I will start off with some comments made by Lord and Beleg in another thread, then add my thoughts.


Originaly Posted By (OPB): Lord

OPB Beleg

OPB Lord

This should be a good discussion :drink2:

My thoughts...

Fundamental question... It seems that in most cases you mention, the immirgants in their respective new countries, do not resort to direct terror. Trueth is it doesnt work, and perhaps thats why the above cases do not resort to violent terror. And also that all the advantages are to the other side.

Now, what the Mexicans are doing in the US is called "Conquest of Aztlan". Sorry guys, this in not from any link, though I'm sure you can find many on it, this is from Mexicans themselves. And this is, the re-gaining of the territories lost in the Mexican-American war (SW USA), through the actual civilian system itself... Gaining places in government one at a time, gaining majority cities one at a time (there was a National Geographic on this, I'll see if I can find it...). Now this has made them be a larger minority than any, and gained them dozens of major cities, and an ever-growing representation in the congress.

Now please, someone tell me, which is more effective? Toe to toe fighting away from home with no logisticts, fighting 100:1 odds... Or what the mexicans are doing in the US, and a lesser degree Maroccans in Spain, Algerians in France, etc. They win much more by numbers and political influence than they could ever do with "terrorism" (in quotes because its just a matter of perspective and situations).

Whitch leads me to my conclusion... I believe terrorism in the real sence, is the final act of desparation of a people who have been mistreated and fanaticized. They have no positive impact from the power they are (or simply percieve) under. They have no positive horizon. Foriegn powers influence their living enviroment more than their own gov. They in many cases have lived great injustice, and in others, been trained from youth. They cannot go further down, and they have no way up, so its fight by any means, or die by any means.

This ultimatley becomes a vicious (favlos) cycle, in which the responces by each side self perpatuates farther away than its adversary.


The root? Ultimately the people. The people in their own countries have to take controll of their own representation, and not have puppet or autocratic leaders. This way they can better unite, and better legitimately curcumvent the power over them. Only then can people reverse the vicious cycle, when they have home court, and they own the court.

Close example: Venezuela.

Very well stated.

edit* but......i have my objections..


The peacefull conquest of S.USA by Mexicans is an issue disturbing most WASPs, especially the Texans and Californians. However we must not come to conclusions too early. The system is still strong in USA and by time passes we will probably see a weakening in the will of Mexicans, an unbalance in the disturbance of wealth among them which will inevitably cause some to blame others as traitors to their own kind..

Terrorism cause of desperation? No my friend. Killing some innocent people just for some political gains cannot be described as act of desperation. Look at all the Marxist terrorists of 70s-80s.. What were they desparate about? They never tried even once , to spread their views peacefully. Had they tried maybe they would succeed but that would take a long time and probably then their leaders wouldnt be living to use the power.. Thus they resort to methods that would bring quick/faster results hoping like in the Soviet Revolution.

Tell me what desperateness was the Armenian diaspora was living in France when killing some Turkish diplomats, or planting bombs in an international airport killing civilians of different nationalities..

Tell me what desperateness were they living when protestan killed catholic and catholic killed protestan?

Tell me what desperateness is the Saudis living while they are sitting on the richest oil fields in the worls? Why isnt their glory or success as a nation of islam %1 of Ottomans(Turks) despite their richness?

Tell me what desperateness Ocalan had, when the president of country said at that time he is of half Kurdish origin like many mebers of our nation?

Tell me what is the desperateness of the Bali bomber when they are living in a country which has the richest resources of the world, most suitable to tourism etc?

None of these guys are/were desperate. That is only what they want you to believe. They r killing innocents,causing terror so that they can change the systems in the said coutries (or have other gains).. Someone who is desparate cannot even have a chance to try to change a system in a country...

Excactly my view too...of corse Iam not living in USA...

+1
To Belegs statement...
Iam not believing that "desperation" is the fundamental question of Terror...
Also i want to say that in the way the Mexicans are acting like Thermo says...Is a tremendous difference like the Al Quaida acts for excamble...
So in my believes... Economic "desperation" should be out of the Qestion...

The Black-Americans had the Black Panter movement in the 60's and 70's. Weren't they a terrorist organisation?

Well said beleg, certainly desperation is the root in only some of cases.

It most certainly can from the perspective of the person laying down his life at the moment. The foot soldiers are the ones that die the most, and they are the ones that are the most desperate. The people behind them pulling the strings are the ones with agendas. Their difference is that for a plethora of reasons, do not choose to gain conceccions from civi methids. Perhaps it is even for them to keep their people in desparation to perpatuate themselfs...

I knew this question would come up... But No they werent a terror organisation...
I dont think they blow up them selfs causing killings of hundrets or thousands...
It was more or less a self defence... with rightfull reasons I guess...

Fore me the main curse of Terror still is the fanatism...which is spret via Religion...

Possible roots for al-kaeda like terrorism:

1. poverty/starvation (not necessarily desperation) --> "open" to join groups that nurture the individual and additionally teach strong unilateral ideologies that declare mostly Western living style as decadent and dangerous for their world picture.
--> ideolody is incarnated in the mind of the mostly young individuals
--> combined with a strong metaphysical sanctioning e.g. paradise it could lead to the motivation to commit suicide to save the world (saver theory)

2. experiencing as a foreigner in the Western World a strong mentality of not belonging to society --> creating massive rage against the whole society and able to destroy it (outsider theory)


Annotations:

-Is the first "theory" based upon the need to belong to a society and succeed in it ?

-Is the multicultural society impossible with different views of the world ?

-Will the "democratization endeavours" of the USA better the conflict ?

@ Ghostface

Thats not my quote mate!

After your first question a new one is immidiatly born...what is succed..?
I mean i know our (west-world_ values)...
Whats theres...?
For the most of them...a mariage...making some 4-5 childs maybe? and thats it..and spending the rest of the day as a good anything...by praying?
Thats why i said we have to change our values by melting them...not accepting theres with multicultural BS...
No i cant hear the Mufti praying 5 times the day from the megaphone next to my door... (Iam not so progressive...) this counts even for my own church... If the bells are ringing to often ...lol

second question...

No it isnt its contempt to fail...because we will live the clashes...
As I said new values must be born...otherwise this society we are living ...is even contempt to fail it self...
Nothing bothers us anymore...we arent willing to risk for making some changes....we are sitting like fat arse cows into our canapes...and are happy...
because we want others to solve the problems for us...
were is the light....were is the lighting...? were is the spirit...?
Take the new generations....and make them simple but fair and unite...
i think we have to make the last 3 world war...for having this bigtime revolution...for getting rid of the weak part of our society the parasites...the fanatics....(Just a sick thought of mine....because it early in the morning and iam in work...lol)

Third question...

