Credit goes to Artemidoros :thumbsup:



It will cost between 22 and 52 billion Euros between 2006-20015 depending on the shape of the Greek economy :shok:



The main programs in million Euro

Cross-branch

communication & C4I sattelites 161
spy sat 120

Navy

3+3 frigates 1,400+1,400
5 maritime aircraft 250
upgrading of MEKO frigates 200
submarine resque ship 180
5 2nd hand mine-hunters 200
3 FAC 450
another support ship/tanker 200
3 gunboats 150
3 S70B helis 150
missile upgrading 100
a landing ship/command and control 150
expences for peacekeeping 501

Army

8+12+12 cargo helis 320+490+487
2 special mission helis 88
84+21+14 wheeled AIFV 430+99+48
291 tracked AIFV 1,700
50+75 amphibious vehicles 100+113
299+144 light armoured vehicles 111+77
special munitions 2,537 :shok:
various anti-tank 133
self-prop howitzers 155mm 34
towed howitzers 105mm 18
upgrading of mlr (phase A) 28 about time too
mortars 148
new AA systems 607 wtf are they turning the whole Greek army into an anti-aircraft unit?


Airforce

F-16 2,500
counter-measures for F-16 350
SAR helis 234
new trainers 900
missiles etc 900 :shock:
munitions etc 190
long range missiles 125
BVR missiles 212
Air to ground missiles 280
upgrading of Mirage 2000 89
upgrading of older F16 178
upgrading of F-4 174
more C-27 90
UAV 200
UCAV 100
New aircraft 3,060
recovery vehicles 382

my comments:




GEETHA:

The military satelites (spy and network ones) program ROCKS !!!!

NAVY:

it seems that we go for 6 frigattes in the next decade and 2 more in the 2015-2020... French and Italians too will split in three parts their FREMM orders.. :thumbsup:
And it seems from the price (460 million Euros) that we are going for the italian/multirole version of the FREMMs -if in the end we will go for that platform- and not for the French one that costs 380 millions...


Too bad the MEKO upgrade is not more expensive..we can always add some fancy but expensive toys on them.. :dunno:



I admit that I was not expecting us to be going for maritime aircrafts, and I am more surprised by their number (5) and even more surprised from their price that means we are buying them BRAND NEW :shok: :dunno:




ARMY:

The number if the AIFVs and the Wheeled IFVs is huge, especially if someone is considering the fresh purchase of the Marders... :drink2:

the Panhard VBL (long version)... this is a huge number too if you ask me...

SMART munitions, guided munitions, Lahats, etc...

Very sweet purchase!! This kind of stuff gives superiority to the current battlefield.


-The 600 millions for antiaircraft systems is obviously radar guided machine guns... we are totaly covered from the AAW missile sector..


I am also very confused for not seing any Apaches or any new trucks for the Army.. I hope the "leaking" here had a flaw...





AIRFORCE:

this is a hugely disappointing list... except from the 100 millions that are directed for the nEUROn research funding and the 90 millions for the excersising of the C-27 option, the list since it contains funds for 40 F-16s is devastatingly disapointing.

This list doesn´t appear like a proof for reduction of military expenses !

do you need that kind of proof? :huh: cause I never believed there was a serious chance or these promises to become reality... :D

:doubt:
Is this left over payments for the PI2000?

(euro)
Since the Turkish F-X program is valued at about $10 billion for 120 aircraft, and the Greek budget calls for about $3.5 billion. We can therefore approximate a requirement for about 40 aircraft (3.5/10).

Note: It appears the Kortenaer upgrade has been shelved in favor of the new 3+3 frigate plan.

What's going on? :dunno:
Dirrectly for F-16
For replacement of losses and old plane 2500 million €
ECM for F-16 350
Various attacments in the f-16 (?) 10
Upgrade of older F-16 178

Indirect (Partialy?) for F-16 or for the whole of HAF?
Missiles 900 million €
Projektiles (?) 190
Infrastructure for new weapons (?) 215 !!

And then came this part!:south:


New planes 3060 million €
ECM 39
Weapons infrastructure etc 278
Those are for the "new" 4th generation:north: right?

But those?:south:

Long Range missiles (Cruise?) 125
BVR Missiles 212
Air-to-Ground missiles 280

I thing the F-16 contract is bigger then 2500 million€!
The weapons only are 1707/1985 million €! I am sure a big part of it goes indirectly to the "new" F-16 :damn:

Tell my Thanks to Arti...we missed hes good posts here...

