I am looking for detailed OOB info for the Turkish and Greek Army for a wargame design.

I am looking for unit designations and locations not just number of brigades/divisions.
(see for example:
http://www.tdg.nu/OOBs/1946%2B/oob_turkey_1996.htm)

I have some detailed info on the Greek Army but have been unable to find any details on the structure and unit designations of the Turkish Army (other than the link above).

Any help would be greatly appreciated

Lok welcome...

your link dosent work...
It would be great if you can fix it...so maybe we can help you..

Regards

Sorry about that
Try this link.

http://www.tdg.nu/indexoobmodern.html

It has both the Greek and Turkish OOB. They are outdated (1996) and there are some obvious omissions (the entire 2nd Army has been left out).
I do not need the TOE - just the unit type/designation and deployment.
I have used Amyntiki Biblos in the past but it is not very specific below the corps level for the Turkish Army (it's more specific for the Greek Army).
Other sources (e.g. Military Balance, books, and on-line sources tend to just list the number of bdes/divisions).

Another source is:

http://www.orbat.com/

but you have to pay for the modern OOB's and I am not sure how accurate they are for Greece and Turkey.

By looking at a few brigades and their units that i know about i can say that this is quite outdated.. Thats all i can help you with tho.. :rolleyes:

Thanks anway. I thought it was outdated and also incorrect to begin with (entire 2nd Army is missing). thanks for confirmation anyway. At least can you tell me if the number of bdes is correct as listed on this site:

http://warriorsoul.4t.com/army.html

(It seems to be missing the Airborne bde unless it is included in the Cdo Bdes)

Picards ( who is a respected member of this forum as well) site is one of the best you can find about TAF on the net. The info there is compiled from open sources and he updates it as new info emerges.. I think paratroopers are included in commando brigades but he can provide you with better details.

The Kayseri Airborne Commando Brigade is indeed included in the 5 commando brigades listed.

thanks. I assumed that was the case.
A couple of quick questions regarding the OOB on your website:

Is the Special Operations Division Tactical divisional HQ for the 4 (or 5) Commando Bdes? If not, that would amount to 7-8 Cdo Bdes!

The 1 Mech Infantry Division (with 1 armored and 1 mechanized brigades)+1 commando Brigade assigned to NATO

Again is this a case of Tactical HQ where the constituent unis are drawn from the 14 Armored/Mech and the 5 Cdo Bdes?

Last question:
I was under the impression that the number of infantry bdes was reduced to something like 7?

thanks

Special Operations Division has nothing to do with the Commando Brigades. It has 2 Special Forces brigades and operates under the command of General Staff. Commando Brigades operates under the Command of the Army HQ that they are listed in. Sf and Commando are two different stories.

You can also add to those commando brigades gendarmerrie commando brigade it may look like a paramilitary force but it is a regular commando force.

[QUOTE]The 1 Mech Infantry Division (with 1 armored and 1 mechanized brigades)+1 commando Brigade assigned to NATO

Again is this a case of Tactical HQ where the constituent unis are drawn from the 14 Armored/Mech and the 5 Cdo Bdes?[QUOTE]

They are not drawn but reserved from brigades for NATO assignments. I don't remember a commando brigade under The 28th Mech Infantry Division.

1. As baris75 said, SF HQ has nothing to do with the commando brigades. The main manpower of commando brigades is conscripts who are just serving their mandatory time. SF HQ is attached to the General Staff. Don't let the name "SF Division" fool you. The SF HQ is on "Division" level for administrative purposes only, which includes support units, administrative staff, etc. The combatant units are much more less than that.

2. Of course units assigned to NATO missions have been reserved from within the listed divisions/brigades. I have misstated this info so I just corrected it. Check the web site again. I now provide this information as a "note" rather than a separate item of the list.

3. I made another correction on the page. 12 refers to the number of Infantry Brigades + Homeland Security Brigades. As far as I know, the break-down of 12 is:

7 Infantry Brigades + 5 Homeland Security Brigades

So yes, if you exclude the homeland security brigades, the number comes down to 7.

thanks...much appreciated.

As far as I know regarding the commando brigades:

1st Komando brigade - location Kayseri (speculation that this unit may number up to 8,000 men).

2nd Komando brigade - location Bolu.

3rd Hakkari Dag (mountain) Komando brigade - location Hakkari (near Iraqi border).

4th Komando brigade - location Tunceli.

5th Komando brigade - location Ankara? possibly assigned to the 4th Corps (Nato peacekeeping).

Amfibi Deniz Piyade (Marine) brigade - location Izmir/Foca.

The Jandarma commando units, as far as I know, are structured as independant companies/battalions/regiments. Not brigades. Approximate troop strength is probably around 20,000.

Efeler, now there is a Gengermarrie Commando Brigade Commanded by a Br.General located in a city in SE Turkey. Also, there is a Army Corps HQ in Ankara (Security Army Corps) under which the whole spec. op., security and commando units of gendarmerrie is gathered. 5th Commando Brigade is located in Siirt.

Hello, I'm new here and I am also looking for a turkish order of battle down to brigade level + the order of battle of the O.K.K. I would appreciate if someone offers me a hand here. Thanks anyway.