OKay, since alot of questions are being asked, i minuswell create this post.

So, post your questions here, and hopefully someone can answer it.

How do u line up salamanders for combat? At first glance it seemed kinda simple to me but after reading a debate on grammar over the skirmisher rules it seems kinda awkward. Now it says to get the maximum models in to base to base to fill up the frontage by measuring to see how many skirmishers can reach the unit charged or reach the model in the skirmishing unit that was charged. Sounds simple enough, but then I saw how a devious player could set up his salamanders first and fill up frontage of the charged unit and not put many skinks if any at all in base to base thus making it harder for the opponent to get wounds. Logic said to me you would measure out from where the line will form and move in the closest models going down the line till u fill frontage. Is that how it is done or can u slip your sallies in there to fill space?

Well, i think i just don't line up my sallies like that. Since they're skirmishers, they aren't all lined up, but they are lined up without touching. I think someone else can clarify it better but that's what I think.

Yeah, I heard something like most unit strength has to be in combat or something, so your suppose to put all the skinks first, but most people play the other way or something? Or am I thinking of something else?

No I dont think you put all the skinks in front (nor would you want to really as Salamanders are quite handy in combat, well much better than a skink any way). The way we tend to deploy them is the Salamander with one skink on either side of it and the third skink behind one of those. Hope that makes sense.

I’ll try to put my question into a situation.

Say I had two salamanders and their six skinks with the salamanders out in front and their handlers trailing behind them. Now suppose this unit was charged from the front with a brettonian lance making first contact with one of the salamanders could I just fill up the frontage with the other salamander or would I have to put three handlers with the two salamanders on the edges.

The rules for skirmishers lining up for close combat don't take into account mixed units.

Okay, going from the rule book page 116, Skirmisher section on Close Combat.

1) "If the skirmishers are charged the enemy is brought into base contact with the closest skirmisher and then the enemy unit is halted."

2) "The enemy is _not_ aligned against the skirmishing model."

3) "The skirmishers form up as explained above and the enemy will proceed with further charges."

Sentence #3 mentions "as explained above" which is: "Any models unable to reach the enemy (because they don't have enough movement or because there is no space left in the fighting line) are placed in the rear ranks so that the unit forms up in what looks like a regular formation behind the models that have formed the fighting line (see diagram)."

This topic's particular question is about how a charging unit causes Salamanders (a skirmishing unit) to line up. The main sentence then is #3 and the "above" clause taken together. However, people also bring up the other paragraph that mentions bringing "maximum number of models into base-to-base contact" and then ranks are formed behind this.

The diagram shows how only 3 out of 14 skirmishers are within charge contact, so only 3 form the front rank. The remaining models rank up behind. However, since it is the enemy charging, question #1 is whether it is the range of the charging unit or the skirmishing unit. I assume the charging unit. So however many skirmishing models the charging unit can reach count towards the maximum front. This is supported by sentence #3 "form[ed] up as explained above" which explains how the front rank is determined by who can reach the opposing unit. This says _nothing_ about total maximizing the units reached.

So if two models are within range, then the front is made up of two models. The maximizing number of models in base-to-base contact is making sure you don't line up the units in a clipping situation so that only a few models (at extreme, 1 model) corner-to-corner with the enemy.

This makes the steps:
1) Determine if charge is "legal". Meaning will it complete, stand and shoot response etc
2) Determine number of models reachable by charging unit. This represents the units front rank.
3) Move enemy unit to first reachable model and stop.
4) Line up the front rank against the enemy unit, maximizing the front rank's base-to-base contact
5) Rank behind the remaining skirmishers.

This brings up an interesting twist to it, in that if a unit of skinks (say 12 of them) are within short range of a calvary unit and are charged. The calvary unit will have no trouble reaching all 12 of them. So the front rank is 12 models wide? I don't think so, but that's the way the rules work out with the above steps. I would change it to have a maximum front rank that matches the rank width of the charging unit.

Okay, but my question was about my Salamanders. What's the answer already?
Assuming the salamanders were out front, then I would put those in the front rank and rank behind as seems reasonable. If the enemy unit has a wide front then additional skinks will end up in the front rank to fight those as well.

