Edit...violation of the Forum rules/Exocet is banned

With the best regards of the Administration

Who are you?

The right question is "WHERE are you?"
And the correct answer would probably be "On his way to a formal warning".

I think a mod should remind Exocet and Mundine/Aselsan how discussions are conducted here.

But the truth is that I agree with Exocet (or in fact the message he was trying to relay). Can we put all the "plans" away, and focus only on actual contracts (and even some of those Turkey has gotten out of, like the Eryx, AH-1, CH-53, etc.)? Not for nothing, I am just getting flashbacks from the 1980's with PASOK's Andrea Papandreou's "THA.. THA.. THA.." (we will do this... and this.. and this...). :puke3: PASOK leaves a bad taste in my mouth...

This point is passed.I am sorry because he has shown he can post his ideas very competently and i can't explain this behaviour today with consecutive posts of flaming psychology,because the mods started deleting since this morning similar things he wrote and by now his warning bar is 100% ,so as you can understand he is on his way for ban,there isn't any warning left.

@ Digenes and Uboot - Do you guys even know what I wrote? All I wrote in the sub heading was "I dont think Greece can keep up". I meant that if Turkey spends USD $4 billion annually.

What is wrong with that? That is certainly not an open invitation to a flame war. I genuinely think that. Uboot, you may have replied with a flamers intention but thats because we have hated eachother now for 4 years or so! Your thoughts were personal. My post was to inform the people of this forum of the article with a comment that I dont think Greece can maintain that level of spending for long periods.

If you want to debate the comment, feel free to do so. Maybe you can convince me otherwise. Im happy to hear your thoughts on why you think Greece can compete and Im happy to relay my thoughts across.

I was NOT intending to flame at all. Maybe some of you shouldnt jump to conclusions and just debate the issue instead of being so paranoid. Its a great article, discuss it.

I'm not a mod, and you don't have to answer to me. But consider your below statements:

http://s7.invisionfree.com/worldconflictsf...?showtopic=1614
"Athens losing in air battle with Turkey"
The article by Kathimerini was titled "Athens diving in air race against Ankara".

http://s7.invisionfree.com/worldconflictsf...?showtopic=1582
"With our RF4E's flying daily over Greek islands taking photos of Greek sam's, we know where they are.... can we say goodnight to Greek sam's with these smart weapons?"

Your comments are no more "offensive" than what Exocet wrote. The point is that some civility goes a long way in maintaining a flame-free forum. Not to mention, if you wish to make a "loaded" claim (like "RF4E's flying daily over Greek islands") then enlighten the rest of us by providing some sources.

Just my 2 cents.

PS: In this particular thread, the article even mentions that the amount spent is "more or less what we have spent annually in the past few years". If you are interested in determining IF Hellas can match that spending, you can ask or do the research. Making a statement like "I dont think Greece can keep up" requires that you have some information regarding the Hellenic military budget in order to reach that conclusion. Well, do you?

@ Digenis -

So whats the big deal? I have made my own title that means the same thing as the title in Kathimerini. I have also listed a link to Kathimerini so everyone can view it. Its obvious im not hiding anything. I can make my own title, there is nothing wrong with that. I havent tried to lie or decieve. Whats your point?

Again what is wrong here? It is a fact that our RF4E's are taking photos of Greek Islands and I have included my opinion. You are welcome to debate it with dialogue. I challenge you to compare these remarks to someone like Cameleon's comments. You will see that what I say will seem to have been from the Pope's mouth. Anyway, what is wrong with my above comment anyway? Seems to me you are clutching at straws trying to find something offensive that I have said. You wont because I keep it clean here.

If you need clear evidence of this before believing it, then maybe you arent as informed as I once thought you were. This is a well known fact that some of our RF4E's have been upgraded with cameras and have been flying over Greek Islands taking photos of your sams etc.

Well my comment is an opinion. Read it again just ot make sure. "I dont think Greece can keep up".

There are a few reasons. Now as has been pointed out in other posts, over the past 3 to 4 years Greece has bought up very well but have spent a lot of money for new platforms. Greece has a huge debt left over from the Olympics which wont be covered anytime soon with extra tourists visiting. It was thought that Greece will have an influx of tourists after the Olympics that will "help" cover the burden of debt. So far, that hasnt happened. Also, the crowds were very low because not many people went to Greece to watch them compared to that of the last Olympics in Sydney.

The Greek economy is also growing at a pace of a touch under 3% where Turkey's economy is double the size and growing at a rate double that of Greece's.

