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Lord - July 26, 2006 12:12 PM (GMT)
Israel blames warning shots at Turkish ferry on lack of coordination
Wednesday, July 26, 2006
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ANKARA - Turkish Daily News


Israeli navy boats fired warning shots and stopped a Turkish ferry chartered to carry Australian evacuees from Lebanon before it was allowed to proceed, leading the Foreign Ministry in Ankara to make a demarche at the Israeli Embassy in the Turkish capital.

The incident was first made public when Transport Minister Binali Yıldırım informed reporters, noting that the ferry was held up until the early hours of Tuesday and that it was allowed to sail again after Turkish government officials and the Australian Embassy in Ankara convinced Israeli officials to let the ferry go.

The ferry was not carrying any passengers at the time of the incident late on Monday and no injuries were reported.

The ferry was on its way from Beirut to the Turkish Cypriot port of Gazimağusa (Famagusta) to refuel, before returning to Beirut to transport Australian evacuees to the Turkish Mediterranean port of Mersin.

A senior diplomat at the Israeli Embassy in Ankara confirmed the incident and said that the Turkish Foreign Ministry made a demarche at the embassy about the incident as of yesterday.

Emphasizing that it was the first incident encountered by a Turkish evacuation ferry, the same diplomat said the embassy soon asked the military officials in Israel for the reason behind the event.

“The ferry left the port with no authorization, no coordination and no paper work,” the diplomat reported, quoting information conveyed by the military officials.

The ferry was later asked to stop for checks and warning shots were fired above the ferry according to international rules since it didn't stop.

The diplomat explained that the ferry was allowed to leave when it was established following checks that there was no threatening element.

“Several Turkish ships left the region without problems earlier. That's the first time we encountered such an incident,” the Israeli diplomat said, blaming the incident on a lack of coordination on the behalf of the ferry crew.

“One has to understand that such vessels going without coordination immediately become suspected,” due to the current situation in the region, the diplomat added.
http://www.turkishdailynews.com.tr/article.php?enewsid=49860

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Lord - July 26, 2006 12:14 PM (GMT)
Some related news....

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BEIRUT, Lebanon (CNN) -- U.S. Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice is proposing an ambitious plan with up to two international military forces that would help the Lebanese government stabilize the situation in southern Lebanon, Lebanese political sources said.

Rice pitched the plan Tuesday to Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Olmert in Jerusalem, then traveled to the West Bank city of Ramallah for talks with Palestinian Authority President Mahmoud Abbas.

Rice's diplomatic moves came on the 14th day of the conflict sparked by Lebanon-based Hezbollah's capture of two Israeli soldiers.

Meanwhile, Israeli airstrikes continued to pound Lebanese cities, while Hezbollah rockets rained down on northern Israel. (Watch as Lebanese port comes under heavy fire -- 2:11)

Since July 12, at least 392 people, mostly civilians, have been killed and as many as 1,383 wounded in Lebanon, Lebanese security officials said Tuesday. (Watch as fresh airstrikes pound Beirut -- 2:53)

At least 41 Israelis have died, including 19 civilians, and at least 388 have been wounded, Israeli officials said. (Watch 60 rockets and 'angel of luck' -- 3:27)

The plan proposed by Rice initially would involve putting an international force of up to 10,000 Turkish and Egyptian troops under a NATO or U.N. commander into southern Lebanon following a cease-fire, the political sources say. (Watch as Rice lays out U.S. view of crisis -- 2:54)

Another international force of up to 30,000 troops then would help the Lebanese government regain control over the region, the sources said. (Full story)

Rice presented the plan Monday to Lebanese officials, the sources said, and will show it to European foreign ministers Wednesday in Rome, Italy. (Full story)

U.S. and diplomatic sources said Lebanese officials are leaking details of the proposal because they are opposed to many of them.

The sources describe the plan as an outline or working proposal and note no one has agreed to it. They also said there are many hurdles to overcome before it could be implemented. (Watch why 'stabilization force' would face tough task -- 2:08)

No letup in the fighting
An overnight Israeli airstrike hit a house in the village of Nabatiye, killing seven people, Lebanese security sources said.

The IDF only said its military operations have hit dozens of militants during ongoing fighting in Bint Jbeil, a town it dubbed Hezbollah's "terror capital."

Israel claimed Tuesday it had gained complete control of Bint Jbeil, according to Israel Defense Forces Gen. Gal Hirsch, who commands the Galilee division. The IDF said it had killed between 20 and 30 Hezbollah fighters in that area in the past 24 hours.

In Israel, a Katyusha rocket killed a 15-year-old girl Tuesday in the village of Meghar in Galilee, Israeli police and medical service officials said.

At least 18 people were injured in the port city of Haifa and one man died of a heart attack after a rocket struck near his home, officials said.

Huge explosions reverberated Tuesday afternoon through the southern suburbs of Beirut -- a Hezbollah stronghold -- sending smoke billowing through high-rise buildings.

Several Israeli strikes hit the Lebanese coastal city of Tyre. There was no official word yet on casualties.

Israel opens aid corridors
Israeli officials agreed during talks with Rice to make it easier to get humanitarian aid into Lebanon, a U.S. State Department official said.

Lebanese officials have pleaded with the United States to pressure Israel for an immediate cease-fire, but U.S. officials said conditions are not yet ripe for such a move, and they expect Israeli military operations to continue for another week or even longer.

The U.S. military Tuesday began delivering medical supplies to Beirut for distribution by aid agencies. Officials said the United States has pledged $30 million for humanitarian aid to Lebanon and immediately will supply 100,000 medical kits, 20,000 blankets and 2,000 rolls of plastic sheeting.

The U.S. announcement followed a U.N. appeal for nearly $150 million in humanitarian aid earlier this week. (Full story)

CNN's John King, Karl Penhaul, John Roberts, Brent Sadler and Fionnuala Sweeney contributed to this report.




Hainte ...again...US calls for fresh boys...

Lord - July 26, 2006 02:23 PM (GMT)
Four Officials Dead

Israel Strikes UN Base 26 Jul 2006 07:28:00 (Last updated: 26 Jul 2006 16:34:39)

By Despina Hristopoulou
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Sources: ANA - BBC

The United Nations are counting their first casualties in Lebanon as of Tuesday night. An Israeli aerial bomb destroyed a UN observer force base in the area of Khiam, southern Lebanon, just hours before the international conference for humanitarian aid to the refugees was scheduled to start in Rome. Four UN observers were killed in the raid. UN Secretary-General Kofi Annan declared devastated from this "apparently deliberate targeting." "I am shocked and deeply distressed by the apparently deliberate targeting by Israeli Defence Forces of a United Nations observer post in southern Lebanon," Annan said in a statement issued in Rome, adding, "This coordinated artillery and aerial attack on a long established and clearly marked UN post at Khiam occurred despite personal assurances given to me by Prime Minister Ehud Olmert that UN positions would be spared Israeli fire." Moreover, he called on Israel to investigate the incident and demanded that any further attack on UN positions and personnel must stop. In the meantime, Olmert said he has spoken with Kofi Annan to express "deep sorrow" over the killing of the four UN observers.





Israel to Probe Attack


The four observers from Austria, Canada, China and Finland had taken shelter in a bunker under the post after it was earlier shelled 14 times by Israeli artillery. The specific base has been operational in the border area since 1978.

Israel voiced its sorrow over the tragic death of the four UN observers, stressing that it would be conducting an investigation into the air strike that resulted in their death and underlining that UN personnel did not constitute a target.

The USA also expressed its sorrow over the death of the UN officials. "We’re obviously very sorry about that," US Ambassador to the UN John Bolton said. "We’re attempting to get information where we can to confirm the nature of the incident."

China also condemned the Israeli air strike. As a matter of fact, Chinese Assistant Foreign Minister Zhai Jun called in the Israeli ambassador to China for an "emergency" meeting within the day, while he demanded that Israel apologised.

Moreover, Finland announced it was expecting Israel to proceed with a thorough investigation into the air raid. "These so called precision attacks seem to be hitting everyone except Hezbollah, there have been hundreds of civilians, international workers and others killed already and it does not seem that by these means a military solution could be achieved," said Finnish FM Erkki Tuomioja.

On the other hand, Israel’s UN Ambassador Dan Gillerman declared "shocked" by Kofi Annan’s statement of a "deliberate targeting," terming it "hasty" and saying that Israel would be conducting an investigation.






Nasrallah Issues Warnings


In the meantime, in a speech broadcast on Hezbollah’s al-Manar television, group leader Sheikh Hassan Nasrallah declared that the conflict with Israel was entering a new phase and Hezbollah would not be accepting any humiliating conditions for truce. Nasrallah said the Israeli attacks on southern Lebanon would not stop Hezbollah’s rockets, while he threatened that the war would enter the "beyond-Haifa" stage, whatever the consequences. Moreover, the group’s leader accused Israel of preparing the attacks on Lebanon for months and not just launching them to avenge the capture of the Israeli soldiers. "Their aim is to put Lebanon under the hegemony of the Zionist-American policies," said Nasrallah.

At the same time, battles are raging around the village Bint Jbeil in southern Lebanon. TV network al-Jazeera reported that twelve Israeli soldiers have been killed so far during fierce battles with Hezbollah militants.

Israel believes that Bint Jbeil is a Hezbollah stronghold.

Earlier, six rockets were launched from Lebanon into northern Israel, on Tiberias and Safed, and but no casualties were reported. In addition, Haifa was also targeted by Hezbollah rockets on Wednesday morning.