What if the salamander unit was charged in the side, then most likely 1 salamander and 2 skinks would form the front rank since being the closest units.

All my interpretation of the rules.

ha ha, 12 skinks wide. correct, skirmishers line up as wide as the opposings unit's frontage will allow, corner to corner. stop putting skinks in the front line when they are no longer in btb with an enemy.

although it does say that if only a few skirmishers are within range, that number is the width of the frontage, it also says later on that the skirmishers line up with as many in base to base as possible. so if all 12 were in range, chances are the front rank will be only 5/6 models wide.

im a first level skink and i would like to know what you chameleon skinks think about warhammer and if you think you are better than me

Ive have got one question for Huan-Gor what warhammer do yuo collect

^ try to avoid double posting, you can use the edit button top right of the box.

I played HE for years, now collecting lizzies.

I don't think there is A difference between what level at you are at. It's the quality of posts that really matters.

Warhammer 40,000 is a strategy miniature game where players design and battle their own armies. Its more than a game, its a hobby.
The universe of WH40k is fast paced and deadly. Players command armies filled with hard bitten warriors, bizarre space aliens, huge walking war machines, powerful tanks and scores of soldiers ready to fight.

The miniatures are plastic and pewter and are with out a doubt the best scuplted pieces around. Players can design and field their own armies or follow one of the traditional ones. The only limit is their imagination.

Ek, Sorry for this but i had to delete the greatone's posts since they were, well they were all spam.

please could you tell me how many posts i need to become a chameleon skink?

hmm, i think its 25, but post count isn't important. its how your posts are interesting and how they add to the discussion that is most important. wecome to the site.

Okay, first, welcome to the forum.
about the rankings, it isn't really lizardmen stuff, so you should post it in OT or site news....ah, blegh....
the rankings can be found HERE, but post count and rank aren't everything, the most important thing is that you like it here, and you share your knowledge and experience with others.

Here Here! I dont really pay attention to the post count, actually. I just know people around here and know how they post and stuff. ill jsut put them here for reference, as this is stickied, and I dont think that post is. With 2000 added in.

0 - Skink
25 - Chameleon Skink
50 - Saurus
100 - Temple Guard
200 - Kroxigor
500 - Slann
750 - Sotek
1000 - Tzunki
1500 - Tlazcotl
2000 - custom title

You can also get acustom title by winning some awards, such as member of the month.

Thankyou for that it has helped me

Leaping back to the topic of Lining up Sallies... my group and I all agree on one very important rule..

Its not about little figures on a peice of wood...although they are all nice and uniform on the table, in THEIR world, its dark, misty...probably raining and cold...its all about the atmosphere and what its like for THEM...

Basically, if an enemy charges my Salamanders, I generally treat it like Beastmen, rank them up base to base with the enemy unit exactly as they are positioned in relation to the enemy's charge for this turn, and next turn, reform them so that the salamanders goto the front and the skinks go to the back.... after all, in their world, the skinks reared the salamanders to fight their enemies, so there is no point in dying to save their lives, they would push and goad them into the enemy and manouver in safly behind them at the same time...why fight and die when there is a huge, fire breathing lizard with huge scales(4+), full of anger and fury stood behind you doing nothing when you are fighting for your life.... no.. you run behind it and poke it in the bum with a pointy stick until it bites THAT way. If the Salamanders die, then you have no choie but to fight...but the Salamanders are there to do the fighting, the skinks just point them in the right direction.. ranged or melee.. seems like the same theory to me.

Thats what a bunch of people said. Though, still, some people want to play by the letter of GW. Personally I like to play a mix. Some rules made up, others exact, etc.

Though, I usually play it sallies are always in front, so they line up to meet the charge, I guess. But, for the most part I agree with D'ya Tinki Saurus Warrior.

I agree as well. Besides, the Salamander base is large enouth to block 3 skinks from combat anyways.

Now...what about Terradons? How do they rank up? Let's say 5 of them.