All the above coupled with the recent announcement from the MOD in Greece advising us that they will be reducing the defense spending by 1.14% for the next 3 years, leads me to believe that, yes, in my own words I dont think Greece can keep up

So I have explained and proven that none of my comments were NOT a flame. I hope now you see that maybe you did read into it too much and over reacted. I hope we can debate things rather than accuse eachother of provoking.

We all hope that Mundine...
Exocet is one of the first "victims" (he is banned by the administration for violating almost all rules of our beloved WCF)
Iam shure some more will follow soon if we are not seeing changes in behaviour...
The Moderators are all in highest alert ...

Thanks and Regards

Lord

Mundine,why this mania to address me in this issue? :) Did i edit your post?No.So?Why don't you address Picard instead ? Picard regarded that a phrase in your post was invitation for flame.As soon as i saw that he removed it,i edited my post too,because i had quoted your phrase and it would be absurd to keep in my post the phrase that the mod erased in your post and my reply to that quote that doesn't anymore exist.As i predicted,if i had maintained my reply,this would have led to further problem.As you see,the problem has come even if i eliminated my post too.This thread has been transformed in a post that should be in the complaints forum instead.

Ask Picard.

Mundine,i m sorry if you hate me,my opinion about you is different,such that i can't post in this forum,but doesn't involve hatred.Hatred is a strong sentiment that we should reserve it for people that deserve the frustration.Now you can also ask Picard if he hates you.

This is strange to hear from someone that just stated he hates me :)

Nobody here Mundine questioned your intentions!After all, when you bring an article saying : “That’s more or less what we have spent annually in the past few years,” said Murad Bayar , nobody can complain about how you arrived to the conclusion that somehow Greece won't be able to keep up.Maybe your thoughts were "personal"? :D

Mundine,

I'm not about to lecture you about your statements, and obviously this would not be the right forum. But Exocet did not insult anything or anyone and he received a ban (I hope he joins us again soon). Just keep that in mind, especially when you post something (the EXACT thing actually) that sparks flames on other forums (which I had to investigate out of curiosity). We have excellent moderating here, and Picard's reaction should act as a suggestion along those lines. Enough on this.

You stated that "RF4E's flying daily over Greek islands" and that "This is a well known fact that some of our RF4E's have been upgraded with cameras and have been flying over Greek Islands taking photos of your sams etc." The Hellenic MoD releases information regarding intercepts in the Aegean, including the type of aircraft involved and the region where the activity took place. Do you happen to have another source that indicates that THK RF-4E's are "flying daily over Greek islands"? Do you have any evidence that a THK RF-4E has EVER taken even 1 picture of an OSA, TOR, ASRAD, HAWK, or any other sam system?

Thank you for the kind words. But information needs to be authenticated before it is accepted as fact. I'm waiting for you to provide sources that support your claims.

When one lacks information, they asked questions - they do not offer opinions. Your own article states that the Turkish procurement budget is equal to that of previous years. The Hellenic defense budget is being reduced by fractions of a percent for a 2 year period. Judging by the procurements made in recent years, ANYONE can determine that no significant change will take place regarding the equilibrium between the two sides (one side static, the other with minor reductions in spending). How national debt (which Turkey has more of and bigger obligations to), the Olympics, or tourism has any role in this... I'll leave you to explain.

He called the Muslims insects...

I did not read that, so sorry for having mispoken. The comments from Exocet I did see where simply "flame-bating" in nature (not to mention all-CAPS), which is what I was responding to.

The thing is that he posted that kebab connection stuff,the mods gave him +1 warning,then he posted the same in a second thread ,his warning was raised more,then he posted it again in a 3rd topic,his warning was full and as cherry on the pie made the insect comment,the admins had no choice but ban.

I had seen that "kebab" comment only, but on two threads - in both of which I asked him to modify his behavior. How long are bans for?

I moved the messages unrelated to the original thread to here. Please continue the debate here... (If you like of course)...

I hadn't seen all threads either,but mods keep a log ,where they paste all events,so that admins can have complete view of the situation.As for the duration of the ban,i don't know,the 2 admins might tell you more on this.I just know that we(the ISS) gave to the admins his data for banning.

Does one have a clue why he (exocet) gone berserk suddenly? This reply in Turkish Navy modernisation topic was very much off topik and... well...

The real exocet (the missile i mean) carries its own oxiditer within. So if the missile does not expoled on impating the ship the fuel of the missile and its oxiditer keep on burning. The fire they cause can make more damage than the warhead expolding.

I wish to hope that our exocet can prevent himself burning comletly in flames.

:attention: B)

ohh forget all...lets choose a dance from Greece below;

Hasapikos (Hasaposervikos), Karaguna, Kleftes, Sirtos Botaitikos, Ýkariotikos (Ýkaria), Sirtaki-Hasapiko B)