No it wont...after the ww2...The Us haid to deal mostly with Christian states...except the sowjets....were nothing of religious excist anymore...and they hated anything else than commis...
The japanese haid to suffer two atomic bombs ...to learn the word surender...
(ANOTHER paradeigm how sick a different view of living can be...(the japanese style of life)...)
Every were else the US politic contempt...especially were force were used...
The only thing that saved the US was there tremendous big resources of simply everthing///
Now...the marshal plan was a succes in the christian states...they haid the (Roman heritage)...the rest was a failure...
But the US didnt learned anything...Because even if they lost alot of time and money and menpower...as i said...there resources were big enough to let the survive and save there and only there interests...
But we Europeans should not bitch about the US all the time...
If it werent for them...and the Brits could win the war alone...we haid there dump ass empire over our hats again...

Resume...
I thing the US boys make it simple....
Were are we...? Europe...? Ah ok...give them money and control the with money...they understand
Were are we...? Arabic countrys...? Give the slaps...hard slaps...because they dont know anything else...
and so on...
I dont know...But having this resources of the US...maybe just maybe...i say its the fastes way to make the world changing adopting your views///


Regards

:roflmao: I'd say +2 if I was schizophrenic!

Yes very true... In the Muslim part of of S. Thailand, there arent even 5% Bhuddist temples let alone churches. And the 5 times a day was inescapeable... they had the megaphones on a grid across all the villages, so they could even be heard between the villages :damn: :rolleyes: In one area of about 60.000-80.000 people they only had one temple and it was closed :( And of course this is their national religion...

That makes me think of a perfectly related experience... The muslim majority have an insurgency in the south now, and are as well doing what the mexicans are doing in the US thourgh civi methods. In the 10 days I was there they had a terrorist attack. It was a motorbike bomb parked by a crowd. Two weeks later, when I was in the south east, there was another (in the ssouth, close to Malay-not where I was), a drive by with AK on a group of people waiting to cross a street-hitting 12 people including 2 Bhuddist monks (and killing one)... they are using both methods!

I found myself asking this many times... No leadership, no support... Passion is not supported, change is not supported... anything but the system those in power benifit from is resisted...

And you know were such situattion are bringing us...
We are willing to anything...even to thois propaganda fear ...
We are easy to handle...easy to be checked...GPS...big brothers... and we are sitting in the midle and are the real target....

Thats the scariest part of all, bro. How easy it is to "check" on people. Then they tell you "If you have nothing to hide, you won't mind being checked for the safety of others and yours". You see, RIGHT THERE we give away our power. We are relying on them for protection. I believe that if the gov protects our personal rights and freedom, we the citizens should protect our personal (not national) safety. Otherwise too much gov influence works its way into civi life. But some will agrue that at some point national intrest becomes personal safety. Well wheather this is true or not, I think that this is the main question the we the people (not govs) need to clarify... where is that line and how far (if at all) can it bend...

Besides that, check what? Why just "random" checks? Transperant citizens for the good of the citizens, or the good of the Power? People are now like a glass house, while before we were like a regular house. You had to come in to see... not any more... Besides, if one is minding their own business they should need a very good reason to check, not just "push a button"... But now, as you say, we are becoming the target, and in more way than one!

Citizens should stand up for our power and personal rights. But it all starts with us taking controll of our own gov... and as a whole, we have been "domesticated" too much for that. From now on, (especialy since armed revolution is virtualy impossible due to the resouce/access gap between "gov" and citizenry (not like when the citizens and gov had close to the same weapons and capacities)) nothing but the status quo, or rizika paromio (fundamentaly similar?) will do.

Oh boy, ok too much rambaling :rolleyes: or maybe not enough! :lol:

Cheers :drink: ,

The main root of terrorism is the bad and slow internet connections.. for months now i was about to rap myself with C4 and enter the premises of my ISP... when internet's good, everything's good..

(don't pay attention to my words, i'm just happy that i can surf again and i'm wasting my precious bandwidth on anything.. my precious!
sometime later when i'll be able to read all these interesting threads i'll come with serious comments.. for the time beeing just bare me or ignore me!!!!!)

--> Muslim religion.

Root of terrorism is people like you pytheus.. Ones that hate..

It's simple guys... Terror is the most effective way of controling the masses..
It's not a new thing and it is not something that is as simple as it is presented to us i believe..

Terror is the only common thing that people of diverse cultures, mentalities, edjucation, religion, social and wealth status, have... everyone is afraid for his/her life, way of living, children, relatives, belongings... so terror is the one and only way of controlling/influancing so many different people in a short time and in a consistent way...

The root of terror is the strugle for power and control.. nothing else.. and i'm not talking about the few desperate guys that will explode themselfes for making a hopeless stand (directed by others or not) but about the state controlled and chanelled terror that we live during the last 2 decades.. there is the problem not the fanatics...

In the past state control had the form of suppession.. now it has the form of suppresion and direct terror to opposing mases, and abstract terror threat to the internal mases... i personally doubt even the existance of terrorist organisations like Al Queda... there actions are very suitable and convenient to state terror policies... they seem almost orchestrated...

I agree with Dourios that exagerating the threat of terrorism is a way to control the masses and let te government act like it wants to and push away civil liberties.

Have a look at this recent video: -> Jon Stewart

Whats that again Pythea...? Muslim people...? and religion...?
If there were not for the arabs...for excamble all Muslims...Than the world wouldnt now anything about our (greek) greatness...Yeap...damn muslim.. :damn: I thing they wanted to terrorize the world translating alot of the greek scripts...

One sentance answers should be deleted by the mods...especially in this thread...

Terror...were ever he came...isnt relayted only to religion...With this thread we found out...
and try to analyse it...
So if in the finall analysis we agree that something is ressponsible for terror...Than we can answer with one word...

But for shure Hate...is among the answer...Religion too...economy? Militaristic mendality?...
we saw that ecomicall parameters arent the important factor for terrorism...Religion is the way...maybe to fanatise the people and to create a "ideology"...But there must be more than that...

Regards

Before judging my thesis, WATCH this very informative documentary, where muslim faithfuls find excuses from inside the Koran to kill defensless children and their mothers:

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-6057493777522226755&q=%22Nord+Ost+-+Terror+in+Moscow%22+playable%3Atrue

WATCH IT. And then talk.