Terradons are meant to be on 40mm monster bases to you would line them up like an normal unit trying to get as many into bases contact with the enemy unit as possible. Any excess ones that cannot be brought into base contact are deployed behind the terradons in the front 'rank'. Well that's how we play ita anyway.

Yes, I use Terradons the same way.. I can normally get 3 Terradons in Base Combat with a standard enemy.. Only 2 when fighting a War Machine... of course, if you do not hit and run and win the combat and the enemy does not break.....then you can lap around...if you wanted to.

I cannot remember if Terradons break rank bonus like other flyers/lappers... I dont really know, I dont use them in more than 3's and I seldom use them in a direct combat... they like the taste of flanks and rears.

Terridons do not cancell rank bonus because they are skirmishers but if you have five of them then they can cause a panic test when charging in the side or rear of an enemy unit your all ready in combat with and they also give the plus one or two for a flank or rear charge on combat results.

Salamaders:

Right. Much confusion. Apart from the combat rules, there is another complication. Is each salamander given 3 non-transferable skinks? My point being imagine you have 3 sallies with 9 skinks accompanying. 3 get shot (or eaten). This leaves 6. Do the skinks speread out so that each sallie has 2 skinks, or will one sallie go AWOL? Lets extend this. What happens when we get down to 2? Can 2 skinks controll 3 sallies if one can control 1? What about if a sallie passes the monster reaction test and continues on as normal, but then has to eat a skink, when all of its own are dead?

As far as i can see, you either have to treat skinks as chained to their sallie, or as liquid between all of them.

Any thoughts?

if you have more than 1 sallie the skinks all handle them, so theoretically you could have one brave skink handling 3 sallies.

so yeah, they spread out to handle all the sallies in the unit.

if you have no skinks but pass the reaction test, the sallie just doesn't shoot on a role of a misfire.

skinks are liquid.

yes.
you only take a monster reaction test if there are NO skinks left in the entire unit.

on a misfire, d3skinks are killed (for num of hits)

On a misfire of a monster reaction test, in which no skinks are left in a unit, D3 skinks are killed? But ther arent any skinks left to be killed in the unit?

There wont be a missfire when there are no skinks left cus your sallie cant shoot when there are no skinks that handle him!

dear Huanloq,
Ready dude i'm gona make your day. i think there is something you are misunderstanding about the sentance "if there are no skinks left to be removed the shot is just discounted". now this might seem like if there are no skinks the salies cant shoot but what your not seeing is that that sentance is at the end of the paragraph about misfires and is mearly refering to shots which have misfired after there are no more skinks left. so in closing you are aloud to shoot with your salies if they pass their bound moster test.

just a quick question.......in the southlands army list in the back of the lizzie book it says that the horned ones can take the mark of huanchi but in the rule explaination of the mark it says that only models on foot can take the mark. So my question is Is this a misprint in the book or does the horned ones just ignore that part of the rule?

After checking the 2004 chronicals and reading the lizardmen book i believe as far as rules go the unit can not take it because it says under the mark desription "models on foot only" and in chronicals it says spawnings don't benifit the mount unless specificly stated in it descripion like chotek. So unless there is an errata that isn't in the 2004 chroinicals then they are not alowed to have the mark.

damn

I am sure they are allowed to...

<_<

That rule about not being carried over to mounts is only there to prevent Carno's marching through wood terrain. HOR however can take them (wasn't there a faq about this, I'll look it up I guess)

Q :Do blessed spawnings affect ridden creatures as well as the rider?
A :They are not affected except where noted (Blessed Spawning of Chotec)

since it is not noted any where in our book, you may not take the spawning. i've checked every faq and errata that has been put out that i know of and none mention being alowed to take huanchi on HOR. honestly i think that would make them kinda over powered.
unless GW thinks just listing it with the unit as a BS choice over rides the "models on foot" rule and this Q&A wich i got from the GW website

I've wondered about this as well. I'm happy to take hideoosly overpowered light cavalry - I do play Druchii after all.

yeah if you could take it with the HoR it would be sick

meh, woodelves can do it, and they have higher toughness <_<

stupid elves :angry: