Yes you saw right Gents...
after some skepsis...and contacts...
I suggest...to leave the WCF for one month without any..MODERATION...

so my suggestion is....

no moderation at all...

except if someone is getting stupid enough to add pics or swearings not apropriated for our ethic...

Regards

Its 10 Iuly till 10 August than...we should be a free of moderation Forum...
and if this gets ok...
Gents we can go for it..

Yes I agree and I would also like to suggest that an effective council is formed that has the job as initially intended in the reforms of 2 months ago. The only difference is that it should be formed out of members instead of moderators.

http://z7.invisionfree.com/worldconflictsf...?showtopic=2628

Let us make first this test and than go further Cid...(my re-suggestion)
so we can see how it runs...

No restricktions...except personal swearing/insulting which will be not allowed at any cost...

I agree with the suggestion (test?) and i believe that the forum will not only survive but it will function better in this way.. it will become more "alive" too..

Still, i don't see any post or apology from Cameleon.. and i find it at least provoking to see replies of other mods and admins on the problems that he caused while he is mute... is he hidding till the thing settles? does he believe that he didn't do anything wrong? is an apology that difficult to say?

I believe that everyone sould come front and accept his mistakes or present his arguments if he feels that he didn't do anything wrong.. and cameleon should do the same thing...

I will not post anything else till he comes with something of the above...

Ok,lets try it.This should be at least an interesting experiment.

I don't agree, but since am the minority here...

@Hades

I only agree to give it a try,like I said before its an interesting experiment.But I don't agree to it it as a permanent situation.

So be it! There is no moderation, but still we have -thanks's God- administration. Heheheheheheeeee. :yeehaw:

I'm not sure if that is the right solution. I would think most of the current members are mature enough to respect each other. However, what will happen when somebody started the bashing other side while playing within the rules (no personal assults), we have seen only recently one master on this that took months to get rid of (and I already have my suspisions that he (or at least his spirit) is back with a different nick )

This being said, this may increase the participation to the forum. After all, nobody likes the liveless, facts forums.

@Dourios...

Dear friend...i know your stand...and even if i dont cover your demand for an appologie...I will try.

I Appologies to you...for not seeing the fact ...that some activitys could be avoided.
As an person with my experiance i should perform better...
If Cameleon made mistakes...
i have only to say he is a mod...and i supposevly the admin...so i have the ressponsibility to appologie....not He...
He interfiered because he wanted to avoid the WCF in flames...and with hes views the thread were tracked to this...
maybe it was wrong...maybe if we are to strickt to over controlling views and opinion...there is no liberty ...
But believe me...all this comes out of the experiance of WAFF...and the results...of it.
now its time to go on...
we saw who is serious and who cant be serious...
everybody understood...whats all about ...and were someone gets over the line...

Therefore please accept my appologies ... for not interviening quiq enough ...for a better solution.
Nor better explanation...
Therefore my suggestion for a test month of free moderation...has followed...

accept my suggestion...

I know that even if you dont..our friendship will remain...
But i prefer have you in the forum...instead of outside the forum...


Regards

Lord

I am going to say this : For me the ''Collision'' thread was very important.Maybe the most important of all since we started this forum.From the begining I asked everyone to be sensitive,to step lightly,to show respect to the dead.For my standarts many didn't(for their own reasons).

All I tried was to keep the topic on the right track.Thats all I have to say on this matter.

I voted against it...even if we have sometimes some trouble it is nothing to change the whole system.

You didn't have to do this Lord and my aim was not to have such a "personalised" apology to me by anyone.. what i wanted was actually the post by cameleon right under your post...

that particular phrase.. and possibly a "sorry if i did a crapy job" by cameleon..

I know that cameleons intentions were not bad.. but he did mistakes (as all people do).. lots of mistakes and someone has to say something about them.. and first of all cameleon himself must present the "whys" behind his actions when they are so much critisized by so many members..

Everyone.. even mods (or better mods above all others) sould come front and appologise or explain their actions.. that's the way democracy works too... not stay mute and hide behind their title or the protection of other forum members..

I was reading recently the editorial by Cristogiannakis in the latest "Elliniki Amyna" issue.. in this he says that Turkey acts provocative because noone ever made Turkey understand that what it's doing is bad... Turks feel that whatever they did or do they have the right to do it.. that's why they don't feel any regret about it and they don't change attitude... (lets not start a GT dispute on that phrase please, i state it for other reasons here)

I find the moderation practice by cameleon quite similar to that.. and i don't want to leave things like this because for sure they will appear again.. everyone should take responsibility for his actions and should be able to understand his mistakes and appologise for them.. or at least explain the reasons behind them...

We are not in WAFF here.. we know eatch other quite well.. we know why we left WAFF and how "bad" moderation was crusial for that decision.. i wouldn't like to see something similar happening here, especially when moderation is not bad intentionally or for serving some other purpose but just by accident..
We started this place for having a crystal clear, democratic and mature discussion environment.. for this, mods should prove that they can keep it this way and disolve any "clouds" whenever they appear instead of staying above the issues and play God..

That's why i "exposed" myself in that way exagurating my reactions.. that was the point i wanted to make.. and i hope that everyone can understand it.. especially cameleon to whom i have nothing against personaly.. i actually like him alot...

This is not a "duo".. it's a matter of how things should be... a matter of handlig the responsibility the role of a mod carries... it's a matter of respect to all forum members and to ourself..

Ok..i think the case closed...and we can make a better continiouing...

Regards

and Thanks to all of you..

I vote yes. Of course within reason as Lord stated. I think it will make the forum better, because it will help us find the delicate line of moderation, once we see how the forum behaves itself. And for this, I have just started another thread. Might even help show some people how to behave themselvs :rolleyes: :lol:

@ Lord,

my respects to you brother for having the courage and vision to try something that would normaly never even be even be considered... similar to fighting fire with fire as they say... That is what true leaders do... :hathello: