I am supporting here.

But you might be right and we are all US-cronies defending the mega-corporations.

BTW, when I volunteered to serve my country and cause, I joined the military (4th Corp - Mech Infantry). But how does freezing my b@lls off in Evros (like every other soldier before and after me) compare with defacing web sites? I could never be such a zit-faced "warrior" I suppose. I'm just not smart enough or brave enough to use some kiddie exploit script.

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=script+kiddie

I see this thread took quite a turn..

Well i believe that we kinda miss the point over here.. we're dealing with the abilities (or not) of those that performed the act instead of dealing with the act itself..

Furthermore, digenis you seem to put in the same level clear political acts that are on target (and with no cost of money or life) with acts like anarchist demonstrations that aim to nothing and target everyone just for fun..
Hacking is a crime.. but political protest via hacking is a very nice and effective way to protest.. it hurts noone, makes a stand were it should and spreads the ideas of those protesting fast and effectively (more than any site that noone would ever see.. on time at least).. even more, if the protest has a justified cause like this one... so lets not generalize things over here..

And thus, CASE CLOSED. No need to justify something when you already agree that it is a crime.

A lot of things are "very nice and effective", but when they are ILLEGAL (as you yourself agree) then there is no point in debating the topic.

You don't know that, and neither do most "hackers". What is CERTAIN is that the UN (and any other organization) needs to spend resources (thats $$$$) to repair and/or fix whatever damage was caused (which can only be assessed after an audit). That is money that could have been spent elsewhere (like feeding starving children). You also don't know what other systems were impacted and what effect it had on any number of operations (including humanitarian).

So you have no problem with someone defacing or otherwise compromising NGO or state agencies? It would be fine with you if someone spray-painted on a police vehicle (as if it won't cost money to repaint it)? You would have no problem if someone was broadcasting on military frequencies? The impact on operations and the cost to repair any damage is REAL both in the instances I mentioned above as in cyberspace. This is exactly why it is ILLEGAL.

Great, so when the anarchists have their "justified cause" they can cause physical and operational damages to the state and its agencies (much like these "hackers" do). Or is the cost (in real capital) not the same?

In anything, someone in my position (in IT) would charge a heck of a lot more to investigate a compromise than it would cost to repaint a police vehicle.

I'm no anarchist and definitely not a "comie" my ultranationalist friend..I can't talk about them cause simply i don't know them, do you? One thing that i cannot understand though is how this glorious crest of yours fits with democracy since it represents everything opposing it...Oh by the way for history's sake do a search and find out who are responsible for most of the things that you enjoy now....Your so called comies or the level headed people that reprsent the ideals you defend? By telling me that you volunteered to serve are you supposed to be telling me something? Cause by volunteering all i can asume is that you went earlier in order to serve less than the others and in order to get over with it earlier..Ok i served as special forces officer in reserve(efedros aksiomatikos) does that make me special or moreover does it prove anything? I just did my time and served my country the best way i saw fit...You know Hellas is full of nation father(ethnopateres) who the only thing that they qualify best is to say big words and in the time of action they cowar...Even the people that this glorious crest of yours that were supposed to be uber nationalists in the time of action they just coward and cause a lot of problems still messing Hellas....So i would recomend you to give up that crest of yours cause the only thing it shows is stupidity...You are a head leveled openminded individual are you not?

Dear dourios you know or you should know that stupid incidents during demonstrations occur because of very few individuals whose motives are to be questioned...


But yet again i think i will have to agree with our friend digenis...Those hackers should be arrested and executed like in China.

Don't you think that all those arguments are a bit common? Same arguments for different causes i see nothing more nothing less...By the way do you get happy when a Turkish Gov/military site gets hacked? If you say no you're just a hypocrite,if you say yes you should explain your self... Remember same rulles apply here.

Well Digenis it's a bit difficult to start a political discussion when you view everything in terms of $$$$$ that things cost... it appears that our views and our way of thinking are millions of miles apart to even open some sort of conversation that can lead to somewhere..

But since you like to see things by the book i should remind you that the "political movement" you support commited also a very clear crime when it took power by force in 1967.. offcourse you may believe that they had a just cause for that but a crime is a crime so i believe you should have changed your signature and stop supporting them since they are common criminals according to your way of thinking.. and since all crimes are the same, i'll put it in your words: "when they are ILLEGAL then there is no point in debating the topic." :)

@DEA
I wiil agree that in most demonstration (at least in the past, don't know about now) incidents occur because of very few individuals whose motives are to be questioned...

