Title: Spain Ordering 5 Frigates for Over EUR 1.1 Bn
Nutuk - May 30, 2006 07:29 PM (GMT)
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| Spain Ordering 5 Frigates for Over EUR 1.1 Bn Defense-Aerospace translates a Spanish Ministry of Defence release noting that have launched the contractual process for the procurement of Spain's fifth F100 Alvaro de Bazan Class AEGIS frigate, and of four new light Buques de Accion Maritima (BAM) project frigates whose total cost is estimated at EUR 1.1 billion ($1.4 billion at current conversion).  F100 Aegis frigate The BAM program is intended to replace Spain's light patrol vessels, which have limited use outside the inshore littoral zone and are nearing the end of their operational life. The roles that are planned for the new BAM ships reportedly include naval presence and control, minor protection roles for merchant shipping and small naval units (which seems to imply a potential anti-piracy role), special forces pick-up and delivery, fisheries and environmental roles, surveillance, and search-and-rescue. The translated release notes that: "The BAM ships will be 94 meters long, displace about 2,500 tonnes, have a helicopter landing pad, and will be capable of attaining a maximum speed of 20 knots. Crewed by 40 officers and ratings, they will have a range of 8,000 nautical miles and will carry enough supplies for missions of up to 40 days at sea." IMO these BAM ships are not really frigates but more of corvette like the Milgem and LCS The government's investment is intended to support Spanish industry, requiring a total of 6.83 million man-hours of work and supporting 500 jobs at Navantia's Ferreol shipyard and another 400 at its Cadiz shipyard over the next five years. Navantia's shipyards at Ferrol, Cartagena and Cadiz are also building a "Strategic Projection Ship" (LHD), a logistic supply ship, and four S-80 Scorpene submarines.  The DCN/Navantia Scorpenes were chosen by India in a recent $3.5 billion deal, the Strategic Projection ship is the favourite to become the base of Australia's upcoming A$ 2 billion Large Amphibious Ships program, and the F100 frigate is an underdog against the American DDG-51 Arleigh Burke Class destroyer to become the baseline for Australia's A$4.5 billion Air Warfare Destroyer program. http://www.defenseindustrydaily.com/2006/0.../index.php#more |
orko_8 - May 30, 2006 07:47 PM (GMT)
Just a note: F-100 Alvaro de Bazan uses SM-2MR missiles for area defense.
modus - May 31, 2006 08:10 AM (GMT)
Dear Nutuk,
Thanks for the news. I think that the BAM vessels (and especially given their price; i.e. EUR 1.1 Billion - 5th AAW Firgate / 4 = 100+ Million EURs) could be better classified as blueseas patrol boats with cutter missions. Most probably they will not be equipped with state-of-the-art weaponry and sensors. From the mission definition we can safely assume that the ships will have:
1 x 57 or 76 mm DP Gun
Various medium caliber guns, may be of STAMP class
1 x CIWS (Meroka) or PDMS (RAM)
I don't expect SSMs, Torpedoes, SAMs etc.
Thanks for the news. I think that the BAM vessels (and especially given their price; i.e. EUR 1.1 Billion - 5th AAW Firgate / 4 = 100+ Million EURs) could be better classified as blueseas patrol boats with cutter missions. Most probably they will not be equipped with state-of-the-art weaponry and sensors. From the mission definition we can safely assume that the ships will have:
1 x 57 or 76 mm DP Gun
Various medium caliber guns, may be of STAMP class
1 x CIWS (Meroka) or PDMS (RAM)
I don't expect SSMs, Torpedoes, SAMs etc.
Lord - May 31, 2006 08:51 AM (GMT)
indeed Hakan...
I observe the Spaniards for quit time now...
They have make tremendous effort in there Navy...amazing.
I think there whole fleet is the most modern fleet in Europe...very impressive.
For a nation that has not a 'near rival"...they have managed to gain a very big/modern naval power..
I observe the Spaniards for quit time now...
They have make tremendous effort in there Navy...amazing.
I think there whole fleet is the most modern fleet in Europe...very impressive.
For a nation that has not a 'near rival"...they have managed to gain a very big/modern naval power..
beleg - May 31, 2006 08:56 AM (GMT)
Hehe the price per ship is ~3-4 4th gen fighter aircraft price which validates modus' idea imo..
Lord - May 31, 2006 09:03 AM (GMT)
yes yes no doubt Beleg...
But dont lose the whole picture...
I mean the ships are SPAIN MADE...with alot of systems which are spanish...
also consider what work they give to there Homeland and what Tech Know how they gained from this...
I think the wider picture is that Spain...was before 2-3 decades in the same level as Greece ...and now they are some decades in front of us...in all terms...
But dont lose the whole picture...
I mean the ships are SPAIN MADE...with alot of systems which are spanish...
also consider what work they give to there Homeland and what Tech Know how they gained from this...
I think the wider picture is that Spain...was before 2-3 decades in the same level as Greece ...and now they are some decades in front of us...in all terms...
beleg - May 31, 2006 09:37 AM (GMT)
True indeed.. However imho , had we solved our problems today , in a few decades we'd be in same position with them. When you have no urgency to buy weapon systems, you can cost efficiently develop them. Turkish Navy is building the Milgem which hopefully will pave the way for local design of future needs of the Navy..
Lord - May 31, 2006 11:15 AM (GMT)
Yes Beleg....you have a point here...
But Milgem is about frigattes no mostly no?
The spaniards are wide in front us in all levels..and classes...
@Nutuk Thanks bro for the Topic..you gaved me the oppurtunity to add some Spanish Navy infos in here...
I can remember having alot of arguments with Spanish WAFF members in the past about our navys..
But at that moment we cant compare our Navys...not anymore.
Regards
But Milgem is about frigattes no mostly no?
The spaniards are wide in front us in all levels..and classes...
@Nutuk Thanks bro for the Topic..you gaved me the oppurtunity to add some Spanish Navy infos in here...
I can remember having alot of arguments with Spanish WAFF members in the past about our navys..
But at that moment we cant compare our Navys...not anymore.
Regards
Lord - May 31, 2006 11:30 AM (GMT)
http://www.geocities.com/Pentagon/2776/
Here is a list of there ships...
man I love this Carrier... :rolleyes:
Here is a list of there ships...
man I love this Carrier... :rolleyes:
Nutuk - May 31, 2006 09:00 PM (GMT)
It's my pleasure Modus, Lord, no need for thanks :thumbsup:
Spain's light patrol vessels Buques de Accion Maritima (BAM):
http://www.lavozdegalicia.es/archivos/pdf/buque.pdf
Seems that a lot of armies in the world turn to corvettes: the US (LCS), Germany (K130), Russia (project xxx), Turkey (Milgem), Spain (BAM).
The choice to go for Milgem corvettes looks like a superb decission by the Turkish navy. :thumbsup:
Spain's light patrol vessels Buques de Accion Maritima (BAM):
http://www.lavozdegalicia.es/archivos/pdf/buque.pdf
Seems that a lot of armies in the world turn to corvettes: the US (LCS), Germany (K130), Russia (project xxx), Turkey (Milgem), Spain (BAM).
The choice to go for Milgem corvettes looks like a superb decission by the Turkish navy. :thumbsup:
modus - June 1, 2006 06:52 AM (GMT)
Dear Nutuk,
I think BAM class can be classified as an Off-Shore Patrol Vessel (OPV), but not a corvette. In recent trends (also in 20-year past trends) corvettes are equiped with sufficient sensors and armament two assume at least two out of three basic missions: OPV, ASW, ASuW.
Here is the photo of the class that I've cut off from the pdf file you've sent above:
Here we see OTO MELARA 76/62 Super Rapido Gun, 2 x 12.7 HMG (or 20 mm guns). Sensor suit, in addition to the navigation radar and the LPI radar, include a Sting-equivalent fire control radar and optronics (most probably for the OTO gun).
We see a 10-ton class helicopter, with FLIR mounted in the nose (NH-90).
Propulsion seems to include four diesels with 2 shafts, with increased maneovrability thanks to the propellers at the foreship.
No ASW, or ASuW (SSM) sensors and armament exist in the design.
I think BAM class can be classified as an Off-Shore Patrol Vessel (OPV), but not a corvette. In recent trends (also in 20-year past trends) corvettes are equiped with sufficient sensors and armament two assume at least two out of three basic missions: OPV, ASW, ASuW.
Here is the photo of the class that I've cut off from the pdf file you've sent above:
Here we see OTO MELARA 76/62 Super Rapido Gun, 2 x 12.7 HMG (or 20 mm guns). Sensor suit, in addition to the navigation radar and the LPI radar, include a Sting-equivalent fire control radar and optronics (most probably for the OTO gun).
We see a 10-ton class helicopter, with FLIR mounted in the nose (NH-90).
Propulsion seems to include four diesels with 2 shafts, with increased maneovrability thanks to the propellers at the foreship.
No ASW, or ASuW (SSM) sensors and armament exist in the design.
DirtyBird - June 1, 2006 12:30 PM (GMT)
Looks like its no more than a coast guard cutter. Spain has had some disputes regarding fishries boundries in the past, these vessels might be designed with fishries enforcement in mind rather than any sort of combat. Hence the lack of ASW or AShW capabilities.
Nutuk - June 1, 2006 09:32 PM (GMT)
Re Modus,
Although you are right about no weapons and radar suit on the picture, I do think that in the end an additional weapon and radar suit will be incorporated to this BAM corvette.
The vessel is in design phase and is estimated to be between 1800 and 2500 tonnes which is IMO way to heavy to be just a simple blueseas patrol boat with cutter missions.
Besides take notice of the incorporated sonar section in the front and reserved place for surface to surface missiles on top of the ship.
Although you are right about no weapons and radar suit on the picture, I do think that in the end an additional weapon and radar suit will be incorporated to this BAM corvette.
The vessel is in design phase and is estimated to be between 1800 and 2500 tonnes which is IMO way to heavy to be just a simple blueseas patrol boat with cutter missions.
Besides take notice of the incorporated sonar section in the front and reserved place for surface to surface missiles on top of the ship.
modus - June 2, 2006 08:13 AM (GMT)
Dear Nutuk,
We're speaking of the current design now. Besides, I don't think that there is a sonar dome at the bow. The tonnage (1800 - 2000) is OK for an OPV. See US Coast Guard cutters for example...
My best
We're speaking of the current design now. Besides, I don't think that there is a sonar dome at the bow. The tonnage (1800 - 2000) is OK for an OPV. See US Coast Guard cutters for example...
My best