Or do you want remind you an sig I used some time ago? ;) :

Or does anyone wants to be reminded of the glorious deeds of Muhammad himself, where he killed hundrends of thousands of unarmed Prisoners of War, etc, etc... huh?






Islam is a very good food for terrorist ideology, even if some want to deny it.

I would say that poverty and ignorance is the best food for fanatism that may lead to blind terrorism Pytheas..

The only connection with Islam is that most Islamic countries (at least a vast percent of their population) fullfil the above two conditions..
they are poor and ignorant (not edjucated), thus easily manipulated and guided by religious leaders...
if the western people were at their place probably christian leaders would have the same power on the masses but most westerners are edjucated and rich enough to question religion and it's representatives...
Don't forget that in the past, when Europeans were living under similar conditions during the middle ages, Christianity performed in the name of God and religion the same acts..

Pythea... Doureios answered in the same i would answer my friend...
But with one differents...I proved in above threads that poverty or bad economy stands arent the most importan fact too...we saw that among members of terror organisations are rich Saudis also...

Crusades...? is ringing a bell...?Ok maybe greeks didnt haid a part in that especially...But we are also Christians...no?
What did the Church do ...better ...how many years were needed by the western church to contempt slavery...? ask some black people...if the slavery wasnt terror for them...lol
How many even christians were victoms of the inqisators...in the middle ages...?
of corse religion does matter as a way to fanatism...but not that Islam is the most dangerous...

I would read in your theses the Koran (did it 2 times...) 60% of it...believe me is the same like our Byble...60%... :hammer:
I f i would accuse...all of them...it would be silly ( my opinion...)

Regards

@ dourios:

as Lord rightly said so, these muslims that support terrorism most, are the rich ones. Especially those that have studied the Quoran. Like our friend Osama Bin Laden. ;)

Do you know where they recruit terrorists?? In the Mosques of Europe, and in the religious schools of Islam in the muslim countries.

Do not take your eyes away from the obvious.

Why do you think Turkey has banned the Kaliphate and has kept the Patriarchate instead??? HUH?? Cause Islamist ideology produces fanatical scums. ;)



@Lord:

Lord, I am very sad seing you adopting the argumentation of the opposers of Christianity (aka muslims)..

The Crusades happened to take back the HOLY LANDS from the Islam that had ethnic cleansed the christian presence out of there.

Now the State of Israel has secured christianity there. :thumbsup:

OK, if you find anywhere in the Bible or in the teachings of Christ "Kill the magicians or anything different than Catholicism" (rolfmao), then I will agree with you. Why do you think we call Catholicism a "Hairesis"?? Cause they have distorted the original teachings. ;)

On the other hand, you have Islam, with a "Prophet" that has killed millions of unarmed populations, and is praised by his believers as a great warlord.

Since there is so much commonality, please find me an example where people enter in a school to kill in the name of Jesus Christ the children and their mothers.

Sorry, I do not read the Koran, cause I do not want to become a terrorist, and dress my wife like a ghost.

Pytheas...reading the Koran made me no Muslim... :hammer:
If i wasnt a Orthodox i would tent more likely to the Budhism...than any other religion...or better getting back to our own greek routs believing in the 12 Gods... ;) (Its fitting more to my life style...concluding all my hetaires...lol )

But back to topic...
You have a point by saying...that show me one christian transforming into a terrorist bombing inocent people...
Paradigm...
Greece is been invaded by a muslim country...except partizan warfaire that we would do for shure...i am shure among greeks will be suicude bombers too...gladly killing ...
The differents between us and the majority of the muslim world is...they are some hundrets of years behind our social structure and view...(for shure on purpose...) something like our Med ages...
paradigm 2...
Our secret shools...in the indepented war against the Ottomans...were simiular to there ...Muslim shools...(Kryfa sholeia... ;) )
Should i remind you that the first suicide killings are maded by Greek fighters...? Souli...etc etc alot of times greek heros blowed them self up...for killing many as possible enemys...also including there compatriot fighters if neccecary...

Read again the thread from the beginning...I started to blaim the muslim fanatism...blaim our laws to let this Muslim shools uncontrolled..etc etc...
You cant say to me that iam somehow sympatizing with them...
This though isnt a argument not to try to understand them...Why...they are acting like they act...

Except Hinduism my dear friend all other known religion...are far agressive if it comes to comparing...

Paradigm 3...
How else could the Fanatic muslims act different ...? How else or what else is there in there structures to keep them together as a Nation..?
Its a pitty that only Islam keeps them together...and a pitty that they are missleaded by some fanatics via the Koran...(My opinion)

Regards

You're talking about people supporting and i'm talking about people performing terrorism Pytheas.. those supporting offcourse they are rich and they take advantage of the poor/deprerate/ignorant to promote their own (or somebody elses) agenta.. i didn't see Osama performing any suicide bombing him self.. or any of his relatives...

It is exactly tha same as in the west Pytheas.. poor americans go to the army to promote Bushes' agenta.. they get food and money for their blood, the muslims get spiritual food for theirs and money for their families.. the concept is the same, the means only change...

About terrorists reqruited in Europe i'm not that sure Pytheas... those in Spain where not suicide bombers, and those in London may have been just misleaded to carry the bombs and somebody else exploded them.. if they could get terrorists that easily from the western communities we whould be living in hell right now.. we would have such bombing every day because you can't prevent or stop a suicide bombing.. but we don't..

London was possibly another orchestrated attack like the 9/11 one.. enough to keep western societies alerted about a "terrorist" danger and allow US and UK to continue with their plans... people are affraid so there are no questions asked.. same old story.. i've said that again..

those that hijacked the air-liners in 9/11 were the seeds of the richest families of Saudi Arabia. ;)

And of course yes. The poors are always slaves to the wishes of the rich. But you are changing the subject. I do not see bush recruiting in the name of "jesus christ".

OK, I get the spirit. You do not want to focus your eyes at the obvious. I won't be the one that will open them for you.

But please do not be selective on what you answer the next time.

1.
Mujahideen trained by the US in Afghanistan in order to fight against the Soviet Union which should be prevented from entering .

After the decay of the SU the Mujahideen were without clear targets and started to begin their new mission of the Holy War.


So to some extent the US cofinanced "modern" terror and tries to see it as a justification for augmenting security measures.

More unemployment through productivity growth etc. more people that cannot create their life style according to their potentials.

In order to prevent an atmosphere of desperation and severe riots from unsatisfied citizens a stricter control (or at least the atmosphere of it) has to be implemented to calm the people.


a bit conspiracy theory...

:sneaky: Are you sure we would kill in the name of religion??? :doubt:

Where in the name of sanity does the bible say : "kill the motherf*cker non believers"???

Huh?

On the other hand, I can bring you 100 examples that Christ completely forbiden the use of violence.

Christians have ploblem when being attacked. They have problem with the agressors. aka Muslims.
Since Hinduism is a peaceful religion -that I agree- why christianity is in peace with them??? If christianity had agressive ideology then we would be having problems with the hindu, attacking them first.
But wait a minute... with whom is Hinduism in conflict with?? ISLAM??? AGAIN??? OH NO... :damn: :lol:

Lord, I see you continue to adopt the argumentation of the enemies of christianity. and particularly of the ottoman/turkish side.

I guess I will excuse you for trying to keep some balance in the forum, before I will resort to the feeling of complete dissapointment.

How can you compare the Kryfa Scholeia to the muslim terrorist nests?? I guess you know what were the Kryfa Scholeia, and will not enter to a useless verbal fight...

Did the Kryfa Scholeia teached attack to the turks, or they just preserved the hellenic identity of ours??
If I am mistaken, please correct me, cause I thought till now that the "Filiki Etaireia" was the one that recruited the fighters that started the war of indepedance.


And how can you call the suicides of Souli, Messologgi and Arkadi TERRORIST ACTS? How dare you to compare these pages of history with the Beslan or the Nord-Ost filths?
Were in the Souli Greeks killing kids of the enemy, or the other way round??
And you support that they suicided because christianity told them so?
Cause I am under the impression they suicided because they did not want to taste the bitterness of slavery that Hellenism had tasted for 400 years. "Kalytera mias oras eleutheri zoi, para sarada xronia sklavia kai fylaki". They fought for an hour free - and did not wish to live another 40 years.

Please... just think for a moment what you are saying... :damn:

First to note, mild language please.

Second

I am not in favour with nor have a strong dislike to any of the religions.
It's not that I am an atheist (I do believe in God) but I think most of the religions are relics from the old times to pas over morale and ethics to the broad illeterate public and control the masses. Also it is man's nature to believe in the supranatural as comfort and bring sanity for his time on earth. In today's society, since many people enjoy a certain level of education, I believe most people are fit to think over morale and ethics themselves rather then to be dictated about it by the clerks.

Your dislike towards Islam is ofcourse your own opinion, but may I note that claiming it to be barbaric or terrorist does ill towards its history. From the renaissance till industrialisation/nationalism the Ottoman state was practicly the only state in Europe where Muslims, Christians and Jews lived side by side. Ofcourse the Muslims and Christians werent having teaparties in the Ottoman state; there were manydifficulties, but almost no other state in Europe showed tolerance towards peoples of other religions as Jesus himself preached. Not even for fellow Christians (Cathars extinguished, Nestorian Christians banished).

Also even if such things as you claim are stated in a book, it's ridiculous to think that every Muslim or for that matter every Christian or Jew acts according to eveything that is written in their books. Shurely all these wars, attacks and bombings didnt happen just because of what was written in a book. It's rather the frustration, anger and hate of the political, economic and social reality that is the cause of violence, while the religion is the triggering mechanism.

Also religion was and in some cases still is, mainly a tool to gain or keep power, money or what ever the so called religious people want to gain. These people will quote the religious books for their own agenda, either to bring other people in negative perspective or to keep control among his own followers.

Ok, Cid,

I have to thank you for your post. I agree with every word of it.

But this:

is BS.

In the Ottoman Empire, yes, propably the first 50/70 years after the Constantinople's fall, maybe christians could coexist if they cooperated...
But before that, every inch of minor asia that was conquered by the turks, it was totaly dominated by it, as every barbarian tribe would do.

After the 50/70 years -dunno-, there was a systematical campaign for 300 of islamisasion. This was mainly performed in anatolia, where in the end of the ottoman era the 13 millions of the christian roman habitats had turned to 13 million muslims and 2 million christians.

There were also systematical campaigns to the balkans, but for sevberal reasons, it wasn't intensive, and especially in the modern day greece areas, the churcnh helped a lot for that. Kosmas o Aitolos was the one that stopped the islamisation to Epiros and Thessaly. God bless his soul.

heh, not by the clercs, but they may get fanatised only by reading the scripts sometimes. ;)

Pytheas dont play to me the OVER PATRIOT...because you arent...ok? and cut this HUH..There are many patriotes who better than me or you....

My approach is correct...it doesent make me to a Ottoman lover nor to a Muslim...huh..? lol

nor does any balance in the forum has to do with my argumentations...ok?

Now back to topic....in a more cooler way ...


Yes...back than the Freedom fighters of our Nations...were Terrorists for alot of nations should i remind you...back than called simply "REBELLS"..correct me if iam wrong but 1815 in Wienna after the Austrian metternich....solved the problem with Napoleon...he and the rest of our "sotires" savers...called any act against any Empire...simply a rebellion...and rebells...the so called freedom fighters...

clear...?

It dosent matter how we see our selfs...I try to convince you the stand of the world wide view of politic...and try to make /drow some simularitys...for the present...

Do you think that before Souli for excamble it was very comon...to blow hes life away ? and yes...try for a moment to be a Iraqi...ok?
Now maybe there are no secret shools...? of corse there are...in there mountains...trying to use Islam only as a way...for the political purposes...
didnt we do the same...?
Arent there priests...at our side that didnt took the Gun to fight the hated enemy..? Paleon Patron Germanos..?
Think for a moment ...how would it seem at CNN...seeing this man today..."prieching"...and fighting...Osama would be like a little child confronted to hem...
Religions are used to train the ideology of people...they mislead people...if they been used wrong...Thats it ..Thats what iam saying...Thats what iam mean....
After 200 Years....The snipers the suicide bombings...the fight against USA...will be a big part of alot of nations history...as a freedomfight... ;)

And dont assume to quick that i adopt anything...ok? I try to understand and to analyze...Thats all...
Dont use argumentations that some others used in the past about forum balance... ;) because its is wrong...i will say my opinion allways...also my thoughts...like any other my dear friend...

You should read the byble...you will discover alot of things...before that please dont ask me again were "such" things are written...The word apisti is also a christian word...and as i said 60% of the byble is simular with the Koran...


Regards

EDIT...

Are the Basks ETA....Muslim organisation..? Or is the Coriscan independence organisation..Islamistic...? Comon my dear friend..
Christians would use more harder methods if it was for there survive...and believe me we would found alot of phrases in our Byble to comet...a HOLY WAR ...too :P

By Decision of Spain's High Court

Ban on Batasuna Continues 17 Jan 2006 19:45:00

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Spain’s High Court decided to suspend the political activities of the Basque party linked to ETA for a further two years. The ruling also banned a big rally planned for Saturday 21 January in Barakaldo, in the Basque territory. In addition, it ordered that all of Batasuna’s local offices were to remain closed, while its website had to suspend operations. The High Court judges ratified the Prosecutor’s petition, asking for the national assembly to be stopped and the existing ban to be extended. It should be noted that the suspension of all political activities has been in force since 2002, by decision of Judge Baltazar Garzon, due to Batasuna’s ties to ETA, while party leader Arnaldo Otegi has served jail sentences for ETA-related activities.


Should i scan some articels about one more non...Islamistic organisation called IRA...?
No i dont think so...we just forgett very quick that all... ;)

Irish Republican Army
U.K., separatists

What is the Irish Republican Army?
The IRA is an organization dedicated to ending British rule in Northern Ireland and unifying the province with the neighboring Republic of Ireland. Sinn Fein is its political wing.

Is the IRA a terrorist group?
Not anymore, according to the State Department, which considered the IRA to be a terrorist organization as late as 2000. In July 2002, on the 30th anniversary of the 1972 “Bloody Friday” bombings, the IRA startled its sympathizers and enemies alike by offering “sincere apologies and condolences” to the families of its civilian victims. The IRA does still consider itself an armed force opposing an illegal foreign occupation of its country; jailed members called themselves “political prisoners.” And two IRA splinter groups, the Real IRA and the Continuity IRA, still practice terrorism.


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Is the IRA a terror oragnisation...? Yes ...No...YEEEES....NO no no...oh comon...it isnt anymore...The "holy" State Department...said so... :wall:
Damn Islamists...damn muslims...Oh wait...They arent... :doubt: or are they...? :bash:

IRA: Terror For Profit
by
Larry Pratt
For decades, Ulster (Northern Ireland) has been scourged by the violent terrorism of the Irish Republican Army (IRA). Ostensibly, the IRA seeks to unite all of Ireland under the government of the Republic of Ireland in the South.

Truth be told, the IRA has the same love for the government of the Republic of Ireland that Al Qaeda has for the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia. Both terrorist groups blackmail their "allies" for financial support and political cover.

The IRA is somewhat like the FARC in Colombia. They started out with an ideology, and no doubt many of the rank and file supporters (especially beyond the ranks of the actual terrorists) still are motivated by ideological aims. The IRA leadership, however, has morphed into a mafia with training and supplies coming from Libya, PLO and the FARC.

I have seen pictures of the IRA banner and the PLO flags displayed in solidarity. During a recent visit to Ulster I personally saw a Basque separatist (ETA) flag in an IRA neighborhood, and a big wall mural expressing the slogan of the French revolution's guillotine -- fraternite, egalite, liberte.

IRA leaders are getting very wealthy smuggling oil, cigarettes and other commodities from the Republic of Ireland to Ulster. They are heavily invested in legitimate businesses.

Many Catholics do not support the IRA, but dissenters are shot. Nearly twenty-five percent of the IRA's victims have been Catholics. This has chilled Catholic dissent, giving the false impression that Catholics all support the IRA.

My host while I was in Ulster has had numerous credible death threats and is in court trying to get a permit to have and carry a concealed handgun. He frequently buys a new car and seldom returns the way he came. He took me to the spots where the IRA murdered his uncle and his father. After 1972 when the British government became obsessed with disarming the citizenry, it refused to allow the Ulster Defense Force personnel to go home with guns. That is when the IRA killings increased sharply. Gun control has predictable, and negative, results.

IRA militants have cleansed Protestant neighborhoods. They begin by stoning the homes on the main drag, breaking windows and making life unbearable. This drives the price of the house(s) down and an IRA family moves in. Their kids begin to harass the Protestant kids, and the stoning of nearby homes accelerates. Stores get stolen blind and closed down. Eventually the whole neighborhood goes 100% Catholic.

I visited an 80+-year-old lady who lives in a Protestant enclave -- an island surrounded by a sea of Catholic neighborhoods. She regularly removes the stones from her yard that are thrown at her house from the Catholic neighborhood on the other side of the fence. One day, as she was sitting in her living room, a bullet shattered the glass of her window. Her community responsibility is to lock the pedestrian gate at night and open it in the morning. Kind of like a medieval city.

It is hard to imagine living in such conditions, but how can they sell their homes at a fair market price? People are trapped. This has gone on for years and continues now during the "cease fire." Ethnic cleansing of this type has also taken place in rural areas.

Consistent with the appeasement orientation of the British socialist government, the police do nothing to pursue vandals and bullies and thieves. And of course, self-defense is a big no-no. The British police presence is almost non-existent, being largely confined to fortresses complete with guard towers and festoons of razor wire all around.

There was a brief interlude when British Special Forces "removed" the IRA problem by cutting off many of the heads of the hydra. This was not PC, and the resulting peace came to an end with the removal of the Special Forces.

Another short-lived un-PC policy had put (oftentimes) plainclothes constables outside known IRA killers' homes. As the IRA thugs would exit in the evening (i.e., not going to any legitimate job), the cops would ask something like: "Who are you going to kill tonight, Johnny?" At that point the thug went back inside for the night. No killings took place during the few months this program was in operation.

Now the terror through intimidation and murder continues and the IRA remains embedded in the Ulster body politic like a parasite sucking the life out of a human body. Bombings in London led to the British negotiating a cease-fire that restrains the police without hampering the operations of the IRA. British supporters of the cease-fire are like those false prophets of Jeremiah's time -- they proclaim "Peace, peace; when there is no peace."

The British government illegalizes armed self-defense (or virtually any self-defense at all) by declaring that the use of virtually any force under any circumstance is "unreasonable" and punishable. There will be no peace in Ulster as long as it remains a government-enforced victimization zone. At least the IRA is happy.

Those interested in more information about William Frazer and the victims group he represents can go to http://www.victims.org.uk.

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Ah yes there you go...one more "Islamistic" terror....oragnisation...Columbia this time... :drink2:

Iam afraid if i type onew more at google terror....my PC will be Blow up... :roflmao:

And dont force me to give you a link about Christian Terror...you will be suprised...my dear friend...
remember ones and for all...
If I write something...iam allways prepered...i told you wants ;)

Regards

Religious Terror
By: George Feigley,
Cofounder
One of the first truths that the Christian church learned was the value of terror. Make the suckers afraid. Convince them that some boogyman will get them. Tell them that they need the Christian mythology to protect them from the danger. Presto, the sucker buys into the lie, pays his money and surrenders his freedom to the all-knowing church.
Terror has proven to be the best way to get people to give up their liberties and independence. The Republicans learned from Christian mythology. They invent devils and then present themselves as the only effective protection from the supposed threat. The classic example was the "Red Menace."

The Republican fanatic, Joe McCarthy, preached that the dread Communists had infiltrated the government. If Americans didn't look out, the Reds would steal our minds, our souls, our American way of life. It was all lies, of course. Republicans rely on dishonesty. ["Oh, look, they have weapons of mass destructions just like us. We'll have to kill them!"]

The Republicans especially hated the Communists because, in theory at least, the Reds promised to share the wealth with ordinary persons. Republicans are the wealthy, big business, big oil, military martinets. The last thing that bunched wanted, or wants today, is for ordinary people to share their billions or share the power that money buys.

Republicans have effectively used terror since Lincoln precipitated the unnecessary Civil War. They've invented a string of demons for us to fear and for them to save us from. Without bad guys, why would we give away our freedoms?

The Christian mythology stared by preaching fear of Romans. Quickly they graduated to fear of spooks, ghosts, devils and science. The most effective terror tactics proved to be fear of sex (the great majority of Christians were/are frigid women) and fear of death.

Following the same strategy, the Republicans graduated from terror of the Reds to fear of illegal aliens, Arabs, Moslems and a big one is "socialized healthcare," drugs from Canada and airplanes.

The real risk to you of being hurt or killed by a "terrorist" (whatever that may mean) is miniscule, about the same as being struck by lightning.

America is illegal aliens! The old ones simply want to keep everything for themselves by making you afraid of the new ones.

When a Republican politician tells you how much danger you're in, don't you believe it! As front for right-wing extremists, the bigot channel, Fox "News," has proven effective in two areas. It preaches fear and hate, the Christian staples. They are an effective smoke screen hiding the real problems of the country: social injustice and inequity. They want you to worry about a slut drown in Aruba or a child murdered in Idaho. While such things are terrible tragedies, they are extremely rare. You'll win the lottery three times before it happens to you.

Be afraid, VERY afraid. Be afraid of the Christian crazies and of the Republicans and their Christian agenda. Otherwise, I extol FDR's axiom of freedom from fear.



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You wanted Byblic phrases...huh? (just j/k) you know i like you...But read please...

Soldiers of Christ, Sit Down
by Kevin Beck, May 13, 2005



Terrorism has its modern roots with Robespierre and the French Revolution. It found a home in the Fascist and Communist movements of the twentieth century in Europe, Asia, Africa, and South America. It developed in the hands of populist and fundamentalist movements in the mid- and late-1900s. Today, it is the major factor influencing public policy in practically every nation around the world.

What exactly is terrorism? The United Nations has not yet agreed to a definition. The CIA is guided by the definition of terrorism contained in Title 22 of the US Code, Section 2656f(d): “The term ‘terrorism’ means premeditated, politically motivated violence perpetrated against noncombatant targets by subnational groups or clandestine agents, usually intended to influence an audience. The term ‘international terrorism’ means terrorism involving the territory or the citizens of more than one country. The term ‘terrorist group’ means any group that practices, or has significant subgroups that practice, international terrorism.” (http://www.cia.gov/terrorism/faqs.html). Clearly, terrorism may be hard to define, but you know it when you see it.
Terrorism comes in various forms: political terrorism, eco-terrorism, and state-sponsored terrorism, just to name a few. Perhaps the most significant force driving terrorism today is religion.
In the West, when we discuss religious terrorism, we tend to picture wild-eyed Muslims who are willing to strap bombs onto their bodies or hijack airplanes. We think about Osama bin Laden and Mohammed Atta. We see images of masked Iraqi kidnappers and the Afghani Taliban. The stereotypical representation is a young Middle Eastern man, with dark hair, olive skin, dark eyes, and a beard. Yet…have we forgotten that is precisely how Jesus would have looked?

Looks can be deceiving. Jesus was no terrorist. In fact, he denounced the terrorism of his day. Richard Horsely illustrates in Bandits, Prophets, and Messiahs that terrorism abounded in late Second Temple Judaism. When his leading disciple, Peter, sought a confrontation with the political authorities, Jesus instructed him, “Put your sword back into its place; for all who take the sword will perish by the sword” (Matthew 26:52). Jesus would not resort to violence even to save his own life.
Obviously, not all young men from the Levant to Pakistan are terrorists. Certainly, not all, most, or many, Muslims are terrorists. Yet, in the Western (and particularly American) public consciousness, we associate religious terrorism with Islam. Pop Culture, like the television program 24, identifies the “bad guys” as Muslim/Arab terrorists. The FBI’s “Most Wanted Terrorists” list contains the names and pictures of twenty-two people, all of whom are Muslims and twenty-one of whom are Arabs or of Arabic descent. One is an African Muslim.[i]

At first blush, we might simply agree with the popular images. After all, who are the suicide bombers? Who hijacks airplanes? Who kills innocent civilians in the name of God? Just look at the names and faces of the people the government deems as terrorist threats.

Christian Terror

The Christian community may be slow to recognize that it has spawned its share of terrorists. Maybe you are surprised to hear that. Aren’t Christians peace loving and harmless? The guy sleeping in the pew next to you every Sunday can’t even stay awake through the sermon. He would never blow up anything.

All that may be true, but the fact remains that many people kill and destroy in the name of Jesus Christ. We could point to the Crusades, the Inquisition, or the conquest of North America, but that would be too easy…and too irrelevant.[ii] Too irrelevant because they occurred hundreds of years ago. Too easy because it turns the focus away from our current situation.

Christian soldiers are arising all over the world. Christian militants in Northeast India funded and supported by Christians from New Zealand, Australia, and the United States have attacked, kidnapped and killed numerous people in Tripura in hopes of establishing a Christian state. The leading organization, the National Liberation Front of Tripura, has garnered the nickname “the Christian al-Qaeda.” The United States State Department describes the situation: “Hindu organizations frequently alleged that Christian missionaries force Hindus, particularly those of lower castes, to convert to Christianity.

In Christian majority areas, there were occasional reports that Christians persecuted members of regional minorities. In Tripura, there were several reported cases of harassment of non-Christians by members of the National Liberation Front of Tripura (NLFT), a militant evangelical tribal group.”[iii]

In Africa, the continent finds itself immersed in religious violence. In many places, Christians have been the target. Nevertheless, Christians have instigated their fair share of brutality in Nigeria, Liberia, and Uganda. Significant amounts of blood have been shed in the name of Christ in Rwanda, Burundi, Sudan, and South Africa.

