As usual Kizir,we ve finished with the usual story.You imply things i didn't say,you bring pkk in etc.I ve seen the film before,i won't watch it again :lol:

I actually agree with things you say,like that it's our fault that we have been idle etc,i didn't say the opposite.

Anyway,i won't explain my objections to your post,because this will lead to yet another post of yours ,where i must point out what i didn't say again and so on.I just finished cleaning my PC and reinstalling the CPU,cooler and fans because they went to 51 C and i m tired of this.

We agree definitely that we are both bored.

The next time the dialoge should start:

"what r u doin ?"

"Watching the game having a bud..." etc. (btw. the game yesterday was really crazy!)

:)

PS Thx Theo for the info.

:D There was a game yesterday?I didn't see it.LOL.

But my CPU is nice at 42 C and with a little nice cooling program i brought it to 39 C.Anyway,9 degrees just by taking off the dust,cleaning fans,holes and putting new arctic silver layer on the CPU.Tired but happy.I m ready to face the Italian summer :D

UB, you should be carefull with removing the dust. If you do it you must do it thoroughly, try not to make the dust end up just become loose which would only worsen the situation. Also consider that the dust can be helpfull to protect your PC components aginst static electric charges.

Thanks Cid,but i m careful,don't worry.I ve assembled the PC on my own,starting from the case,i know everything i ve put in it and how to handle it.The static danger is present when you touch components,so before doing it you should touch a metalic part so to equalise your voltage with the PCs (i thouch some screws)

:lol:

The champions league final MAN ! whats wrong with you ??? ;)


Ps Cid do you think it is suicide to use the vacuum cleaner to get rid of the dust ? ;) till now nothing bad happen :thumbsup: :banana:

LOL UB

Kizir vacuum cleaner, hahahaha. Well you can do that, but you must be really gentile. But I really dont recommend doing it. Use some sort of dust tissue instead.

I use the good old system "blow and clean".I first blow with compressed air the dust away and then i use a small vacuum cleaner (you know those little ones rechargable you use in cars) and catch the little dastards.


@Kizir

LOL!I haven't switched on the television for over a month.I don't have much time for tv and i m too tired to see other people running :D

ok ;) but i hope you will have time and power to enjoy the summertime :)

Cid of course carefully ;) but some parts of the mainboard i.e were so covered with dust that i had to use it....or cotton swabs...

I ve read many articles from magazines on how to clean.Dust is bad.Raises the temperature of the components and in some (like CD/DVD roms) influences in long term their meccanics too.There are dedicated cleaning kits in PC stores,but compressed air can (with no additive) is fine too.Only bad thing is it usually leaves traces on fans,making them "white",so avoid it there and i clean the fans extracting them and with a handkerchief for babies.Once a year i also take off the fan from the CPU cooler,because my cooler had i think 41 copper fins ,but since the fan blows towards down,the dust gets trapped between the fins so at the end the cooler doesn't dissipate heat well.I also put new silica gel in the interface cooler/CPU because with time and heat,the gel loses its performance.
So take the cooler and CPU out of the mainboard,use those cotton sticks for the ears with 70% alcohol to wipe out the old silica gel,i dry it with a napkin and put a new thin layer of Arctic Silver and put them back in the board.9 degrees down :)

I should really clean my keuboard buttons too,but it takes so long and patience.Duh.

@Kizir,i hope to enjoy SOME of the summertime too,but right now,it's a chaos i m into.

I it easnt really good for your PC, but I was just pointing out that dust also has positive side. But I usually use the earsticks too, but its too much precision work.

2 years ago, I was cleaing up the ventilator in my pc from dust particles. In the end it turned up, i broke the damn thing. :damn: It was spinning around unevenly. I had to buy a new ventilator for the pc, luckily those things arent that expensive.

Yes,the fans/ventilators can be damaged in cleaning.They can be ball bearing or sleeve bearing.One of the two,i don't remember which is more delicate and prone to failiure.A pressure with the earsticks must have damaged its rotation meccanism :( Bad luck...I only use quality fans for my PC (Enermax 80x80 with rpm manual regulator).They cost about 10 Euros each,not much for what they do really.My PC case also has a frontal switch with which i can adjust the velocity rotation of 3 fans according to the temperature (so at winter i lower them and pump up at summer).And i have a frontal display on the case that shows me in real time the temperature inside the case (i ve placed the thermometer near the CPU cooler) ,so more or less,even without launching ASUS probe (that tells me CPU and mainboard temps) ,with a look i know more or less if the case temperature is good or i need to give more voltage to the fans

ts ts ts ....old members...mods...all respected Gents...were off topic.. :roflmao:

continiou here please with your very good infos...

Regards

Once a month i open the case and use my 1600W vacuum cleaner. :lol: It catches almost all dust which gets in or remains stuck on the ventilators.the rest gets removed manually. ;)

Anyway,i don't know if its the best thing to do but it works fine for me!

Wow!Now that's power!Be careful not to suck some cables and memory modules too! :roflmao: (jk)

LOL,don't worry!After almost 3 years of uniterupted use i think that the various modules of my pc have fused with the motherboard. :lol:

@Cam
Lol, perhaps your pc is evolving. Something like HAL2000 form "2001: A Space Oddessy" :roflmao:

@UB

The one that broke down was a sleeve bearing fan and also the fan on my current pc is sleeve bearing.
Here is a good site comparing the two sorts of fans:
http://www.currentsolutions.com/knowledge/...ssleevefans.htm

I am thinking of buying a fan (larger so it cool more). Zalman has very good fans.
check it out here:
http://www.zalman.co.kr/

Zalmans are nice and quiet,however,what annoys me,is that

1)60x60 fans ,in order to be efficient,are running at high rpm,giving much noise.Or they aren't noisy,but then they don't cool well

2)You can't substitute them easily if they fail.For example that Zalman from what i see has no screws to take off and put a new fan.