Comments later on to the EMPAE...i knew it for some time now...
and it seems that alot of corections will occure in the future...

Regards

Hope you are right :thumbsup:

First off, I'm glad to see Army getting more funds tha AF for once. But still disappointed with some elimata (ommisions?)...

Those are serious programs... I'm sure there will be many changes by the time they are done. Dissapointed not to see funds for PPE of border infantry forces, but very pleased to see 607 mio for AA systems for land forces. Hopefully this includes vastly expanded capabilities for infantry - not only artilary, perhaps even Igla-2 or stingers for us as well. But MANPADS for infantry is critical IMO.

The biggest disappointment (if true) is that each branch has its own independent acquisition program for ECM. It would be wiser to have the GEETHA manage a single project that would equip the branches with a similar as possible system.

Efeler,

Any F-4 "upgrade" payments are most probably for either new ECM or weapon integration. The new fighter program has been declared to be for 40 aircraft (at least in the coming 5-year plan). Since the HAF requires a total of 60-80 airplanes, anything over the budget set would be included in the next 5-year plan. The Kortenaer upgrade will proceed with 6 ships, and be completed in 2009 (the Kountouriotis will be completed in the next few months).

digenis,

if you will look carefuly the original list, the aquisition programs are mixed. ;)
The seperate lists are propably made for the readers of the newspapers. ;)



Also I dunno if it escapes your memory, but the Koertnaer upgrade is negotiated to be canceled...
So far one ship has been copleted the upgrade, another one is being at the works, and noone knows what will happen with the others

Pythea,

I doubt "splitting" the list helped most of the readers. In the past the branches have acquired different systems for identical needs, and it looks like this might still be the case going forward.

The Koertnaer contract has been signed, and it was difficult to break. You can read "Amyntika Themata" December 2005, page 89:
"åðé÷åéñÞèçêå, üðùò ðñïáíáöÝñáìå, áíáðñïóáñìïãÞ ôïõ ðñïãñÜììáôïò êáé ðåñéïñéóìüò ôïõ áñéèìïý ôùí ðëïßùí ðñïò åêóõã÷ñïíéóìü. Ôüôå äéáðéóôþèçêå üôé áõôï Þôáí ÁÄÕÍÔÁÔÏ ìÝóù ôçò óýìâáóçò, ïðüôå êáé áõôÞ ðñï÷ùñÜ êáíïíéêÜ"

Trans: An attempt was made to reduce the number of ships to be modernized, but that was impossible because of the contract.

in any case, this is what I see :





And we 'll see what will happen with the Koertnaers... It would be even better to upgrade them AND have the new frigate program. :thumbsup:

Some other things that give me a :banana: (lol): I really like are the 109 mio for communications (maybe now we can get rid of the WWII wind-up phones :rolleyes: )

and 2,554 BIO for "special munitions" :naughty: I can only imagine what this 2,5 bio of this catigory could include :charge:

Thank you for your kind words my Lord :bow:

Merry Christmas and a happy New Year to all. Father Christmas brought me the whole thing. It clarifies a lot of things. :hathello:

looks like your scanner could use a good vacation arti :P

I hope this is better. I can't do anymore because the printed version I have is not very clear.

;) I hope Ai Basilis will bring us some more good Stuff...

Merry Christmas to you too and best wishes...

Those who could or took the trouble to go through that 10 year plan may have noticed it contains 486 different programmes. From major arms purchases and services to destruction of old ammo or peacekeeping expenses. It is split in three parts, Alpha, Beta and Gamma.
Part Alpha contains 247 programmes, the ones deemed absolutely essential, and the cost is 22 billion Euro.
Part Beta contains programmes from 248 to 358 and is worth another 15 billion. Those programmes are considered very important but will only be activated if the economy allows it.
Part Gamma, progs. 349 to 486 are desirable but thought to have no chance of being activated in the next decade. They would have added another 15 billion to the cost. For example the purchase of aerial refuelling tankers is prog. 447, allocated 750 million. It just shows that the leadership of the HAF gives tankers a very low priority indeed.

