@123-t

Dear Friend...I haid promissed you some articels abouted..But unfortune i can remember in what thread we talked about...so i opened an new one for you and every other members whos interestes to read the articels

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1st paragraph:

the author sets up the thesis that we arent situated in an "information economy" or "knowledge economy" but in an "economy of attention"

arguments:

- In order to find "appropriate" information in the internet, every internet consumer has to struggle his way through the masses of information (a lot of it is junk) --> every year we figure out an increase of 7 % in new information and only a 3% growth in "consumption"

- internet sites try to attract the consumer´s attention

Interesting point of perspective, but what do they want the internet users to consume, the information? In such case the internet is becoming a giant lobby platform/system :ph43r:

How do you find this argumentation/Theses..?

Did you read part..about Discoverys who will change the World..?

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Lord, thanks for the article.
Unfortunately I am not very fast in reading ;)
I will try to sum up the entire article as fast as I can.




To the first thesis:

I think the thesis isnt far-fetched. We can discuss it...



Possible questions are:


Is this huge mass of information "good" ?
Is the process lead by anyone ?
Does the plenty of information serve certain interests (as Cid said) ?
Is it maybe only a temporary phenomenon ?

It is a fact that unparalelled quantities of information is stored into the internet. Human society had never experienced something like it and also does not exactly know how to deal with it. We see the tendency of people acknowledging information from certain sites as simple facts. For example Wikipedia is largely seen as factual without people questioning whether these information are correctly formulated or applied. And about the background of the people writing the information, do they have certain level of expertise on the relevant area of knowledge.

Also similarly we can see a tendency in the other direction, where people seem to question everything that is questionable falling into a conspiracy world. This results in huge quantity of unrelevant or even unproper information which we could call trash. So in the end people do not know how to use or apply all the available information and tend to regard /see/use it either in 2 extremes, facts or non facts. I believe information is more then just 2 extremes and people should learn to see and apply the information in different levels of perspection rather than absolutes.

So you believe there is a certain lack of ability to deal appropriately with information.

Leading either to an atmosphere of simple unquestioned acceptance of information or fantasizing/irrationality...


So to some extent you demand a certain knowledge to deal with knowledge.
Somehow also an authority that provides this service.

Perhaps the Iraqs Ministry of Information hahahhahaha

But seriously I think its problematic to have an authority to resolve on the issue, because the authority (with involvement of politics) will eventually corrupt the information. I think rather its esential that on individual basis people develop to think independant and with rational but yet flexibel enough in order to properly process the information in their mind. Properly in sense that it finds balance between the relativity of the information in practice and theory (LOL does that make sense?)

Not necessarily an authority that leads to some kind of ideology related censorship but more an authority that educates the individual to be critical in the process of knowledge acquisition.

So simply to achieve to create a basis of knowledge before simply let the individual alone in the "jungle of information" ;) .




Or is that possible without a societal intervention.
Simply through the autodidactic potential of the individual ?
Probably not at an early age.

But how will this authority be sustained if there is no legal/political backing. I mean in the end its the State which is enforcing education not the parents LOL.

But I agree that the mind of a child is uproperly developed to survive the information jungle. Certain education/training is needed, which for now relies on the hands of technocratic, ethically and morally disciplined teachers (too many factors).

Also the character of mankind is of importance. in todays information overflood, which character of mankind will reveal it self most; the nature of researching/contemplating/thinking or the nature of approval-dissaproval/exceptance-disacceptance/loving-hating

Since internet is today more or less the most important information platform in households there is a need to build up some kind of parental guidance.


The question of survival in the jungle is interesting.
It is associated to the question:

What society do we want ?
What individuals will there be ?

2nd paragraph:

thesis:


The person that is able to attract people and to survive the battle of information will be the one whose "plan of reality" will come into existence.

In two words:
PARADIGM SHIFT --> a fundamental change in scientific thought and perception of the world


arguments:

- happened quite often in history that a new more clear view of the world came into existence
comparison: Galileo Galilei, Charles Darwin, Albert Einstein --> thinkers that set up a new paradigm which changed our view of ourselves and our environment

Both of you are right ...and very good...
later on i will add my thoughts too Gents...


Regards

I would really like to have the oppurtunity to read the article :(

Perhaps we should place an advertisement that we are searching for Greek-English and Turkish-English translator students. Although we cant pay them, they can have a lott of practise here hehheheheheh

3rd paragraph:

historical overview of "paradigm shifts"
The article intensifies the description of the three great thinkers of mankind that are identified as the ones that established "paradigm shifts"

1. Galileo Galilei

- against the will of the church he implemented a new world picture. Consisting of the change from geocentric to the heliocentric world picture
He implemented this new perception and also implemented a paradigm shift.