We find incidents of Christian terrorism in Haiti and El Salvador (ironically named after the Savior). People claiming allegiance to Christ have ignited hostilities in Lebanon and East Timor. The Balkan wars of the 1990s had an element of Christians attacking Muslims. One of the most prominent places of Christian terrorism is Ireland. On the Emerald Isle, groups of Christians kill other Christians in the name of Christ. The Irish troubles contain a political element, but the political divisions tend to mirror religious divisions. Mark Juergensmeyer assesses the situation, “On both the Irish and Protestant sides, violence is related to the renewed role religion has come to play in Northern Ireland’s public life.”[iv]

Those of us in the Western world may tend to ignore those examples. We think that the incidents are relatively few in number and that they happen in far away places. They do not threaten most of us, and they are not in the interests of our national security. A cynical analysis of that opinion might lead one to believe that this attitude is racist. I prefer to think that this is a result of ignorance. We just don’t hear about Christian terrorists…or do we?

In the past two decades, the general public of the United States has undergone several attacks carried out by Christian terrorists. In 1985 Reverend Mike Bray was convicted of bombing seven abortion facilities causing over a million dollars worth of damages. According to Mark Juergensmeyer, Bray’s actions were motivated by Dominion Theology and its sub genre Christian Reconstructionism. Dominion Theology contends “that Christianity must reassert the dominion of God over all things, including secular politics and society.”[v] The Ten Commandments serve as the ideal model for this Christian Theocracy, and the Law breakers would suffer the most severe consequences.

In April 1995, Timothy McVeigh bombed the Murrah Federal Building in Oklahoma City. His interpretation of Christian faith contributed to his motivation. Reverend Paul Hill, former Presbyterian minister and associate of Mike Bray, was convicted and executed for murdering an abortion doctor. He confessed to being prompted by his Christian theology.[vi] An organization closely associated with Hill, Army of God, calls him “an American Hero.”[vii] In 1999, Buford Furrow, in an initiation rite into the “Phineas Priesthood” opened fire on a Jewish community center and shot several people including three children under the age of six.

More recently, Eric Rudolph pled guilty to the Atlanta Olympic bombing, to bombing a gay and lesbian nightclub, and to bombing an abortion facility. The bombings resulted in four deaths and incited panic throughout the region. Rudolph has close links to the Christian Identity movement whose theology fueled his terror activities. In April 2005, Sean Gillespie of Spokane, Washington was found guilty of bombing Temple B’Nai Israel. U.S. Attorney Robert McCampbell commented on the attack, “This kind of religious violence is so fundamentally un-American that, as a society, we simply cannot tolerate it.”

Granted, most Christians in the United States and around the world would condemn such destructive acts and distance themselves from the terrorists—just as most Muslims do. They would likely contend that terrorism does not accurately reflect the mainstream of Christian faith or the teachings of Jesus. However, many Christians find themselves in sympathy with the anti-establishment and anti-abortion sentiments[viii] articulated by the radicals, just as many Muslims do not support insurgent groups, but they are “glad it existed.”[ix]

God at War?

The point remains that we in the West are slow to see and name Christian terrorism for what it is—acts of violence designed to create fear in order to bring about the supposed will or kingdom of God.

Moreover, we in the West rarely recognize the theological root causes of Christian terrorism—the belief that God is at war. Regina Schwartz addresses this issue in her book, The Curse of Cain: The Violent Legacy of Monotheism. She illustrates the danger of ignoring or sanctioning the “holy violence” found in the Bible. One leading example (not offered by Schwartz) is Elijah. The prophet was an apparent hero of God. He championed faithfulness to God and opposed the idolatry promoted by the monarchy. When Elijah could not bear it any longer, he challenged the king’s priests and prophets to a divine duel between Baal and YHWH. The deity who consumed the sacrifice would be declared the victor, and the nation would serve him. Baal did not send fire from heaven to devour the sacrifice, by YHWH did. After declaring victory, Elijah ordered the slaughter of the priests of Baal.

We might applaud Elijah for his courage, zeal, and passion. The disciples of Jesus did. As they passed through a village of the Samaritans, the town did not receive Jesus. Indignant, James and John (the Sons of Thunder) desired to “command fire to come down from heaven and consume them, just as Elijah did.” Jesus would not hear of it. He rebuked them, “You do not know what manner of spirit you are of. For the Son of Man did not come to destroy men’s lives but to save them” (Luke 10:51-56). Jesus forbade his followers to act after the fashion of Elijah. The holy warrior image is not suitable for the Prince of Peace or his followers.

God-at-War theology comes in several packages—some more severe than others. Spiritual warfare is a popular one. This is the belief that demonic forces and angelic hosts are currently battling it out for the fate of the world and for the eternal destiny of individuals.

Another factor is the persecution of Christians—past and current. Since many Christians are persecuted throughout the world, free Christians often demand reprisals. Moreover, the memory of martyrdom has fueled violence and shaped Christian community since the days of Constantine.[x] Parishioners hear from their pastors that they are in a “battle for souls” and that they must struggle against temptation and fight against the devil. A friend of mine once attended a church where she was taught that each person has her own “personal devil” fighting for her soul.

Another common expression of God-at-War theology includes the “culture war.” This works its way into political expression. Holy activists battle against “leftists” who are allegedly eroding traditional values and taking over the courts.

Seemingly harmless middle-class Protestant congregations sing “praise songs” about Christian soldiers marching as to war without considering the implications—or maybe they do.[xi]

God-at-War theology demands that if you want to be on the winning side of this cosmic conflict (God’s side), you must take up spiritual arms. From there, it is not much of a leap to take up physical arms to battle the forces of evil—or at least tacitly understand those who do. Juergensmeyer notes, “What makes religious violence particularly savage and relentless is that its perpetrators have placed such religious images of divine struggle—cosmic war—in service of worldly political battles. For this reason, acts of religious terror serve not only as tactics in a political strategy, but also evocations of a much larger spiritual confrontation.”[xii]

At the heart of God-at-War theology is the sense that God has not reconciled all things. The logic is simple: If the universe is not as it ought to be, then God must be battling to bring order to the chaos. If God is battling, then to be righteous one must join the holy war. Compromise is impossible. Negotiation is unthinkable. Dialogue is treason.

