(I started a new topic because I want everyone to see this)

Okay...I'm EXTREMELY pissed off right now. From how it sounds OOC this own plot is going to be screwed to hell because Agrats will refuse to let the other packs be involved. The only thing to come of it will be the Din'dea looking like weaklings and Kiwidinok looking like a flipping fool for calling the retreat. Mind you, I only allowed her to do that for the sake of this plot. But now, as it is looking, the Amarth are just going to take out Larion and his pack all of their own...though, the Din'dea can tag along. *mutters fiercely*

The ONLY reason I agreed to this plot was because I thought it would bring all four packs together, but now, it's all backfiring on Kiwidinok....which is SERIOUSLY not fair. She's the one who ends up looking like the weak leader. GAH!

I want to void the Din'dea entrance into the Amarth topic. As far as I'm concerned, there are two options.

1.) The Amarth stay out of it(since Agrats won't fight along side anyone else) and Kiwidinok will just go to the other packs and get their help. The Din'dea entrance onto the Amarth lands would be voided...as in, it never happened and we would just bring the Din'dea to the Skah or Isa'fea lands.

2.) The RP with the Amarth will be voided...as in, it never happened and the Din'dea wolves will just go to loner lands instead. Once there, they will regroup. Then, with what wolves they have left, they will take care of Larion themselves. Yes, they only have a few wolves, but I don't care at this point. Given the right planning, they can still win out. Kiwidinok will die if need be, but she WILL die with her dignity intact and she will die fighting for her pack.

Personally, I'm all for option 2 at this point. I don't want the Din'dea or Kiwidinok looking weak for the sake of a plot. And personally, I don't think teh Din'dea needs any of the other pack's help to get their lands back. Mind you, this is also Kiwidinok's thinking.

I can agree with one or two and I can also see how it's not fair that you'd be so leanient of Kiwi making a decision when other people decide otherwise. I agree, the Din'dea shouldn't be made to look weak. I also thought this plot was going to involve more people.

I feels like a bad person. >.< I've worried about this too. I'm not very good at putting things together like this. If I remember, this plot was being formulated before Arohkien lost his alphaship and all that mess went on, so maybe that accounts for something. The Amarth definitely aren't in much of a position to be willing to help the Din'dea, I suppose. Agrats probably wouldn't consider Larion to be a serious threat, more of an overconfident idiot. (Personally, I don't blame her.)

Katie volunteered the Din'dea, I think it was because the pack as a whole had been quite inactive for a while. It's also made me feel bad how much other people have had to bend their characters for this plot, Thunder and Kiwi come to mind first. >.< I hate doing that, really I do. I didn't expect so many of the Din'dea to come back either, but then again... *shrug* I guess that was me being dumb.

I've also felt guilty about forcing that retreat on Kiwi. I mean, REALLY guilty. *sighs* She chose to get Tlon out of there, but I'd agree that going to the Amarth would be too much. There are still hard feelings there and if I were Kiwi I wouldn't trust them myself. ;) (The Isa'fea would remain a possibility perhaps, they are more nearby than the Skah and are on at worst neutral terms with the Din'dea, as far as I know. It would also make sense as the Isa'fea are skilled in healing, they could help Tlon. Of course, I'm just thinking out loud... *shrug*)

This would also help with Zine's needing to get involved. (Everyone remembers I want to kill Larion with him, right?) Also Skath. I was concerned about bringing them to Craban Fen myself, as Agrats would not be too happy about it.

Kristen, do you have any good ideas about what to do? Kiwi is currently the most "able" of the two Din'dea Alphas, now that Tlon is injured, so I think you ought to have the most say in what should go on.

Oh, and on the subject of Thera, I had an idea! ^_^ What do you all think of this? Perhaps, when Larion and the Kargroth discover her, they decide to keep her as a hostage? They could threaten to hurt her if the Din'dea attack them. Then there could be a plot, perhaps, to somehow rescue Thera so the Din'dea can fight against Larion more directly.

Any thoughts? Really? I like hearing other people's thoughts.

I worked it out. Still say there was no need for this -wakes Kristen over the head with a saggy loaf of bread- It wasn't me!

Hm, yes actually ^-^

I already started writing a post to have her wake up and go exploring. Basically she'll come across them and start spying, but she could be spotted somehow and then caught. It could work.

Also...I was going to say something else...and I totally forgot.

Love you all,

*Cecchetti

Zita, don't feel bad, it isn't your fault. It's no one's fault really and I'm not pointing fingers and placing blame. I'm just saying that I'm not okay with the situation.

Before all this I had already typed up my next post for Kiwidinok. I sent it to Nicole and we've managed to come to an agreement. It still won't be pretty for the Din'dea because they still end up looking weak. I still want to just pull out of this plot and have the Din'dea take care of Larion themselves, but hey...I'm already in this plot so I might as well follow it through to the end.