2. Charles Darwin

- implemented a "paradigm shift" through his evolution theory ( natural selection and permanent antagonism leads to the survival of the fittest)


3. Albert Einstein

- with the theory of relativity Einstein also set up a "paradigm shift"

4th paragraph:

Besides scientists and utopian philosophers, inventors are the third group of people that change the world with their ideas. Nikola Tesla, probably the greatest "hacker" of all time, "invented" the 20th century. Tesla: "The future belongs to the one who is able to plan it and even to a greater extent to the one who is able to imagine it. This persons always contribute significantly to the advance of mankind."

The "creators" of the future are able to determine it since on a spiritual level they are already part of it.

Improvements of innovations can be designed but not the innovation itself. It has to be "born" in the human brain.

Paradoxically, great inventions are made in difficult times, as wars.

In contrast to Tesla´s time, inventors do not only cover a minimal part of society but a great. We live in a time with the most educated people ever.

Today we can turn from the role of the pathetic audience to the role energetic "choreographer" who actively is involved in the process.

5th paragraph:

The utopia hasnt died.

Every culture has a tendency to live its dreams. The dream of the West is called utopia. A new philosophical branch has been created through Thomas Moore`s utopia. Mankind dreamt of the earth as a paradise.

Communism was from a lot of perspectives an attempt to construct an utopia.

In modern times the dream of utoia has decreased due to urbanization, a globalized economy and technological advancement but hasnt been erased completely.

Utopia is a stranded ideal, which some people still want to free.

123-t you are own the way to get into the honor guard for translating ...comon...if you have time...try to translate the Hellenic Kingdoms articels...it will be a referendum... ;)

Thanks ...

What is the honor guard for translating ?

6th paragraph: (part 1)


Title: The new Utopians are here !


The search for modern Utopians leads us to futurologists, technogurus and postmodern philosophers, which have to do with the future world.

Significant names include:

- Alvin Toffler
- Nicolas Negroponte
- Peter Sloterdijk


Several thoughts of utopians/dystopians:

#Peter Sloterdijk imagines a world without nationalistic structures.

#Ray Kurzweil believes in a vision which consists of a paradisial world in which machines (with a greater brainpower than human beings) will control the world for the mankind.

#On the contrary, the dystopian Bill Joy fears a slavery of humanity by machines.

#Marvin Minsky thinks of a world where mankind will become animals of their calculators

#Francois Mitterand believes that the new technolgies and especially the internet will become a trap for the rich and will help the poor

#Jeremy Rifkin foresees the end of work and the coming of hydrogen

#Peter Schwartz foretells a similar good future concerning the technological advancement and the "capture" of Mars by 2020

6th paragraph: (part 2)

Continuing the list of modern Utopians and their thoughts:

# Lynn Margulis supports the theory of gaia and the harmonic symbiosis of mankind with mother earth

# Dale Spender foresees positive effects of the internet on civilisation and imagine a real knowledge society

# Slavoj Zizek similarily thinks of the internet as the means to attain "pure reality"

# Noam Chomsky struggles for a truly democratic society

# Antonio Negri and Michael Hardt write in "Empire" their manifesto of the 21st century

# Neil Postman belongs to the pioneers of the movement for a healthy "Mental Environment"

# Len Masterman supports the eminent role of schools for a balanced society

# Jerry Mander, chairman of the global forum against Globalization, emphasizes the fundamental danger television causes for health

# Cees J. Hamelink

# Robert McChesney critisizes the society of communication and says: "If the medium is the information, then the media need movement"



It has to be noted that the list of utopians has diminished since Karl Sagan, Michalis Dertouzos and Jacque Gusto left the scene.




The utopia hasnt died. "It is out there and wait for us. Are we ready to meet it ?"

I dont think Utopia can be achieved, since everyone has a different defenition of it. I believe the road to utopia (being good to others and yourself) is more important than reaching an Utopian society. Its actually the essence of it.

Inventions that will change the world:


Usually three scientific branches are mentioned if somebody is refering to inventions that will change the world:

- genetics
- nanotechnology
- artificial intelligence



According to the Newsweek magazine, from 30.06.2003, there are ten other inventions mentionable that will probably change the world:

- scan devices for the brain (BrainPix) that e.g. will enable to identify whether somebody is telling the truth and devices that will record every occurence of a human life in a detailed manner in order to revive everything that once happened (revitalisation of memory)

- genetic planning of children and development of new animal organs (e.g. liver) in order to transplant them in robotic operations

- inexpensive water extraction devices (exceptionally usefull for third world countries) and simple purification systems in order to remove toxicity and bacteria

- whether configuration systems that will enable to change whether conditions, to control of clouds and to create of artifical rain

- creation of new aromas and fragrance

- creation of genetically modified mice as ideal guinea-pigs for the production of vaccines against infectious sicknesses (as AIDS,tuberculosis...) but also for Alzheimer and cancer

- cryptograhy and creation of code which are impossible to break

- "clever" clothes that are able to have a permanent supervision over the health of the individual and clothes that make invisible

- new hybrid missile-jet engines designed for space shuttles at high velocities

- new free software from Microsoft in order to utilize third world computers and therefore secure monopoly position




The world changes, fortunately we dont know it...

Illuminati, enlightenment and ... Buddha


In May 1st of 1776, Adam Weisshaupt founded the Illuminati in Ingolstadt, Bavaria.

The goal of this secret organization was the liberation of the repressed countries in Europe from the monarchs, the furtherance of a human-centered philosophy and the strengthening of the improvement of mankind through logic.

Their plan failed since the Bavarian authorities were able to stop the ambitious "rebels" in 1784. Most of the members were arrested.

The group was destroyed but their ideas survived.


Some regard the Illuminati as the initiators of enlightenment which lead to the French Revolution, changing thereby the history of mankind.

The notion of enlightenment doesnt comprise european exclusiveness. It also exists in China, Arabia and India. The difference between European and Eastern is that the first one is based upon logic and the second one on religion.



The supposed dominance of the ratio is a myth. Real rationalism, that is to say right thinking, is something exceptional rare, nearly utopian.



The human being is a progressive experiment of free choice, with dubious outcome.

This is a sample version of 123-translator:


Complete translation of "The new illuminati"



1st paragraph:

the author sets up the thesis that we arent situated in an "information economy" or "knowledge economy" but in an "economy of attention"

arguments:

- In order to find "appropriate" information in the internet, every internet consumer has to struggle his way through the masses of information (a lot of it is junk) --> every year we figure out an increase of 7 % in new information and only a 3% growth in "consumption"

- internet sites try to attract the consumer´s attention





2nd paragraph:

thesis:


The person that is able to attract people and to survive the battle of information will be the one whose "plan of reality" will come into existence.

In two words:
PARADIGM SHIFT --> a fundamental change in scientific thought and perception of the world


arguments:

- happened quite often in history that a new more clear view of the world came into existence
comparison: Galileo Galilei, Charles Darwin, Albert Einstein --> thinkers that set up a new paradigm which changed our view of ourselves and our environment



3rd paragraph:

historical overview of "paradigm shifts"
The article intensifies the description of the three great thinkers of mankind that are identified as the ones that established "paradigm shifts"

1. Galileo Galilei

- against the will of the church he implemented a new world picture. Consisting of the change from geocentric to the heliocentric world picture
He implemented this new perception and also implemented a paradigm shift.

2. Charles Darwin

- implemented a "paradigm shift" through his evolution theory ( natural selection and permanent antagonism leads to the survival of the fittest)


3. Albert Einstein

- with the theory of relativity Einstein also set up a "paradigm shift"



4th paragraph:

Besides scientists and utopian philosophers, inventors are the third group of people that change the world with their ideas. Nikola Tesla, probably the greatest "hacker" of all time, "invented" the 20th century. Tesla: "The future belongs to the one who is able to plan it and even to a greater extent to the one who is able to imagine it. This persons always contribute significantly to the advance of mankind."

The "creators" of the future are able to determine it since on a spiritual level they are already part of it.

Improvements of innovations can be designed but not the innovation itself. It has to be "born" in the human brain.

Paradoxically, great inventions are made in difficult times, as wars.

In contrast to Tesla´s time, inventors do not only cover a minimal part of society but a great. We live in a time with the most educated people ever.

Today we can turn from the role of the pathetic audience to the role energetic "choreographer" who actively is involved in the process.



5th paragraph:

The utopia hasnt died.

Every culture has a tendency to live its dreams. The dream of the West is called utopia. A new philosophical branch has been created through Thomas Moore`s utopia. Mankind dreamt of the earth as a paradise.

Communism was from a lot of perspectives an attempt to construct an utopia.

In modern times the dream of utoia has decreased due to urbanization, a globalized economy and technological advancement but hasnt been erased completely.

Utopia is a stranded ideal, which some people still want to free.




6th paragraph: (part 1)


Title: The new Utopians are here !


