Okay guys it looks like we have a bit of a dispute here. It seems that our previous Alphess, Bane, has returned to the Skah in the midst of Fal taking the initiative to take the position himself. I might even set up a bit of a poll here...hmmm *ponders*

The question is: Should Bane take back the position of Alphess or should we still offer it to Fal?

MY PERSONAL RESPONSE TO THIS:

I feel that this is unfair to Fal, I believe that he should be Alpha as he has earned it in every way. And I know that Bane's absense was out of her control, but it's not fair to Fal, nor is it right for the pack if Bane suddenly shows up again and is re-instated as Alphess. If Bane had not returned at this moment, Fal would have been Alpha, and it would CERTAINLY not be fair to remove Fal from the rank and make Bane the Alphess again.

Note: This is in no offence to Bane, it's how I feel. This is my opinion.

I want to hear everyone's opinion on this. Even if you are not of Skah.

~ Karli

My Opinion

I believe Bane should take back the Alphess ship for one, because she was in a Car Accident and had to recover. And two, I really don't think fal deserves it cause some have been in the Skah longer that deserve it more than him! I just don't think Fal deserves it.

But that is just me. I believe Bane deserves it. She was the Alphess and do to a car accident, she wasn't able to roleplay the role long.

~Pikachu

Countering Pika's Reasons:

Note: Yep, I know this is your opinion, I just want people to know where I'm coming from here, lol, so don't ANYONE take offence to this or I might have to noodle slap you O___o

Okay, to me, it doesn't matter HOW LONG you've been in a pack. In fact, it irks me to no end to see someone promoted just because they've been there for a long time. That isn't what positions are about. You need to CONTRIBUTE, you need to show INITIATIVE, you need to show ACTIVITY, you need to show CONSITANCY in your post quality, you need to show that you know what you're doing, and the list goes on (yes, another very long list of Karli...I've got a million! lol)

I know she was in a car accident, but BANE was not here in character. I know that's not her fault, but because she wasn't here, her position should be passed on. Fal is much more active, and I believe always had been, and unavoidable absenses aside for both. I actually don't think any deserve it more than him, to put it bluntly. Snowstar maybe, but no other. And Fal came forward first, so right there he deserves it more because he had that initiative to do that.

Trust me, I know role playing. I see when people give good posts, bad posts, I know when they know what they're talking about and when they don't, and I know who would be the best at what ranks. I know who can make it happen, which is the most important thing.

~ Karli

Countering Karli's Opinion

OK, I get ^^ It's fine with me now. I'm braindead and can't think of anyhting at the moment. Than what rank will Bane hold? I'll break the news to her with Snow that she isn't Alphess anymore *shrugs*

Maybe if I stepped luna down than maybe Snow became Alphess with Fal cause I'm better at kind stuff that evil stuff XP lol. I think it looks wierd when people roleplay she is not speaking up casue she was next in line, or something XP

~Pikachu

OMGSH I HAVE TO PM YOU PIKA!!! :o

~ Karli

Oooh this is a toughy... This is a situation where I tend to ramble until I finally get to my point, so please forgive me.

Several Skah wolves are close to Fal, and some know him a bit better than they know Bane. I realize this is an OOC discussion, I'm just throwing that out there for what it's worth. Also, the character Fal has been on Skah lands through all the recent events with the Amarth, the storm, etc. Therefore, he is probably the best qualified (out of the two charries in question) to lead the pack through the next steps. The issue though is this: Although I do think Fal would make a great Alpha, there is discomfort in removing Bane from the Alphess position, given her circumstances. There is a HUGE difference between, if she had said, for whatever reason, she didn't feel like playing here anymore and left, and just now changing her mind, and what actually happened...RL issues getting in the way resulting in her having to recover from what I'm guessing to be pretty serious injuries. If she had just left the site and then recently changed her mind, the answer would be simple. The fact that basically life happened in a big way complicates things...

I guess I can see it both ways. Yes, Fal was in the process of taking the initiative (a noble trait), and then in comes Bane. So I can sympathize with the idea there would be discomfort in Bane taking it over Fal. But then I can also sympathize with Bane's absence being out of her control, and there would be discomfort in removing her position when it's no fault of her own. Like I said before, if she consciously decided to leave the site before and just changed her mind, I'd probably have to have the "tough cookies" opinion.

I guess I'm on the fence. I'm not sure if I've helped or if I've complicated matters, but I can see it both ways and I'm not sure which solution is "right".

Here's an idea I thought of while typing this though - I know there's a serious age difference between Fal and Bane...but what if they became mates?

And I also have to wonder what would happen to Bane as far as her rank?