Here's what should happen.

The Amarth agree to help the Din'dea. All four packs are called onto Amarth lands and a meeting of Alphas is held. The Alphas and a select few wolves from each pack go and wipe out Larion and his pack.

Now, I would like to ask something of you Zita. I know you wanted Zine to kill Larion, but I would really, really like it is Kiwidinok is the one that gets to take him down. This way she will end up regaining what dignity she lost from the retreat...and hopefully, she will regain her pack's respect. Plus, it makes more sense for her to kill him because 1.) she's already told Larion IC that she would kill him and 2.) if anyone has a reason to kill Larion, it's Kiwidinok because he attacked her mate, drove her pack out of their home and insulted her along with the rest of the Din'dea pack.



Also, after this is all over...the Din'dea are going to undergo some changes. The Din'dea are going to go recruiting. The time of them being inactive and weak is officialy -over-.

So, does that mean I should NOT post Nero in the Amarth lands, or wait for Kiwi to post, or what?

And ya, I agree with Kristen on this one. There was no real way for the Din'dea to come out looking okay when all of us losers who never post but are Din'dea came up against one silly male who was beating the crap out of their leader. Had it not been for the plot, Nero totally would have been in the fray ^^ Now that Larion's pack has grown, however, they present more of a challenge. Perhaps emotion drove Kiwi to leave her lands to preserve her mate?

So, when do I post? I'm working on a Rani one at the moment, but I'd like to know!

The other problem with this plot seems to have been a real lack of interest on a few people's part. A few people have really thrown themselves into it, but that is kinda it. The meeting then the attacking of Larion offers a quick and easy solution... And would restore the Din'dea.

I'm totally with you Kristen. The Din'dea are going recruiting. there shall be pack meetings and ranks reassigned I think. >:3

~Katie

*flattens ears wolf-fashion* I don't really know what to think anymore. *sigh*

Yeah, I guess it does make more sense to let Kiwi kill Larion. However, I was finally going to do this as a way to "redeem" Zine. Zine is a sort of wandering murderer after all, he's a very good soul but he does kill other wolves for (what appears to others to be) no good reason. I also intended to have him severely wounded in that fight and somehow disabled so that he would be unable to continue his current "line of work", and therefore give him reason to stop roving and perhaps stick with a pack.

However, I'll figure something out. :) Larion's death is Kiwi's now.

Perhaps he could get hurt while attempting to help the Skah rescue Randwyn?

I'm sorry to see some bad feelings came out of this, but hopefully we're working towards an understanding. I just have a few questions....

First of all, where is the Skah/Kisu fitting into all of this? I remember saying I wouldn't have a problem getting the Skah involved (seeing how we're supposed to "unite" the four packs anyway) but there's bee so many little things going on within the Din'dea and with Larion and the Amarth...I've honestly gotten lost. I tried to keep up with the main plot thread, but there would be no updates for a long time, and then a flurry of discussion, that quite honestly I lost track.

I just need someone to reply here or PM me, letting me know how the Skah are supposed to be working into all this, what might be required of all of them, and how Kisu is supposed to fit in (if at all). I saw mention of a meeting of all the Alphas and assume it will be announced when the time comes.

Thanks!

~Kisu

Nero, go ahead and post in the Amarth topic as soon as you can :)

Katie, you and I have a lot of ooc plotting to discuss :P

Digger, Silven(or another Amarth wolf) will be sent to tell the Skah of what is happening. There will be a request that the whole Skah pack come to the Amarth lands. Exact plans on storming Larion's pack will be discussed IC, but Kisu and Fal will most likely lead their group of Skah wolves into battle.

Zita, thanks :)

Kristen is ruining Niccy's fun -runs around crazily trying to find things to still be unknown- Hehe <3

Silven would gladly bear the message. She remembers what it was like to live under Larion's reign, and is rather upset that he's still alive. Besides, she's a messenger now. :)

Okay, here's what I remember "knowing" about the Skah involvement:

Larion would remember what he did to Kyra after he and Zyattiath have pups and, fearing there would be other pups that could threaten their claim to the throne, he would dispatch one or a small group of Kargroth wolves to kidnap Kyra's pups. Randwyn will definitely be captured (Kiara and Brayden can escape or be caught depending on what their players want) and brought back. The Skah would certainly not be happy about this.

I also remember Shaman being volunteered to join in the Kargroth as a spy for the Skah after Randwyn's capture, or however that was to work out.

I was trying to keep the "Let's get this all straightened out" topic updated as we plotted things, I think it might help you out, Digger. :)

I'll have Nero a post sometime in the week: I just discovered some homework I'd forgotten >< But I will sneakily finish Rani's tonight! Woot!

Whew, okay thanks...I think I'm on the same page as everyone else now! ^.^