The search for modern Utopians leads us to futurologists, technogurus and postmodern philosophers, which have to do with the future world.

Significant names include:

- Alvin Toffler
- Nicolas Negroponte
- Peter Sloterdijk


Several thoughts of utopians/dystopians:

#Peter Sloterdijk imagines a world without nationalistic structures.

#Ray Kurzweil believes in a vision which consists of a paradisial world in which machines (with a greater brainpower than human beings) will control the world for the mankind.

#On the contrary, the dystopian Bill Joy fears a slavery of humanity by machines.

#Marvin Minsky thinks of a world where mankind will become animals of their calculators

#Francois Mitterand believes that the new technolgies and especially the internet will become a trap for the rich and will help the poor

#Jeremy Rifkin foresees the end of work and the coming of hydrogen

#Peter Schwartz foretells a similar good future concerning the technological advancement and the "capture" of Mars by 2020



6th paragraph: (part 2)

Continuing the list of modern Utopians and their thoughts:

# Lynn Margulis supports the theory of gaia and the harmonic symbiosis of mankind with mother earth

# Dale Spender foresees positive effects of the internet on civilisation and imagine a real knowledge society

# Slavoj Zizek similarily thinks of the internet as the means to attain "pure reality"

# Noam Chomsky struggles for a truly democratic society

# Antonio Negri and Michael Hardt write in "Empire" their manifesto of the 21st century

# Neil Postman belongs to the pioneers of the movement for a healthy "Mental Environment"

# Len Masterman supports the eminent role of schools for a balanced society

# Jerry Mander, chairman of the global forum against Globalization, emphasizes the fundamental danger television causes for health

# Cees J. Hamelink

# Robert McChesney critisizes the society of communication and says: "If the medium is the information, then the media need movement"



It has to be noted that the list of utopians has diminished since Karl Sagan, Michalis Dertouzos and Jacque Gusto left the scene.




The utopia hasnt died. "It is out there and wait for us. Are we ready to meet it ?"




Inventions that will change the world:


Usually three scientific branches are mentioned if somebody is refering to inventions that will change the world:

- genetics
- nanotechnology
- artificial intelligence



According to the Newsweek magazine, from 30.06.2003, there are ten other inventions mentionable that will probably change the world:

- scan devices for the brain (BrainPix) that e.g. will enable to identify whether somebody is telling the truth and devices that will record every occurence of a human life in a detailed manner in order to revive everything that once happened (revitalisation of memory)

- genetic planning of children and development of new animal organs (e.g. liver) in order to transplant them in robotic operations

- inexpensive water extraction devices (exceptionally usefull for third world countries) and simple purification systems in order to remove toxicity and bacteria

- whether configuration systems that will enable to change whether conditions, to control of clouds and to create of artifical rain

- creation of new aromas and fragrance

- creation of genetically modified mice as ideal guinea-pigs for the production of vaccines against infectious sicknesses (as AIDS,tuberculosis...) but also for Alzheimer and cancer

- cryptograhy and creation of code which are impossible to break

- "clever" clothes that are able to have a permanent supervision over the health of the individual and clothes that make invisible

- new hybrid missile-jet engines designed for space shuttles at high velocities

- new free software from Microsoft in order to utilize third world computers and therefore secure monopoly position




The world changes, fortunately we dont know it...




Illuminati, enlightenment and ... Buddha


In May 1st of 1776, Adam Weisshaupt founded the Illuminati in Ingolstadt, Bavaria.

The goal of this secret organization was the liberation of the repressed countries in Europe from the monarchs, the furtherance of a human-centered philosophy and the strengthening of the improvement of mankind through logic.

Their plan failed since the Bavarian authorities were able to stop the ambitious "rebels" in 1784. Most of the members were arrested.

The group was destroyed but their ideas survived.


Some regard the Illuminati as the initiators of enlightenment which lead to the French Revolution, changing thereby the history of mankind.

The notion of enlightenment doesnt comprise european exclusiveness. It also exists in China, Arabia and India. The difference between European and Eastern is that the first one is based upon logic and the second one on religion.



The supposed dominance of the ratio is a myth. Real rationalism, that is to say right thinking, is something exceptional rare, nearly utopian.



The human being is a progressive experiment of free choice, with dubious outcome.

One of the most interesting parts of the article is probably the part about inventions.

1. Some of the inventions are to a great extent "acceptable" and don´t appear to cause any "concerns" (e.g. simple purification systems) since the advantages are obvious

2. The other (the majority) inventions, to different extents, might cause different problems
(religious, environmental, moral, economic...)