I believe the comment about China was irronic.. if not i seem to fail understanding you..

My dear friend irony is the answer to stupidity(forgiveme for this word)...

I personally do not like to discard such incidents with "script kiddie" explanation. First of all, it is not that easy to follow the underground. Secondly, even after that it requires an understanding of the system, i.e., their knowledge is I'm sure higher than average system administrator. Ask a random administrator about ASP, PHP, Ruby, Adobe GoLive, OpenXchange server, RPC protocol, DOM Objects, SSH buffer overflow. He would look at you. However, these guys even though they may not know the details, they would know what each component does. Thirdly, this is part of an education in cyberwarfare. Some members of those groups could serve in the intelligence community of their country. I don't think it is a bad thing for a country to have some individuals who can control a few hundred thousands bots just in case it become necessary to disable some infrastructures. As long as these persons don't use their knowledge to effect their target economocially, I found these attempts amusing. In fact, one of my Teaching Assistants wrote a network sniffer (that was before the web, where such information was hard to reach) to listen network packets. He posted everybodies passwords on the bulletin board. That was really fun. Especially when you had access the program to look at what everybody was doing :) Not surprisingly he went to work with a certain government organization that could utilize his abilities.

To answer digenis question, as long as these guys doesn't affect me economically, destroy my data or read my mails, I would be amused. In fact, I did. For a long time, my brother told me to update Wordpress to the new version in a personal server. I was just lazy to do the upgrade. Not suprisingly, after a few months (I guess 6 months) somebody used a known bug to run his own server. I had to take my server down, update wordpress and restart the services. I didn't liked it at all since I had modified the previous version for my own needs but I didn't pissed off either. I didn't care about being hacked, and somebody did. That simple.

By the way, that is all MS's fault :) Now everybody thinks they are system administators since they can add users with the click of two mouse buttons. The companies also deserve since they hire such people without much knowledge.

:roflmao:

It is not a discussion when you destroy the property of another party(ESPECIALLY when that party is political in nature). How difficult is it for some of you to understand?

What is your attitude about torching political party offices? There is no difference between that, and hacking a site (if anything, a compromised site could cost more than the burned down party office).

That is your OPINION, but not one based on law. There have been MANY books and articles written on the subject, so I won't bother repeating the arguments here. The simple fact is that the government of Hellas in the period of 1967-1973 was sworn into office by the King of Hellas, and was INTERNATIONALLY recognized (even by the Soviets). The independent judicial system (all the way up to Areios Pagos) have repeatedly confirmed that the government was legal, as were and ARE all of its decrees and laws (many laws of that government STILL IN FORCE today).

A crime is a crime when the law (and not your opinion) says it is. Unauthorized access of electronic systems is ILLEGAL because LAWS say it is.

Which you can't seem to grasp. You're still defending ILLEGAL acts as some sort of "freedom" or valid expression of opinion.

Oh my god!! Are you believing what you say?....I feel sorry for you...

Such debating tactics simply illustrate how clueless you are on the subject. When you have facts and evidence to support any of your positions, try again.

The FACTS are as follows:
1) Unauthorized access to electronic systems is a CRIME in almost every advanced DEMOCRATIC state (which does not include China).

2) Freedom of expression in every DEMOCRATIC nation does not protect acts against the private property of any physical person or organization. Any acts of abuse against any private property is a CRIME.

3) The supreme ruler of Hellas in 1967 (King Constantine) swore in the revolutionary government as prescribed by the then consitution.

4) The supreme court of the country (Areios Pagos) has declared that the government of the 1967-1973 period was legitimate, and all laws and treaties signed by it are valid.

The above are some of the FACTS you wish to ignore because it does not fit the conclusion you have been taught after years of brainwashing. If you have any objection to what I have presented, argue with facts that counter them (if you can).

You are so right about that.
In 1940 who was leading the country? A fascist by the name of Metaxas who wrote another bright chapter for Hellas. Do you know what Papadopoulos or Pattakos were doing in that war? Better yet, do you know where Andreas Papandreou or Konstantinos Karamanlis were?

