Post re Digenis post in the Troll Controll thread. It was off topic, so started here. Posted instead of PM for all in the event that others would care to read or contribute, and beacause of the responce from his post

@ Digenis


:wall: :Cursing: :bricks: :hammer: :damn: I just spent 1 1/2 hours responding to every bit of your post and it all got erased :Cursing:

So, as I havent the time to go throught it again, I will just say that many answeres are already in my post that you apparently missed. besides that, I'll just retype my closing paragraph:

Here is where I would draw the line:

and the traitorous position (once again) of the Communists?

So for me, and apparently others, that crossed the line, because Lord said:

And then you continue with:

That was in '42, not '40-'41. Stop for one event the finger pointing, and at their time, post as many of those threads as you like.

Again Lord responds to keep that separate. By that time Uboot is already mad, and responds back, and then you uys have at it. Perhaps had you listened the first time, it could have been avoided, or perhaps just a matter of time anyway. Again, the point is to keep it cosiderite in those situations IMHO.

I hope that answers your question.

Regards,

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I promised not to respond further on this subject but you leave me no choice. Every educated individual has the OBLIGATION to know his own history and to defend the truth. This is applied equally against claims by foreigners (example: Skopians) as it is about other citizens.

George, I provided EXACT QUOTES of the official position of the KKE in 1940. There is no reason for you or anyone to pretend to ignore these facts once they have been presented to you. I have no issue with a peasant that followed the propaganda of the KKE or EAM (as most did not know what they represented). But the views and motivation of any self-declared "communist" has no bearing on the OFFICIAL positions of the Communist Party.

The FACT is that the KKE, via the RECORDED writings of its leader, was demanding that citizens not participate in the liberation of Northern Epirus and to instead work on overthrowing the government of Metaxa. This was all happening in 1940-41 while the country was at war. What do you call these actions? The constitution (in 1940 and today) calls these TREASON punishable by death.

Because I stated a fact that our "democratic" educational system has erased since 1974? Would I also "cross the line" if I post DOCUMENTED information about their positions regarding Asia Minor, Macedonia, or Cyprus (among many)? What surprises me is that so many of you believe in the "hear no evil" approach. A true communist (and I have had discussions with many) would not deny ANYTHING of what I have stated, nor would they have objections to it. It should make some of you wonder why the KKE was split in 1968 (pay attention to the year) if you truly seek answers about the role of communism in Hellas.

Why would anyone be more upset about what I wrote, and not about what the OFFICIAL government has stated? I provided information about how the government has promoted a myth regarding the first casualty of the war (first officer or first "high ranking" officer). And yet this myth has been slowly accepted by a large number of people. What was your reaction to this?

Obviously you are more willing to reject one myth, but somehow clutch to the other (regardless of any evidence presented). It is your right to form any opinion once you have reviewed the evidence.

Here you go again with the finger pointing and assuming. Please show to me how you conclude that I any more willing to reject any one myth over another. Like you said the avarage villiger communist still fought for Greece. I think thats all the pertained in the other thread. If you want me to comment further on the KKE situation, start a thread on it and I will. Don't try to make a square fit in a circle...

I'm not going to make judgments here on any rebelious issues, as they are a diversion of the point. Once again you have totaly past over the essance. And that is, not that your comments were unjustified, but THOSE COMMENTS WERE POSTED AT AN INNAPROPRIATE TIME!

Do you want me to go to a Religion forum and saying how evil this or that guy is, or how Satan is actualy good, on Chriastmas or Ramadan or whatever? Did anyone else start with how tratorous or fascist Metaxas was? No, people gave him respect and honoured his service. There are some line that should out of gentlemanly courtesy be avoided. You asked where, I showed you and explained why. I hope you understand this time.

Regards,


PS no, those cursing smilies are becau of losing the post I was worink on, not at you

What finger pointing?

In the above quote you are denying what I have presented regarding the KKE actions in 1940-41! Was I commenting about 1942? Are you therefore still clutching to the myth that EVERYONE (including the KKE) supported the war effort against the Axis (in 1940-41)?

Some did, others didn't. If one were to claim to be a communist (party member), then they would need to follow the party line. I didn't make distinctions about the people who actually fought in the war, and publicly praised them regardless of religion or political beliefs. I'm not going over this again. The "avarage villiger communist" is not a representative of the KKE.

Is that what I am doing? Thanks for the insight! I didn't know that we need to ignore the official KKE position (when discussing historical events) because some self-declared "communist" might have acted against the party line.

So if you can't disprove the facts, censor them because they are "POSTED AT AN INNAPROPRIATE TIME"? Are you to judge what an "appropriate" time is? Exactly when would I be "allowed" to post on the OFFICIAL KKE position with regard to the war with the Axis? Isn't the day we commemorate this war the most appropriate time? Or should we discuss this in March?

The ENTIRE POINT of the thread was to deal with REVISIONISM, as it relates to this national event (Oct. 28). The targets of this revisionism include Metaxas, Frizis, and the Communists. I'm glad that at least a few people were informed with DOCUMENTED facts that dispel any lies they were fed.

As long as you present sound arguments, you are free to write what you please. Perhaps you ignore the many articles and programs that deal with the "real" Jesus every Easter. You live in the USA so it should be easy for you to have access to them (I recall a front page TIME magazine article questioning the miracles of Jesus the week of Easter).

Now, are you trying to compare the KKE and communism with a religion?

I suggest you read U-BOOT's comments on the subject. He was making a direct comparison of Metaxas (and Aug. 4) to Hitler and the Nazi party. If anyone is guilty of killing millions of people (including hundreds of thousands of Hellenes) as did the Nazis, then that would be the communists.

Agreed regarding courtesy. But the topic discussed has no bearing on this. I was presenting the OFFICIAL KKE position with regard to the events of 1940-41 (as they relate to the TOPIC). If anyone has an issue with this, defend the KKE position with counter arguments.