It seems to me that the cost is going to be significantly higher than 22 billion, regardless of the shape of the economy. Some examples of why I am saying this:

Prog. 4 (No 1 for HAF) 500 mil for a/c attrition replacements and prog. 8 (No 2 for HAF) 2,000 mil for replacement of 2nd generation a/c. Part of these two is supposed to be underway with the deal for 30 F-16, worth 1,700 million.
Then we have prog. 250-252 in part Beta, worth 3,100 million, thought to be money for 4th generation a/c. Also prog. 399, worth 4,750 million to "counter the Turkish JSF" in part Gamma.
Therefore, nearly 8 billion for 4th generation aircraft (enough for about 90), which the HAF says are not absolutely essential in the next decade. And they say that knowing very well that both PASOK and ND governments have promised the purchase to our Euro-partners. So they are asking for other stuff, safe in the knowledge that they are going to get EF (or Rafale) anyway. The Europeans have waited long enough already.

Prog. 2 (No 1 for the Army) is 8 new gen. helis for 320 million and prog. 66 2 special missions helis for 88 million. Then prog. 285 in Beta for 12 helis 490 million and prog. 422 in Gamma for another 12. Meaning there is a possibility in 2015 the Army will have only 24 NH90 + 6 SF NH90 + 15 CH47 (9 of which will be in serious need of replacement, if they are still around). Rubbish. 3 to 4 years down the road the top brass will demand (and get) the implementation of prog. 285 and 422. An extra whole billion.

Prog. 3 (1st for HN) is 3 frigates for 1,400 million. Prog. 277 is Batch 2 (Beta) for another 1,400. So, if Batch 2 is not ordered in 2015 the HN will have 3 new frigates, 4 modernised MEKO and 5-6 type S (+ 2 S modified for training). Meaning half the main units of HN will be unable to act independently in a high risk environment. Yeah, pull the other one :P

There are a number of other programmes I could point out, like Pzh2000 but I think the point has been made.

We are heading for the 37 billion plan (or close to that), unless there are impressive developments in our relations with Turkey.

Arti...how accurate to you thing this planes can be..?
And i mean...how is the possibility ...that our leadership remain to this very impressive in numbers...plan...?
We saw it alot of time happenend...

Paradeigm....

The SF...do now have the M16s...with night scopes...have the M203...have the M4...have new camo...But dont have Ammo ...to waist 5,56mm for excersise use.... and i mean of corse not the usuall stuff of 20 round per soldier...:damn:

And what should they do supposed that we are under attack...were are they NH-90...to carry them? or should they remain on the "steyrcopter"...and go to the front?
Were are the nececary specialized vehicles...which can be transported into the Chinooks...? Because the Hummer is veeeeery nice...indeed...BUT IT DOSENT fit into the Heli... :wall:
Were are this specialized 'little things"///?

Regards and thanks for your analysis..

Prog. 29 SF equipment 50 mil
Prog. 68 DYK equipment 50 mil
Prog. 71 underwater vehicles 10 mil
Prog. 99 upgrading of speedboats 1 mil
Prog. 100 22 new speedboats 40 mil
Prog. 193 modern fighter equipment 3.5 mil
Prog. 214 underwater scooters and comms, IFF etc 5.14 mil
Prog. 241 paratrooper equipment 2.14 mil
Prog. 242 thermal sights for M16 and various sights and rangefinders 21.3 mil

This is just from part Alpha. About 180 million for SF exclusively plus a couple of other progs for para simulators and they will also benefit from other progs indirectly.

Brother...
I wasnt refairing to this without reading the articel and the list...

But you know were the Problem is...(In my opinion)?
That this big fat words...are in our list since 1996...
And my fear is that this will be also remaining a big fad lady.. ;)

The all above mentioned parts are and were nececary a decade ago...
They should move there ass...and solve the problems...
Otherwise we are chaising our tail...(kynigame thn oura mas...kai pali...lol)

Regards

From Ptisi magazine, the Aremidoros' list, but in a readable and more comprehendable form... :hathello:

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And the last two pages:
http://img9.picsplace.to/img9/6/thumbs/Pti...Pytheas__11.jpg
http://img9.picsplace.to/img9/6/thumbs/Pti...Pytheas__12.jpg

Joint Armed Forces:

- Dedicated optical-wire network, stable, land mobile and naval terminals for the support of our communication satelites; €253,3 million
- Participation to the Helios spy satelite program; €160 million
- Upgrade of the armed forces C4I system; €6,9 million
- Upgrade of the SIGNIT capabilities; €8 million
- NBC materials and one more unit; €48 million
- Participation to a SAR minisat program; €300 million