Better yet, tell me who was in charge of Hellas in:
1955 Constantinople Pogrom
1960 Cyprus Constitution
1963-64 Bombing of Cyprus, creation of enclaves
1974 Invasion of Cyprus (July and August)

Too far back for you to know? How about more recent stuff?
Who ended the state of war with Albania?
Who allowed millions of illegals to enter the country?
Who accepted to limit continental shelf rights in the Aegean?
Who refuses to extend territorial waters?
Since when has Turkey started questioning Hellenic sovereignty in the Aegean?
When did the S-300 fiasco take place?
When did the Imia fiasco take place?
When did the EAX fiasco take place?
Who let Turkey join a custom union with the EU?
Who allowed Turkey to become a EU candidate?
Who allowed foreign bases to stay in Hellas (even after years of saying "EOK kai NATO to idio syndikato")

Those that know history know very well who the cowards are, and who has defended the country with their blood.

You are clueless once again. The revolution handed over control in October 1973. The last remaining member (Papadopoulos) of the revolution was removed in November 1973 because he was planning elections that the polticians did not want. Regardless of that, the military was prepared IN SPITE of the arms embargo the US had imposed on Hellas as some politicians (like Papandreou) had demanded!

In July 1974 the Hellenic Navy had 4 Exocet equipped FAC's and 4 U209 subs. The Turkish Navy did not have anything similar, and absolutely NOTHING to counter the above weapon systems. These same subs are STILL IN SERVICE, while the FAC's were just recently donated to Georgia's Navy.

In July 1974 the Hellenic Army had BRAND NEW AMX-30 MBT's, AMX-10 AIFV's, MIM-23 Hawks, M-109 howitzers, FN rifles, and other equipment STILL IN USE TODAY. The Turkish Army did not have anything similar (with the exception of the G-3's entering service). Since that period, how many BRAND NEW MBT's and AIFV's did Hellas buy?

In July 1974 the Hellenic Air Force had F-4E Phantoms in service. Other aircraft were on DELIVERY like the Mirage F1, A-7E, C-130, T-2E, etc. In total, about 140 fighter aircraft were to be delivered by 1975. These deliveries would have been complete prior to 1974, but there was an arms embargo by the USA until 1972.

If you want to know why these forces did not engage the enemy, you can ask Arapakis, Mponanos, or Gizikis. All of them received the highest honors after Karamanlis' return (Gizikis remained PRESIDENT for another 4 months), even though they were the highest members of "Ioannides' junta". You can also ask Karamanlis (or his defenders) why nothing was done in August 1974 (when the Turks went from controlling about 3% of the island to about 38%).

I'm sure you don't have a clue about anything I mention, although you should have no problem spouting off that I am wrong.

The only stupidity shown is by those that talk about subjects they are clueless about.

We are talking about a coup here what did you expect areios pagos and the king to do?!!! For gods sake am i the one dueless or are you the one being an idiot?!! The last thing you'll tell is that saddam husein was a beloved and democratically elected president of his country!!! Get it together man!!!

I told you that you are clueless, so take the time to LEARN and then mouth off. Areios Pagos has made its decisions AFTER 1974. Regarding the King, he was the one that APPOINTED THE PRIME MINISTER (Kolias). Like I said, LEARN before you speak.

I will continue this idiotic conversation nomore....But i will say this just and only think that over 2 people hanging together was considered a plot against your so called democratic elected revolutionary government!!! It was a coup supported by your beloved US of A ok? You can keep your facts i'll just go with the truth!!!

Faced with undisputable facts, you run away. I'm not surprised.

Only an idiot would claim that the "coup supported by your beloved US of A". The USA loved them soooooo much that they had an arms embargo in place from 1967-1972! The USA loved them soooooo much that there were congressional investigations into "abuses" (as the overthrown Hellenic politicians pulled strings in Washington).

The USA was CLUELESS about the revolution prior to 21 April 1967. Here are the FACTS:
http://www.state.gov/r/pa/ho/frus/johnsonlb/xvi/

Imagine that... to take a position based on FACTS and EVIDENCE. Quite a new concept, right?

Oh yes ofcourse nixon kissinger and the CIA knew nothing about the coups that were going to take place... You are so right....And you will have to excuse my ignorance noble master...You know ineed no arguments with you for obvious reasons...Not because i am clueless or whatsoever but because all of you far rightists are so damn perfect and for whatever errors the others to be blamed...Once i heard someone such as you blaming the Comunists for whathappened in Cyprus(as if i give a damn)...