At least 418 Lebanese and 43 Israelis have been killed until today, which marks two weeks since the Israeli attacks on Lebanon started.

http://news.ert.gr/en/7/19661.asp

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Seems that the mighty Israeli super power...and there artillerie isnt so accurate...?
Or what do you think...can it be on purposes...?
and why..if so...

Koursaros - July 26, 2006 03:26 PM (GMT)
Well artillery can be innaccurate, especially if you consider the battle fatigue of the troops and the fact that just a few artillery millimetres can make a huge difference at drastic range. It is easy to make a mistake.

KOKORO - July 27, 2006 06:18 AM (GMT)
Yes
but if you shoot the same un nations control post 12 13 times also to aim the shelter where the UN peace keepers hide.. İt is not a mistake. İf it is a mistake israeli artlry must be realy dump.

Also turkish military ship was hostialed by isralei miliarty ships too.( only with radio.)

some orders were given to follow to the captain. and captain replied as we are in intrenational water s and following the international rules. also orders are taken from Turkish Millitary Auttories not from you.

Acording todays articles.

Lord - July 27, 2006 08:29 AM (GMT)
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post 12 13 times also to aim the shelter where the UN peace keepers hide.. İt is not a mistake. İf it is a mistake israeli artlry must be realy dump.



Excactly kokoro...
Koursaros i know what you say...if there is one or 2 shots by mistake...its another story...
but the shoot at it on purposes...seems..

KOKORO - July 27, 2006 02:36 PM (GMT)
Basicly israelies arent dump.
they mostly do things on contious.

they hit the UN soldiers on contious. To show world that. they dont want a More UN soldiers or NATO force there .. they want a weak Lebanon as a neighbour . So whenever they want they can play with it.!!

and it is a masage to other counties citizens dont let your goverments sent here troops. if necesary we kill them. Very basic mesage. Dont come here. Dont.

and message is clear that nobody even says we must sent peace keeping forces there.. nobody has balls for that.

Like in Serbia. NAto didnt have balls to enter there on foot.
Because they know they will be hunted like birds in there.
Kaan

PINDOS - July 28, 2006 05:49 AM (GMT)
I must disagree with Kokoro. Sure it was on purpose.
But the reason behind it is, in my opinion, that they don't want other nations/organizations having a look in their op's. It's a basic military rule to keep your actions and intentions as quite as possible. Nobody wants observers in their operations-fields
It isn't the first time they have shot U.N.-peace keepers and it will not be the last time. In the past they have "accidentally" hit a CIA-ship which was tapping all radio traffic. Again the same motive, keep our op's and intentions as secret as possible.


A UN-controlled buffer zone would be in their interest, but only after eliminating the thread and achieving their goals. After that the UN would be welcome.

As for the impacting artillery fire, at what range did they fire? Was it at, let's say, 30km? Because in that case they were firing on coordinates given by their commanding officers... That could prove the intentional aiming on the observation post.

KOKORO - July 28, 2006 07:21 AM (GMT)
Yes
but this is a show of force saying that we can do it..

and now they say as i read from news there could be a new force in lebenon not olny european but also from muslim backround forces. like turkey eqypt and jordan.. And ISRAEL wants it. normaly they dont want any body in to their business
they are wiseeee
and celever.


the forces aim would be protecting both sides form each other.
sooo new forces job will be dis arming hizbullah fighers and stop them atacking israel.

israel find new guard dogs.
2
Hizbullah will hate this becasue turkish back round is not siaa we are suni.

so the army who goes there would be in a very deep shit. israelies sia militants cristian UN force muslim Un force ... small jungle but hostile one

Kaan

saladin - July 28, 2006 07:32 AM (GMT)
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AYALON: Well, we can, to the extent that Hezbollah does not interfere.

And -- and, Paula, I think that it was your network, CNN, that showed that one of the -- the guys of the -- the UNIFIL position was e-mailing, for the last four or five days, to U.N. headquarters that Hezbollah is being all over them.

What Hezbollah is doing, specifically locating themselves smack- dab to U.N. positions. This is why they were caught in the crossfire. This is why they were hurt, because of Hezbollah's tactics.

ZAHN: Right, but...

AYALON: So...

ZAHN: ... they also maintained they had made repeated calls to warn that this fire was coming closer and closer, and to -- to make the Israeli forces not bombard that area.

AYALON: Yes, but when you call the forces, which are themselves under fire, things happen.

You know, friendly-fire also happens. We, of course, regretted it. But the -- the source of the problem is the Hezbollah tactics. And we will not fall into this. And we will make sure that, because of these tactics, they cannot be -- not vulnerable and they cannot continue. And this is what's...

ZAHN: We...

AYALON: ... what's at stake here.

ZAHN: We have got to leave it there.

Ambassador Ayalon, always good to see you. Thanks so much for dropping by.

AYALON: Thank you.




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