AIR FORCE:

- Purchase of Fighting Aircrafts to counter-measure the turkish JSF (of course it talks for JSF); €4,75 billion
- Purchase of Fighting Aircrafts to replace the retiring ones of the 2nd generation; €3 billion
- Purchase of Fighting Aircrafts to replace the retiring ones of the 2nd generation (the already signed deal for the 30 + 10 F-16s); €2,5 billion
- Purchase of 40-50 Lead-In-Fighter-Trainer (LIFT) aircrafts; €0,9 billion
- Purchase of 3-4 Air-to-Air Refuelers; €750 million
- Upgrade of the rest of the Mirages to the -5 level; €550 million
- Counter-measure system for the new F-16s; €350 million
- Purchase of SAR helicopters and relative equipment (it's about Super Pumas); €267 million
- Mid-Life-Upgrade of the T-6 trainer turboprop; €225 million
- Counter-Measure-Systems for the C-130s, the CSAR helos, the C-415MPs, and the VIP aircrafts; €75, €20, €10 and €15 million respectively
- Upgrade of the Counter-measure systems of the F-4s; €175 million
- Purchase of 3 more Mirage 2000-5; €135 million
- Upgrade of the counter-measure system of the Mirages; €92 million
- Upgrade of the jet engines of the Mirages; €89 million Euros
- Excercise of the option for the 3 extra C27J-Spartan's; €90 million
- Upgrade of the counter-measure system for the RF-4s; €46 million
- 20 UAVs -and all the required equipment- for the HAF; €65 million
- 3 VIP helicopters; €36 million
- HARM (anti-radar) missiles and lightening pods; €572 million
- Constructions, facilities and machinery for the storage and the maintenance of the new systems; €315 million
- Upgrade of the F-16 Block 50s to the MLU standard; €56 million
- Upgrade of the Radar of the F-16 block 30s; €100 million
- Purchase of Electronic War UAVs; €450 million
- Purchase of UAVs with SEAD and ECM capabilities; €300 million Euros
- Participation to the nEUROn technology denmostrator program; €100 million
- Beyond-Visual-Range Air-to-Air missiles; €350 million
- Air-to-Ground missiles; €125 million
- Stand-Off Long Range missiles; €280 million
- LANTIRNs for the new F-16s; €125 million
- SHORAD Surface to Air systems for the protection of the Airports; €30 million
- IIR missiles; €120 milllion Euros
- Vehicles for the engineering staff of the HAF airports; €265 million
- Purchase of 2 batteries of Long Range SAMs; €334 million
- Purchase of Transport Aircrafts for the replacement of the C-130s; €450 million




NAVY

- Building of 6 new multi-purpose frigates, in two batches (3+3); €2,8 billion
- Excercise of the option for the 3 extra Super Vita missile boats; ??
- Building of 2 support ships; €500 million
- Purchase of floating cranes, light-house maintainance ships, fire-fighting vessels, etc; €270 million
- 5 aircrafts of naval cooperation & ASW; €250 million
- Mid-Life-Upgrade of the 4 MEKOs; €200 million
- Submarine Rescue ship/platform; €250 million
- new Hydrographic Ship; €180 million
- Landing Platform Dock (propably used); €150 million
- 3 S-70B naval cooperation helicopters; ??
- Building of another 6 Super Vitas; €300 million
- 51 Heavy Torpedoes; €110 million
- Transformation of 2 Kortenaers to training ships; €100 million
- Upgrade of all of the Phalanx AAW machine guns to the Block1B level; €88 million
- Upgrade of the Naval observatories (radars, cameras, sonars, etc); €160 million
- Upgrade of all the ship AND land launched Exocets to the MM40-Block3 level; €76,5 million
- Support of the NSSM, ESSM and Harpoon missiles; €72 million
- Peace keeping operations; €501 million
- Purchase of LFAS, HELRAS and TAS systems; €71 million
- Communications system of the Navy; €56 million
- Upgrade of the equipment of the Submarine Division; €50 million
- Purchase/Upgrade/Maintenance of several types of naval guns; €101 million
- Upgrade of the hull Sonars of the frigates; €48 million
- Purchase of personell transport ships and harbor patrol boats; €36 million
- Upgrade of the guarding/security systems of the harbors and the navy's helicopter base; €36 million
- Purchase of electro-optical cameras for the ships; €32,5 million
- 2 SHORAD systems for the protection of the 2 main naval bases (Souda + Eleusis); €44 million
- Systems of Targeting Laser Early Warning systems for the frigates to be protected from Hellfires; €19,8 million