The more you write, the more clueless you appear.

Nixon did not become president of the USA until 1969!

If you don't know this much... it doesn't surprise me you are wrong on so many counts.

I meant that nixon supported the regime and the cia along with its foreign affairs minister knew all about the inbound.

Ps. one thing i cannot understand how can you speak about democracy when you favour those that destroyed it...

Gents, How does hacking have anything to do with the Greek junta?

We would all be happy to read and discuss this topic in the appropriate section. So lets take this debate to the correct sub-forum, yes?


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i suppose

And you have EVIDENCE of this, right? That is anything other than communist urban legends from Rizospastis and the other rags.

In any case, let me remind you of what you stated:

So Nixon his Secretary of State (Foreign Minister) knew about the "coup" that was going to take place 2 years prior to when they entered office? Interesting! Is there any logical reason why the US Embassy in Athens (and nobody else in the State Department) were aware of this "coup" that was engineered by the CIA?

Unlike your conspiracy theories, there are ample reliable resources that detail exactly how the revolution took place and who organized it. If you want first hand accounts, try visiting the actual leaders of the 21 April 1967 revolution (those still alive). Trust me... they served time in prison and have had numerous crimes committed against them... they are not "protecting" anyone if you think they have anything to hide (especially of a US involvement).

Haha... :applause:

I suggest you read up on Karamanlis "self exile", the "apostasia", the "rigged" elections of 1958 and 1961, the political prisoners, Mpelogiannis, ASPIDA, and much MUCH more. If this was a "democracy", then Saddam Hussein's Iraq was utopia!

Let us not forget that this "democracy" still survives today because the political elite (the oligarchy) has decided to "share the pie". We have political dynasties where Papadopoulos, Karamanlis, Mitsotakis, Venizelos, etc. have as much relevance today as they had in 1940, 1966, 1975, 1980's, 1990's and 2000's! Who needs a royal family when you have these clowns. These common criminals who are above the law even if amnesty has to be given? These "representatives" who get to vote for the "President of the Democracy" (sic) instead of the people/DEMO.

Thank you for teaching me about democracy! But you should know how "un-democratic" the "junta" was by reading the 1968 and 1973 constitutions and comparing them with what we have today.

First of it wasn't a revolution in any way imaginable...
Secondly whatever traditional power families exist are more preferable than you stupid militants.If i don't vote them they don't get elected so simple as that.
Thirdly Why do you hold this stupid grudge against the comunists? Have they done anything to you? No but you did to them...Oh yes i speak about the civil war and the stupidity that were in people's like you minds..The rightists didn't want a comunist government so they said hey what the heck lets call in the English and destroy whatever was left from our country...I say to you again i don't give a f*** to rightist idiots nor to leftist ones as well all i give a very big f*** is my country which suffered a lot because of the stupidity that characterises your keen...
Fourthly if the Cia and the foreign affairs didn't know anything why were there 3 ongoing coups thenand only one favoured?!!! One by the army,one by the king and the one from your beloved colonels...Imagine that your beloved leaders were so much appreciated that a military vessel under the name of velos defected!!!! When you talk it's like i hear your beloved patakos speak!!!You both make no sense!!
Fifthly You should know that if we were still under the stupid regime that we had during the 70s then we would not have that conversation BECAUSE WE WOULD NOT BE ALLOWED TO!!! That's for your beloved coup and not revolution there was only one revolution and it happened back in the 1821 ok? ACCEPT IT!!Because of what we have now which is completely against and opposing to your beloved coup you are able to express whatever moronik ideas you have and i say moronik because only a moron could support a totalitarian regime!! You moron my father had to walk for 4 hours to make a 3 kms distance on foot because he was afraid of the representatives of your stupid colonels!! And oh yes they all served thrir time but you know they had to go out of jail sooner because the climate there(tv,music fully comfortable cells) was too cold for them and the got a cold so they had to get out of there due to health reasons...If you ask an psychiatrist he will tell you that Papadopoulos is the perfect example of the individual suffering from paranoia...Our modern Parthenons were the exile islands around the Agean sea..Well if you call that democracy and revolution well you can sit there in the US of A it's coming...You know we are not talking about English invented history here we are talking about things that many of us have seen and lived!!
Oh and by the way you know during the first call to arms back in the 73 the ones that were sent to cyprus were the soldiers whose parents or them selves were leftists....So much for democracy....Discrimination upon the population upon political beliefs even during times of war...

Ellinisti Par'thn epanastash sou kai valth ekei pou kses....
In english have your revolution and shove it up yours....
Oh! and by the way i saw you mentioned somewhere another great political leader metaxas....Well as we all know he struggled between his German friends and the allies...The ELLI attack made things easier becaise of peoples will...The colonel junta and metaxas junta were one and the same....Exiles,murders but above all glory.....All you rightists for glory live and for glory die....

Dear patakos eeeerm... Digenis...This conversation is over. brain Artiriosklirinsis is a nasty disease...

Good morning everyone!!
Digenis after a discussion i had with a former esa officer i am now convinced that the 1967 revolution has nothing to do with the attrocious regime that the commies present to us today!! I have been fooled!!! The tree was right in front of me but i couldn't see it!!The water was running infront of me but still i couldn't drink it!! The food was there for me to eat but couldn't touch it!! Knowledge was around but i kept ignoring it... Forgive me my brother for being just an ignorrant!! Give us your lights!! Oh! i must admitt You were so right from the begining and i was left.....

Digenis, from your arguments i come to the conclusion that your logic is based on a very simple, naive and false assumption... that bad politicians can excuse dictators.. and even justify their actions..

sorry but nomatter how many good things a dictatorship can do (like all those you listed about arms and many more about infrastructure and economy i could add) it will still be a dictatorship.. it will be suppresing, non democratic, non favorable by the people (that never selected it) and in the long run disasterous.. it is also a very good excuse to all those bad politicians for going on with their bad politics and blame it to the even worse dictators that the people strongly deslike (because people are directly effected by supresion and state fear when bad politics that can be disasterous for a country don't have such a direct "touch" to the public)..

I will not try to convince you that the 67-74 dictators were bad.. i will even accept that their ideas and motives were pure and in the interest of the country.. but i will assure you that even like this their way of practising their power and forwarding their views was the worst possible and resulted to completely opposite results.. it is not enough just to be right about something, it is even more important the way that you will fight for that right..

Unlike what Metallicas' song suggests, you can't fight fire with fire.. furthermore, fight a lighter with a flamegun..

p.s. Taking power by force, even if the king supports you later on, is a crime.. it's an action against every constitution.. the only exception to that are revolutions.. but revolutions are also initiated and supported by the vast majority of the people, not by few military individuals... and all this is not a textbook definitions.. it is common logic..

Dourie,

All I have to say is that you need to compare how Venizelos came to power, and how the 21 April 1967 revolution came to power. Both were in fact identical in nature (where the MILITARY coerced the King to accept a new government).

Today one is celebrated as a "revolution" because it established the political dynasties and oligarchy that exists since that time. The other is called an "illegal" "junta" or dictatorship.

The facts are the SAME, but the points of view and opinions differ. But you don't see me calling anyone "simple" or "naive" for supporting or excusing how Venizelos came to power.

The simple fact is that so much propaganda, lies, and misinformation has been spewed about the period, that most Hellenes cannot rationally review the facts to make up their own mind. And why would most Hellenes do that when they have been brainwashed about the "junta" that "lost Cyprus", was a "tool of the Americans", "killed hundreds of students", had "stones in weapons boxes", and "tortured thousands"? How could anyone even question anything when just about everyone in public eye presents himself as a "junta victim" and a member of the "antistasi"?

Regarding the term "dictatorship"... can you tell me who the "dictator" was in 1967-1973? Do you know that the judiciary was independent and had made numerous decisions AGAINST laws of the government? Do you know that a revolutionary council existed that made decisions in a democratic fashion? Do you know that an INDEPENDENT group of consitutional EXPERTS drafted the 1968 consitution (which was in many regards more liberal than the one we have today)? Do you know that in 1973 the government was headed by a politician (Markezinis) and elections were scheduled for early 1974?

The "return to normalcy" was well under way by 1972 (which is why the USA lifted the arms embargo) but was interupted by those that did not want a TRUE democratic system in place.