So since last year i only have 80x80 fans that are easily to find here and also easily to replace .My CPU cooler (AMD) is Thermaltake Silent Boost.All copper core,alluminium cover outside and 80x80 fan that running at lower rpm can give as much air flow as a high rpm 60x60.The fan can be substituted with any other 80x80 fan of your choice (i m thinking of putting an Enermax fan on it)



I m very happy with it.It's not exactly "silent",but it's very tolerable.

Actually Zalmans are also easy to remove. In the image I showed its hard to see, here is a better picture showing clearly screwpoints and how easily accesible they are.

Agree with you, they make too much noise when on maximum rpm, but better a bit off noise and good performence than no noise and bad performance. My current ones are also 60X60. I think of buying 120X120 Zalmans.

Unfortunately the image doesn't work for me.Probably the site doesn't allow hyperlinking.The trouble is that even if it's removable,here they don't sell 60x60 at stores.I d have to order it via internet from Milan and pay for the delivery more than the fan costs :)

That's why i bought one with 80x80

If you take a Zalman 120 you should be fine.Zalman has a very good reputation for quiet coolers and finely worked copper designs.

you are real maniacs with fans! :lol:

i've got an 8 euro fan ( Cooler Master ) which i bought with the cpu.Its reasonably quite and has never caused me any problems....

whop and the next step is water-cooling....

Ah,now i can see the photos.Nice!

@Kizir,

I thought about it,but i find it a bit risky for my taste,also they take much space and all these water-liquid tanks...Not for me...So i concentrated in a good air cooling.Many people have unstable PC simply because they overheat and they don't even know it.

Oh wise one,please enlight us! :bow:

And how can someone find out if he has a cooling problem? :)

You can check out the temperature and your fans rpm speed of your PC in the BIOS. You can get there by pressing a button when your PC is starting, the buton is different with companies. Often its ESC, F1, Delete, Ctrl, Alt or any combinations of these.

If your PC temperature is below 50 degrees Celsius its ok, but try to keep it around 30 degrees.
Above 50 degrees Celsius can be dameging your pc.
To keep the temperature low you can:
-Keep you PC out of direct sunlight or any other light/heat emitting objects.
-Install a larger fan
-Use special cases like the arctic silver of UB (when you buy a pc dont buy a black case, black absorbs heat)
-On warm days if you have an ordinary case, open the case so that it ventilates better (but just be carefull of exposure for dust and heat)

Indeed a water cooling system would rule, but so expensive. It would totally rock if you could also have aquarium fish in the water cooling system hehehe

@Cid I know how to get in my BIOS! :lol:

Thanks for your tips! :thanks:

Also do a google search for "speed fan".It's an italian program ,that tells cpu and hard disk temps.But you must compare to the Bios as not always are accurate.

Oh here it is (freeware)
http://www.almico.com/speedfan.php

For example when you 're playing a game you ll see a considerable rise of temperatures compared to when you just go to internet.

Also hard disks should not be over 47-50 degrees

If by chance your motherboard is an ASUS,there is a dedicated program (Asus Probe).

Also,for AMD CPus,there is a wonderful software cooling software S2KCtl,here:

http://www.izcity.com/lib/11112004/S2KCtl_1_40b67.htm It's freeware.The only thing you have to do is set it to run at startup of Windows and select enable Bus disconnect and the appropriate divisors.For Atllon XP Barton it's 8/8 For others it may vary.Somewhere there is a site with the settigns for every CPU but i don't have the link anymore.When you don't have high CPU load,this little program works wonders in keeping temperature low and saves power consumption too

You are welcome Cam. Hahahah glad you know, but many people have problems finding the right problem. In fact I also forgot which button it was for my PC hahahha, I have to look it up :lol:

UB, do you know of any similar program for Pentium 4?

No Cid...


The settings for all AMD CPUs and supported chipsets are here:
http://cbid.amdclub.ru/html/clkctl.html

Supported chipsets (motherboards).Add KT880 to that:

First public release – v1.0b30

Supported processors: AMD (mobile) Duron, Athlon, Athlon XP/MP (all K7 family)

Supported chipsets: VIA KT133, KT133A, KLE133, KX133, KM266, KT266, KT266A, KT333, KT400, nVidia nForce series, nForce2



Engeneering release – v1.1b40

Supported processors (corrected): AMD Duron, Athlon Processors Model 2,3,4 (w/ limitations),

AMD Duron, Athlon, Athlon XP/MP Processors Model 6 & upper

Supported chipsets: VIA KT133, KT133A, KLE133, KX133, KM266, KT266, KT266A, KT333, KT333 CF, KT400,

nVidia nForce series, nForce2,
SIS 730, 733, 735, 740, 745, 755, 746, 748,
AMD 751, 760, 761, 762



Bugfix release – v1.1b42

fixed AMD 751, 760, 761, 762 support

"safe mode" implemented when scroll lock key turned on - settings autoload/save disabled

export CLK_CTL_MSR value to external file (bp integration, more info see on www.rom.by)

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