Moreover, if God has not reconciled all things to the Divine being, then I too must not be reconciled. This leaves the believer in a moral dilemma. Few would argue against the fact that God is love. Yet, if I believe that God has not yet opened the way into fully consummated love, then perhaps I need to prove how devoted to God I am. Hopefully my commitment will win God’s favor and then maybe God will love me. Yet the more I do to win God’s favor, the less I feel loved—since love is freely given. This intensifies the at-war emotions, thereby creating a sense of anger. But instead of addressing my anger toward God (the one who is the true object of my anger), I strike out at others—the immoral, the unrighteous, the sinners. These are the ones hindering me from being reconciled to God. This increases and exacerbates religious violence in myriad forms.

Additionally, if I see God at war with the world all around me—including the people I love—I am torn. How can I love these people more than God does? Why is God punishing my loved ones? There must be something wrong with them or with me. Living with this internal and often subconscious angst produces irritation that can eventually become directed outward.

Finally, the ultimate terror is the thought that God will banish all of those who are opposed to the Divine will to an eternal torture chamber.[xiii] If you are not careful, traditional theology purports, you just might be one of them. Subsequently, if it is good enough for God to punish his enemies, then it is good enough for God’s faithful servants to do the same.[xiv]

Very few segments of traditional Christianity see the dilemma caused by conventional theology. This non-recognition rests at the root of the quandary. For traditional Christianity, God-at-War theology is the essence of the shadow. The unawareness of it often results in destructive manifestations. Carl Jung spoke of the shadow in these general terms. “Everyone carries a shadow, and the less it is embodied in the individual's conscious life, the blacker and denser it is. If an inferiority is conscious, one always has a chance to correct it. Furthermore, it is constantly in contact with other interests, so that it is continually subjected to modifications. But if it is repressed and isolated from consciousness, it never gets corrected.” Unless and until Western Christianity consciously addresses the God-at-War shadow, it can never rectify it.

Obviously, not everyone harboring God-at-war sentiments bombs innocents or condones bloodshed. Yet…two thousand years of God-at-War theology have produced more violence (in multifarious ways) than peace. In an ironic twist, secular visions of a peaceful society draw significant numbers of adherents, to the point where secular visions of peace outshine the sacred. To see this, we need to look no further than American politics where religious conservatives are perceived as the party of war while the secular liberals seen as the party of peace. Do followers of Jesus find this disturbing?

God at Peace

Accusing traditional theology of nefarious motives and practices is not our purpose. Opening our eyes to a major contributing factor to world terrorism is. God-at-War theology finds quarters in all major world religions. Those on a jihad differ little from those on a crusade. Therefore, Western Christianity dare not simply point the finger at the ‘other’ as the cause of world fear and anxiety. If Western Christianity looks overseas to seek the source of anxiety, danger, and panic, it fails to examine and address the one and only item it can control: their view of God.

Offering an alternative vision of God, a picture of God-at-Peace, is essential. God-at-Peace theology sees a God who is present. How can anyone feel loved from an absentee God, from a deadbeat father? Recognizing the God in whom we live and move and have our being is the first and most important factor in actualizing peace.

Envisioning God-at-Peace is seeing God as the source and goal of all things. The apostle Paul offered such a vision when he wrote, “For from him and through him and to him are all things. To him be the glory forever” (Romans 11:36). Paul went on to say that there is “one God and Father of all, who is above all and through all and in all” (Ephesians 4:6). Paul believed the work of God in Jesus Christ was the determinative act illustrating and bringing about the reality of God-at-Peace—existentially and eschatologically. “For in him all the fullness of God was pleased to dwell, and through him God was pleased to reconcile to himself all things, whether on earth or in heaven, by making peace through the blood of his cross” (Colossians 1:19-20).

In an address to “The College of Preachers,” Krister Stendahl (former Dean of the Harvard Divinity School) eloquently drew from Paul’s discourse in 1Corinthians 13 where the apostle “recited - an ode to love. It ends with the words, ‘so faith, hope, love abide, but the greatest of them is love.’ Imagine, Paul, the apostle of faith, lets faith be trumped by love! To privilege ethics over theology - that takes a good theologian and a keen awareness of urgency. That is where we are now in our diversity, in our common humanity, in our Abrahamic family, where we share so much in various ways, ways that should enrich us rather than separate us.”[xv] The wisdom of Divine love compels us to practice with all people and with ourselves the peace that surpasses all understanding.

As we come to a clearer awareness of God-at-Peace, we are better outfitted to implement that peace and thereby contribute to creating a culture of peace. This is not a naive hope for a utopian world.[xvi] It is a call for those of us with a Christian consciousness to question our presuppositions about the relationship of God to the world, to those outside the scope of Christianity, and to ourselves. It is an appeal to reexamine the work of God in Christ and to reevaluate the extent and significance of Divine grace, redemption and creation. It is a request asking you to no longer see people—any people—as the enemy of God. It is (hopefully) the beginning of a dialogue that will contribute to bringing terror—especially terror in the name of God—to an end. “As it is written, ‘For your sake we are being killed all day long; we are accounted as sheep to be slaughtered.’ No, in all these things we are more than conquerors through him who loved us. For I am convinced that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor rulers, nor things present, nor things to come, nor powers, nor height, nor depth, nor anything else in all creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God in Christ Jesus our Lord” (Romans 8:36-39). Notice, Paul said, he was being killed; he was not killing.

As we begin to actualize the peace of God, we will develop a greater connection to all humanity—especially victims of terror—regardless of their religion, gender, or ethnicity. We will weep with the Muslim mother who lost her child and the Israeli mother who lost hers. We will remember the prisoners as if chained with them, whether they are in Iraq or Guantanamo, Colombia or Sudan. We will mourn the loss of unborn children, the murder of gay men and women, persecuted Christians in China, and persecuted Muslims in Nigeria. We will recognize that all humans have been fashioned in the Divine image and are worthy of love, dignity, and respect. We will discover that the only way to overcome terror is not through overwhelming military force, but through practicing justice, mercy, and faith. In a word, we will begin actualizing the true love that casts out fear.

What we will not do is take up any form of arms in the name of God to establish the kingdom, guard the ‘truth,’ or bring about our sense of rightness. Transformed faith in the God of all peace can lead the way to a more peaceful world for us all.
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Lord the true Christian ...out

I see terrorism more like a combination of

1)The feeling of the people that are under some pressure by something,and they don't have any other way to fight it.
2)The act of some persons to seduce the masses in order to use them for their own purposes and profit.
In my opinion a combination of the two is happening now especially in the middle east,that many people are uneducated and can be easily pursuaded that are under threat and need to use extreme methods to face it....