ARMY

- Purchase of 490 tracked Armoured Infantry Fighting Vehicles (AIFV) in three batches of 291+75+124 vehicles each (the 445 Marders purchase is included here); 1,7+0,3+0,7= €2,7 billion
- Purchase of 34 NH-90 army helicopters in four batches of 8+12+12+2; 320+490+487+88= €1,3 billion
- Purchase of 160 shelf propelled howitzers of 155mm calibre in two batches of 48+120; 240+600= €840 million
- Upgrade of the 20 AH-64A+ to the -64D Longbow level; €602 million
- Upgrade of the countermeasure system of the -64A+; €5,6 million
- Purchase of an Apavhe simulator; €30 million
- Upgrade of the oldest batch of the Chinooks in service in the Hellenic Army; €72,5 million
- Purchase of 7 batteries of Medium range of SAMs to replace the Hawk SAM batteries; €607 million
- Upgrade of 172 Leopard2A4s to the -2A5 level; €603,8 million
- Purchase of 32 Leopard 2BUFFEL Engineering Fighting Vehicles (EFV); €302 million
- Purchase of 119 wheeled AIFVs in three batches of 84+14+21 vehicles; 430+48+99= €577 million
- Purchase of 322 heavy armoured recce vehicles for the artillery in 2 batches of 174+148 vehicles; 87+74= €161 million
- Purchase if 164 used Leopard 2A4 from the German Army's stock; €142 million
- Purchase of 369 mortars of the 120mm calibre (they will all be self-propelled on M-119); €208 million
- Purchase of 209 VBL light recce vehicles; €111 million
- Purchase of 125 amphibious AIFVs in two batches of 50+75 vehicles; 100+113= €213 million
- Purchase of 26 special vehicles for the engineering units that support the Armoured and Mechanised battelions; €65 million
- Purchase of 144 more VBL light recce vehicles; €77 million
- Purchase of 162.735 new 5,56mm assault riffles of the Infantry in two batches of 112.370+50.365 pieces; 112,5+60= €172,5 million
- Purchase of 126 long range RPGs mounted on vehicles, with thermals and rockets for 10 days of indepedent fight, and 20 simulators; €136,8 million
- Purchase of 126 long range RPGs mounted on vehicles, with thermals and rockets for 10 days of indepedent fight, and 32 simulators; €136,8 million
- Purchase of 422 short range RPGs mounted on vehicles, with thermals and rockets for 10 days of indepedent fight, and 40 simulators; €155 million
- Purchase of 12 light wheeled self propelled Howitzers of 155mm; €34 million
- Purchase of 18 trailing Howitzers of 105mm; €18 million
- Upgrade of 86 RM70 MLRS; €51 million
- 16 Lenguan bridges mounted on modified Leopard-1s; €138 million
- 39 modern vehicles of mine dispersion; €136 million
- Purchase and equipment for 22 fast boats for littoral warfare (propably the CB-90); €40 million
- one new Chinook; €35 million
- Building of Hard-Shell underground igloos for storage of the munitions; €150 million
- Purchase of 4.592 TOW-II missiles; €160 million
- Purchase of 150 M-109_A3 self-propelled Howitzers of 1500 caliber; €15 million
- 9 anti-artillery radars; €180 million
- Upgrade of 18 MLRS; €90 million
- Upgrade of the Special Forces equipment; €50 million
- Purchase of 6.600 Minimi carbines; €114 million
- Battle Surveilance equipment; €31 million
- 81 mm mortars fully equiped with digital angle-meters, computers, Laser distance evaluators, thermals, etc; €22 million
- 11.000 third generation scopes for the assault riffles of the infantry; €32 million
- 2 certified/modern training centers for the armoured battalions and the infantry; €36 and €38 millions respectively
- 100 armoured medic vehicles, fully equiped; €28 million
- 448 sniper riffles of 0.50 inch calibre; €13.2 million
- Munitions of high accuracy and destuction ability; 2,5+1,2+0,3= €4 billion :shok:
- Program for the new trucks of the Army; €800 million
- Infantryman-of-the-Future equipment (personal C4I, communications, etc); €413 million :thumbsup:

:thanks:
NOW MOVE AND TRANSLATE THE REST... :hathello:

:applause:

army list just added.. :)

good work ...

its very unfortunate this list was leaked we lose the element of suprise. :dunno:

What?

don't worry... the things that must not leak out haven't leaked out, and things are just there to throw dust on some peoples eyes. ;)


Also, it we plan for example to build 6 or 8 frigattes of the 5.600 tonns, simply put, we can't hide it !! :lol:

thats true :rolleyes:

I had forgotten to add the "Joint armed Forces" (GEETHA) shopping list... Done now. :)

He isnt maybe among us anymore...
But in WAFF (Our partner forum of Wyvern) ..The list leaked out translated...
So I add the list translated from Pytheas or Artemidoros...(credits go to them)

Joint Armed Forces:

- Dedicated optical-wire network, stable, land mobile and naval terminals for the support of our communication satelites; €253,3 million
- Participation to the Helios spy satelite program; €160 million
- Upgrade of the armed forces C4I system; €6,9 million
- Upgrade of the SIGNIT capabilities; €8 million
- NBC materials and one more unit; €48 million
- Participation to a SAR minisat program; €300 million


AIR FORCE:

- Purchase of Fighting Aircrafts to counter-measure the turkish JSF (of course it talks for JSF); €4,75 billion
- Purchase of Fighting Aircrafts to replace the retiring ones of the 2nd generation; €3 billion
- Purchase of Fighting Aircrafts to replace the retiring ones of the 2nd generation (the already signed deal for the 30 + 10 F-16s); €2,5 billion
- Purchase of 40-50 Lead-In-Fighter-Trainer (LIFT) aircrafts; €0,9 billion
- Purchase of 3-4 Air-to-Air Refuelers; €750 million
- Upgrade of the rest of the Mirages to the -5 level; €550 million
- Counter-measure system for the new F-16s; €350 million
- Purchase of SAR helicopters and relative equipment (it's about Super Pumas); €267 million
- Mid-Life-Upgrade of the T-6 trainer turboprop; €225 million
- Counter-Measure-Systems for the C-130s, the CSAR helos, the C-415MPs, and the VIP aircrafts; €75, €20, €10 and €15 million respectively
- Upgrade of the Counter-measure systems of the F-4s; €175 million
- Purchase of 3 more Mirage 2000-5; €135 million
- Upgrade of the counter-measure system of the Mirages; €92 million
- Upgrade of the jet engines of the Mirages; €89 million Euros
- Excercise of the option for the 3 extra C27J-Spartan's; €90 million
- Upgrade of the counter-measure system for the RF-4s; €46 million
- 20 UAVs -and all the required equipment- for the HAF; €65 million
- 3 VIP helicopters; €36 million
- HARM (anti-radar) missiles and lightening pods; €572 million
- Constructions, facilities and machinery for the storage and the maintenance of the new systems; €315 million
- Upgrade of the F-16 Block 50s to the MLU standard; €56 million
- Upgrade of the Radar of the F-16 block 30s; €100 million
- Purchase of Electronic War UAVs; €450 million
- Purchase of UAVs with SEAD and ECM capabilities; €300 million Euros
- Participation to the nEUROn technology denmostrator program; €100 million
- Beyond-Visual-Range Air-to-Air missiles; €350 million
- Air-to-Ground missiles; €125 million
- Stand-Off Long Range missiles; €280 million
- LANTIRNs for the new F-16s; €125 million
- SHORAD Surface to Air systems for the protection of the Airports; €30 million
- IIR missiles; €120 milllion Euros
- Vehicles for the engineering staff of the HAF airports; €265 million
- Purchase of 2 batteries of Long Range SAMs; €334 million
- Purchase of Transport Aircrafts for the replacement of the C-130s; €450 million