:roflmao:

Then why don't you run for office instead of them? Oh I forgot, you're not in the position to place people into government positions, or to "grease" the bureaucratic obstacles (rousfetia kai ladomata).

IGNORANCE at the greatest level imaginable! I suggest you pick up a copy of "O Laos Ksexna Ti Simainei Aristera" by Pleuris for a great overview. But here are a few points:
The communists kidnapped (paidomazema) 28,000 children and sent them FOR THE REST OF THEIR LIVES (until communism collapsed) behind the Iron Curtain.
The communists supported and had as allies forces that wanted an independent MACEDONIA.
The communists wanted to establish a communist "paradise" in Hellas, like those that existed in Albania.
The communists MURDERED HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS of Hellenes, including women and children.

You are a complete IDIOT. I expect more from someone that was a DEA in the military! How dare you become an officer without knowing what you are supposed to represent? If you didn't know, it was the Hellenic Army that fought those communist killers that were receiving their orders straight from Moscow.

Was George Panadreou a "rightist"? Are you serious? The vast MAJORITY of Hellenes did not want a "comunist government" (DICTATORSHIP). Every single ELECTION RESULT throught history indicates that the communists NEVER enjoyed popular support at any level that would grant them control of gevernment. Drop your copy of Rizospastis and open up a few books. The ENTIRE political world (which is the oligarchy you support) participated in the post-war struggle AGAINST the communists. If you'd like, I can even provide you some very good quotes from the "gero tis dimokratias" against your beloved commies.

Yeah... if it was up to you there would be no "civil war" and we would be all living like Albanians. Well... those of us south of Macedonia, since those living in Macedonia would live like Yugolsavs, and those in Thrace like Bulgarians.

Can you use some logic? Even if 3 coups were taking place (and there weren't) how exactly did you establish that the USA was behind ALL THREE? If the USA was behind the coup, wasn't there going to be JUST ONE?

Hahaha... do I have to even respond to this?
The military leadership was STRICTLY pro-royal. There was a NATO-designed PLAN in case serious domestic issues were to arise calling for martial law. The KING himself and did many in the political sphere and the military were very much CONCERNED about the situation and made appropriate PLANS.

The risk to the nation was REAL, and the 21 April 1967 revolution made sure that it dealt with the cirisis and NOT the King.

You fail to mention WHEN that happened, that the senior officers were ROYALISTS attempted to bring back the King, and that the vessel with the rest of the crew returned back to Hellas!

What an opportunity for the entire military and public to revolt against the "hated junta"... and yet just *1* ship defected (to ITALY). And not even the entire crew...

Yeah... they hated anyone that didn't walk! Was your aunt a torture victim, your grandfather a "resistance" member, etc. etc. etc. etc. etc.?

Papadopoulos left prison for the hospital bed he died in. He was still under guard in the hospital in case he managed to overthrow this banana "democracy". Pattakos left after some 20+ years in prison when he was in his 80's. He did so as he had much to contribute in information and knowledge (like the numerous books he has published). Pattakos lives in a run-down little house in the middle of Patisia... compared to the "democrats" who built villas in Ekali etc.

How could the USA allow their "puppets" to rot in prison all those years? Usually their "puppets" (like the south Vietnamese, Iranians, etc.) get an excellent setup in the USA. Something doesn't add up! Perhaps when American George Papandreou comes to office he can find out what went wrong.

I'd like to meet the psychiatrist that diagnoses paranoia on the dead!

Once again you speak from ignorance. The exile islands existed since the post war (even on April 20 1967), and they were "paradise" compared to any prison. The population of political prisoners decreased significantly once the revolution took power, and became non-existent by 1973. The revolution also removed the "pistopiitika koinonikon fronimaton" that were used to discriminate against "leftists".

What evil dictators!!

Call to arms in 1973? Check your history books! The ELDYK were primarily members of the traditional CENTER and RIGHT. This is one of the reasons why Makarios ordered the removal of ALL HELLENIC FORCES in 1974.

And you have evidence of this, right? I do have evidence that Karamanlis removed more than 400 officers in 1974-1975 instead of defending Cyprus.

What STRUGGLE? He tried to keep Hellas neutral. For your information, so did the KKE (since the Soviets had their treaty with the Nazis).

HAAHAHAHAHAAHA..... :lol: :roflmao:
Are you a political science major??