I personally don't have a problem with either of them ruling, but Karli's right--it wouldn't be right to make Fal step down now that he's been promised the throne. It certainly was none of Bane's fault that she couldn't roleplay, but unfortunately life works in that things like this happen, and real life incidents interfere with roleplaying.

But would letting them both rule be a problem? Personally, I think a wolf gaining an Alpha rank by becoming mates with the other isn't always fair--two wolves don't need to be mates to rule a pack together. Therefore, Fal could have the Alpha rank, and Bane could keep her Alphess one since Fal stated that he wouldn't be picking anyone for that spot until he found a mate.

Just wondering^^

~Sarah

This may sound a bit unfair to some, but I think that Bane's ruling is over...if I was in the Skah, or any pack where the leader left, I wouldn't accept them back as Alpha. Again, I know it wasn't her fault, but we must remember that IC is much different than OOC. IC there was no reason that she left, yes, OOC there was but the wolves don't know that do they?

Also, Fal hardly knows Bane right, so that wouldn't work very well...I guess if that was a last resort it would work, but really I don't see why that needs to happen at all *shrugs*

Bane would have to consult Fal as to what rank she may have. I don;t think that this is a big loss in the first place because Bane merely inherited the rank, it's not like she had to work for a very long time. It was a sure thing. That sounds a little mean, so no offence, it's just what I think. It's what I would think if it was ANYONE.

~ Karli

I don't car eif Bane becomes Alphess. If they both do, than I get to keep Luna as Alphess for the Amarth *hugs Luna* I think I'll keep Luna as Alphess. So, if Bane becomes Alphess, I don't mind ^^ Snow's time will come, maybe

~Pikachu

Wow.. o.0 It feels as though I have caused much disease amongst the SotW family. Now, I don't know if I should be adding me oppinion here, but I shall, as I often create such replies and proove meself an Arsh.

- I also believe it is not fair that Bane return [Reguardless of her RL circumstances] to a rank that she did not earn [But inherited], to a pack who does not remember her. Sorreh, but this is an oppinion here, nuffin 'gainst miss Bane.

- I am in no way to accept a mate yet, as it's been the farthest thing in my RPG mind. It doesn't feel right to me that I should be forced to take her as one just to rule a pack. No.

- The meeting currently unfolding is a Democratic affair, meaning that it should remain the vote, whether or not Fal, Bane, Snow or some other random RPer gets it.

- I believe that due to her prolonged absence [And I find it a bit coincidental that she return right in the middle of said debate] that she not even go for the position, and it's not because of her RL ordeal, just personally. Had I done that I would step down in rank and allow another member to Rise. 'Tis just me. ;)

- Now, to the Admin Note that Snow posted, that just didn't strike me as fair, and though she may withold that right, I wouldn't have stated it so bluntly. XD Sorreh Pika!

Alright, I do believe I ish done ranting. Repremand me now, if you please. :D


- Gilligan

Okay..you wanted to “hear everyone's opinion on this. Even if you are not of Skah.”..I don’t know if I should be doing this but anyway… here goes nothing….

I just joined this site..and for what I’ve noticed until now people here are very nice, polite. .etc..etc ^.^ :P
Even though I still don’t know many people…nor their roleplays…
I’ve been reading Fal’s and Banes Rp’s and the way they behave to this things…actually. In MY personal opinion I consider that Fal is the one for the “job” I tottaly agree with his thoughts ((or at least with what he said..))..and the way he behaves towards this situation shows that
:D

Thank you very much for your input Crystal ^^ It's helpful and it's good to know that you care about the community :)

And Fal, I agree with everything you said. No one shall repremand you as this is your opinion. ^_^

We'll see what everyone else says, however, my own opinion stands.

~ Karli

Would it really be all that bad if they were both alphas? Amarth and even the Skah themselves have had alpha pairs who weren't mates in the pack. However, going on the path of only voting for one, I think it should be Fal. This wolf has done a lot for the Skah pack. Also, Karli makes a good point - if these were real wolves, they probably wouldn't take an alpha who disappeared back. No offence intended towards Bane, but it doesn't seem as realistic as making Fal the alpha, since in the light of Ikari's disappearance, he's the highest-ranked male in the pack.

OKay guys my opinion now! I have read liek everything so here it goes.

Fal should get the part. Why? Well because! He has been active twenty four seven for the last like, forever! ((this may soun da bit choppy but I am not role playing so excuse my bad speech)) Fal deserves the spot. Do oyu not find it odd that Bane, Kisu, and Kaz all returned in the middle of an election? I know it is merely a coincidence but still it is strange. We should go aobut this as if Bane was never here. SOrry bane no offense please my dear buddeh. *huggs bane* WE know Khaz and Kisu are already stepped down so shouldnt their daughter too? She could fight Fal for the position but I doubt that would work. Th eonly reasonable explination is let Fal have the spot and declare Bane as alphena until he finds his mate, then she will be demoted to beta.

Yeah, good points from both Nearah and Winnie. (just as a response to your first sentence Nearah, Fal said earlier that he would rather not have that happen, and I agree that it shouldn't happen ^^ Just to clarify dearie)

But also, in regards to Winnie's comment, I don't think Fal should have to let Bane have the Alphess position. He should be the only one to have the leadership of Skah until such time as he decides otherwise. Bane should simply, in my opinion, take a regular pack rank of his decision.

~ Karli

Well... after reading all of that I guess I could post my opinion wont hurt nothing ^.^

I do think Fal should be the Alpha of the Skah pack simply because he has done much more than most of the other roleplayers in the pack, including Bane. I love Bane's character but she simply accepted members (just from what I saw) and then nothing else. (Weird it my be but I never left this site I was still reading everything. Odd I know ^.^)

And to comprimise with this whole thing and as a VERY LAST result, Bane can fight for the possition if she really wants to. I mean, thats usually how a wolven gets the position anyway. But then again... I don't think it would be wise to have Bane fight and then if she won then the Skah might not like her much because she fought another Skah but since it does happen, maybe they wont.. ok maybe that was a bad idea but its something i guess... staited pros and cons anyway XD

~Nicole

Yep, I agree Nicole. Also to add to that, yeah, I agree, fighting wouldn't work well for Bane, especially after her character being absent. That wouldn't go over so well with the Skah members because of well, number one, her fighting another member, and number two, she wouldn't deserve to after being absent. Or at least I would expect them to believe that she wouldn't.

~ Karli

Ok, I have had enough of this little conflict as to whether Bane should resume her position. I apologize if that sounded rude, it wasn't intended to sound that way. I can't stand having all of this being said about Bane, even if their was no offence intended it is still having an impact on myself, it is only making me feel worse about bringing Bane back. I will have Bane step down, but to what position I don't care as of now.

There is no need to take it personally at all Bane. You're character left, and though you were in an accident (i understand you couldnt post your departure) but it wasnt like you were extremely active even before you left.

You came back, after roughly a month, and expect the position back. I brought Khaz back, but he isnt going to be reclaiming the pack.. No not at all. He'll just be an advisor or an elder, and a good friend to the new alpha (or so I hope^^)

Dont feel bad, its just that, because of your absence, youre going to have to start at a different rung, and work your way back up^^ Its nothing to be ashamed of. Fal has had this planned out even before you came back, so to come back and change everything is sort of rude. In the wild if a wolf disappeared, they would think that they died or something along those lines.. The next most dominant (in this case best candidate) has been nominated to take their place. They all thought Bane was dead, and moved on. Thats it. *shrug*

Shes back now, but the pack has moved on without her. I'm glad that you'll still be playing her, and that you'll let her have a lower rank. She'll be able to start over again; with the rest of her family.

~amanda

*breaths deep* Sorry I kinda overreacted yesterday. Its just alot to deal with. I'll allow Fal to decide what position she should recieve. THis is Bane on another account.

Very well said Amanda ^_^ And thank you for understanding Bane (EEK, it seems I'm not familiar with your real name if you go by your real name on here)

~ Karli

wow major drama *plays music from "As the world turns"* ;-) heh I agree it is kinda spooky that all the old Skah Alphas came back in like one post. o_O Perhaps there is some kinda freaky bond between 'em or something *shrugs* I was so surprised when I saw Bane post, but very happy as well. At least Kisu won't have to go through the heartbreak of BOTH of her children being gone. *huggles Bane* As for the Alpha thing...well it seems it's been worked out. Not an easy decision on anyones part. I'm just glad peoplre are back, and that Bane wasn't injured any worse in the accidnt. (I know where you're comin from...I just got in ANOTHER a few weeks ago...not fun).

Here's my only problem...I know the meeting is important and all, but your former Alphess just came stumbling into the meeting, bleeding and injured, and FELL UNCONCIOUS. Regradless of how you feel about the Alpha issue OOC I find is strange that no one went running to her side except for Kisu. (and Khaz probably will too) It seemed to me the wolves just kinda kept standing around and talking. *shrugs again* I dunno, maybe I wasn't reading carefully enough. Just my two cents. Can't wait to see how the pack unfolds though!

~Kisu

*Hangs head in utter shame*

Actually, I'm surprised at least Keno didn't run to her. And maybe even Snowcone. They were so busy being confused and...

I would post again with somebody going to her, but I think that would be getting a little...*cues theme music to Jaws*...post happy...so... lol

Glad everything's worked out though. I think it's one of those situations where there's no painless solution. *sigh*