NAVY

- Building of 6 new multi-purpose frigates, in two batches (3+3); €2,8 billion
- Excercise of the option for the 3 extra Super Vita missile boats; ??
- Building of 2 support ships; €500 million
- Purchase of floating cranes, light-house maintainance ships, fire-fighting vessels, etc; €270 million
- 5 aircrafts of naval cooperation & ASW; €250 million
- Mid-Life-Upgrade of the 4 MEKOs; €200 million
- Submarine Rescue ship/platform; €250 million
- new Hydrographic Ship; €180 million
- Landing Platform Dock (propably used); €150 million
- 3 S-70B naval cooperation helicopters; ??
- Building of another 6 Super Vitas; €300 million
- 51 Heavy Torpedoes; €110 million
- Transformation of 2 Kortenaers to training ships; €100 million
- Upgrade of all of the Phalanx AAW machine guns to the Block1B level; €88 million
- Upgrade of the Naval observatories (radars, cameras, sonars, etc); €160 million
- Upgrade of all the ship AND land launched Exocets to the MM40-Block3 level; €76,5 million
- Support of the NSSM, ESSM and Harpoon missiles; €72 million
- Peace keeping operations; €501 million
- Purchase of LFAS, HELRAS and TAS systems; €71 million
- Communications system of the Navy; €56 million
- Upgrade of the equipment of the Submarine Division; €50 million
- Purchase/Upgrade/Maintenance of several types of naval guns; €101 million
- Upgrade of the hull Sonars of the frigates; €48 million
- Purchase of personell transport ships and harbor patrol boats; €36 million
- Upgrade of the guarding/security systems of the harbors and the navy's helicopter base; €36 million
- Purchase of electro-optical cameras for the ships; €32,5 million
- 2 SHORAD systems for the protection of the 2 main naval bases (Souda + Eleusis); €44 million
- Systems of Targeting Laser Early Warning systems for the frigates to be protected from Hellfires; €19,8 million



ARMY

- Purchase of 490 tracked Armoured Infantry Fighting Vehicles (AIFV) in three batches of 291+75+124 vehicles each (the 445 Marders purchase is included here); 1,7+0,3+0,7= €2,7 billion
- Purchase of 34 NH-90 army helicopters in four batches of 8+12+12+2; 320+490+487+88= €1,3 billion
- Purchase of 160 shelf propelled howitzers of 155mm calibre in two batches of 48+120; 240+600= €840 million
- Upgrade of the 20 AH-64A+ to the -64D Longbow level; €602 million
- Upgrade of the countermeasure system of the -64A+; €5,6 million
- Purchase of an Apache simulator; €30 million
- Upgrade of the oldest batch of the Chinooks in service in the Hellenic Army; €72,5 million
- Purchase of 7 batteries of Medium range of SAMs to replace the Hawk SAM batteries; €607 million
- Upgrade of 172 Leopard2A4s to the -2A5 level; €603,8 million
- Purchase of 32 Leopard 2BUFFEL Engineering Fighting Vehicles (EFV); €302 million
- Purchase of 119 wheeled AIFVs in three batches of 84+14+21 vehicles; 430+48+99= €577 million
- Purchase of 322 heavy armoured recce vehicles for the artillery in 2 batches of 174+148 vehicles; 87+74= €161 million
- Purchase if 164 used Leopard 2A4 from the German Army's stock; €142 million
- Purchase of 369 mortars of the 120mm calibre (they will all be self-propelled on M-119); €208 million
- Purchase of 209 VBL light recce vehicles; €111 million
- Purchase of 125 amphibious AIFVs in two batches of 50+75 vehicles; 100+113= €213 million
- Purchase of 26 special vehicles for the engineering units that support the Armoured and Mechanised battelions; €65 million
- Purchase of 144 more VBL light recce vehicles; €77 million
- Purchase of 162.735 new 5,56mm assault riffles of the Infantry in two batches of 112.370+50.365 pieces; 112,5+60= €172,5 million
- Purchase of 126 long range RPGs mounted on vehicles, with thermals and rockets for 10 days of indepedent fight, and 32 simulators; €136,8 million
- Purchase of 422 short range RPGs mounted on vehicles, with thermals and rockets for 10 days of indepedent fight, and 40 simulators; €155 million
- Purchase of 12 light wheeled self propelled Howitzers of 155mm; €34 million
- Purchase of 18 trailing Howitzers of 105mm; €18 million
- Upgrade of 86 RM70 MLRS; €51 million
- 16 Lenguan bridges mounted on modified Leopard-1s; €138 million
- 39 modern vehicles of mine dispersion; €136 million
- Purchase and equipment for 22 fast boats for littoral warfare (propably the CB-90); €40 million
- one new Chinook; €35 million
- Building of Hard-Shell underground igloos for storage of the munitions; €150 million
- Purchase of 4.592 TOW-II missiles; €160 million
- Purchase of 150 M-109_A3 self-propelled Howitzers of 1500 caliber; €15 million
- 9 anti-artillery radars; €180 million
- Upgrade of 18 MLRS; €90 million
- Upgrade of the Special Forces equipment; €50 million
- Purchase of 6.600 Minimi carbines; €114 million
- Battle Surveilance equipment; €31 million
- 81 mm mortars fully equiped with digital angle-meters, computers, Laser distance evaluators, thermals, etc; €22 million
- 11.000 third generation scopes for the assault riffles of the infantry; €32 million
- 2 certified/modern training centers for the armoured battalions and the infantry; €36 and €38 millions respectively
- 100 armoured medic vehicles, fully equiped; €28 million
- 448 sniper riffles of 0.50 inch calibre; €13.2 million
- Munitions of high accuracy and destuction ability; 2,5+1,2+0,3= €4 billion
- Program for the new trucks of the Army; €800 million
- Infantryman-of-the-Future equipment (personal C4I, communications, etc); €413 million

hi,
nice equipment s you buy .

0.50 caliber gun 1 costs like 29 000 euros isnt it expensive !!
we had the same problem with the long range sniper rifles but small caliber
and we started to produce our selfs and cost like 5 6 times cheaper.


22 fast boats one costs 1.8 milion euro . CB 90

it is like our atack boat project sf bought 2 and one cost like 1 million euro and there were lots of argument how could it to be that expencive.

And again leopard trick just like Turkey they sell leopard a4 to you cheaper than 1 million euro and then to modernize they want 3 million euro for each Leopard. and an up graded Leo costs 4 million euro each .

We must be shoping from same bazar. :)


Kaan

Well,it may be very expensive but don't forget its role.Actually,its more a weapon to use againts material than personal.A couple of well placed shots can destroy or render useless almost anything on the modern batllefield,besides MBTs.

yes you are right well shot with a 50 cal can make great things .

where i made my soldier training was huge army base and we had nearly every body there .
and in the rage field some times ofices shoot with mg3 50 cal machýne gun ( old).

and they brought this new 50 cal us sniper rifle .
the target was 200 meter 2 wehicles . one was an old carier and the other was a old m 48 .


the shots which hit the m 48 get inside the turet.


basicly before shooting we paint the tank. and new holes would be new shots.


200 meter and 500 meter shots all get in. also it has to do with the amunition.

they were talking it is good but who will cary this in the east in the mountains .

well as u say it is good agains apc s old tanks and even helicoters.

but still for the cost !!

i basicly know greece has metal industry and quite well.

u can produce it under lisance. or a new model.

Kaan

Dude...

MG3 is 7.62mm not "50 cal" (12.7mm).

What "sniper" is shooting from 200 meters?! :damn:

And since when was the M48 (even the original) vulnerable to MG fire? :hammer:

sorr y
i forgot

to put , coma !! :hammer:

mg 3 and 50 cal old machine guns.

2) 200 meters because the the fire range was 200 meters. it wasn t to test the range it was to see the power of the weapon.

3) yes m48 not vunarable to m g 3 fire . becase of this they use it there to last for long years as a target. it is a old tank at the end of the fire range


i was mentioning that the new sniper rifles in the west side of turkey which are 50 cal was deployed like year 2000 2001 . and ofices were triying it.
normaly we have lost of dragonovs and g 3 with scopes. but 50 cal sniper rifle was new there.

becasuse they are also used againts apc and tanks so they want to see the efect. and
i can say that they are efective. :thumbsup:

Kaan

I think, KOKORO is reffering to the McMilan TAC 50 50 cal. rifle which is in use widely in Army Commando and Gendarmarrie Special Operation units. http://world.guns.ru/sniper/sn74-e.htm

Hi.




when i first here we oficers will test 50 cal sniper rifle i thought m82a1 like every nato country has . but when we see . it was this. in 2001
it was this . . 5 bullets. quite strong.

it was heavy ,they were complaing about who will carry this in the mountain !!

where i did my army service there were no special ops, but huge school for traing and army ordanence and amunition. basýcly huge shop for army ground forces ;)

Kaan