FRASIER CRANE:
After reading "Future Shock" by Kristen Sheley, where hovercars are in their infancy in 2007, I started to wonder about something.

As we know, the BTTF world after 1985 is not the same as our world after 1985 (the 2015s will be complete different). In another topic we talked about where the skew in timelines could be (ie, when things started changing in the BTTF world from our world), but I wondered about fan fiction writers. So this topic has some questions for them.

Is it hard writing about Hill Valley from 1985-2015, knowing that the future is "set", knowing what the BTTF 2015 will be and having to create a timeline so it will end up like that in 2015?

Since everything from 1985-2005 is now our past, but still the future for our characters in 1985, does your world skew after 2005, or has it already skewed by now? If Doc and Marty in your fanfiction universes went to April 11th 2005, would they find a world identical to ours, or would they find a world with hovercars etc? (ie, are our worlds the same until 2005?)

I hope everybdy understands what I'm trying to say here. I look forward to some answers!

EDITOR, HILL VALLEY TELEGRAPH:
I can't speak for other fanfiction writers, but when I started writing fan fics back in 2001, I made a rule that everything from 1985 until 2001/2 would be the same in both our world and the BTTF world. Then, from about that time onwards, things would start to change. I did this so that I could refer to world events from 1985-2001, such as the fall of Communism or 9/11, which had really happened. Since as you put it the future was "set", I felt the world from 1985-2001 had to be the same in my fanfics as it was in reality, since I knew what had really happened.

However, now I have decided on an exact date for the timeline skew - that date will be September 22nd 2005. Everything from 1985 to that date will be the same in both worlds, but that date, in my universe, is the creation of either Mr Fusion or hovercars - I haven't decided which yet. My next one (after "Best Care Anywhere", the one I'm currently writing) will have Doc and Marty travelling to this date to make sure the skew happens, or else hoverboards will not be invented and there will be a paradox. In my universe, hovercars etc have secretly been in development since 1999, so their public unveiling in 2005 will mean people can start using them straight away.

That's the way things stand for me at the moment, but naturally things could change between now and when that story is published. "Best Care Anywhere" is taking up my time at the moment, so any thoughts on the next story will have to be put on hold until BCA is finished.

FUTURE GIRL:
Personally, at this point, I find writing about Future Hill Valley way more easier than writing about the real future. I foolishly thought that writing a story set in the future -- where my third book in my original time travel series is set -- would be easier than doing a past time period. (After about 3 years dealing with the middle ages for the second book, I was so over it!)

But I found myself almost paralyzed with the fears of a) not getting it right; B) subconsciously ripping from other films/books set in the future; c) having to describe and make up stuff and technology that didn't exist currently. (This is probably why I've never been into writing or reading fantasy stuff, or stories set in alien worlds.) Very gradually, and after looking at articles and such written about the world and technology in the next 50 years, I've relaxed, but man.... It's still my least fave part of this story.In contrast, writing about Future Hill Valley is considerably easier to deal with 'cause Bob and Bob have already set the tone and given writers a good amount of stuff to work with. It's easy to use the 2015 we saw as a reference point.

And I consider it like an "alt universe" future -- not the way our future really will be!

-Kristen

BLIND SPOT:
Great question - I agree with practically everything (in all three above responses!).

In my universe (which, of course, is how I think it would've turned out) things would be exactly the same from 1986-1990. Part 3 was made in '90! - plus, as evidenced by the circa 1988 Baby on Board signs in the Blast from the Past shop, I think it's safe to say that 4 years were identical.

After that, I'd even say from 1991 to the mid-late 90's would mostly be the same. Maybe some very minor changes, like we'd be slowly going towards hover technology (in its very infancy, but still) instead of computers/Internet. Or rock music staying with a more "80's" sound instead of grunge, maybe TV shows would've been slightly less edgy than our 90's etc. The 1992-96 years were the big "It's the 90's!" era in our world, but maybe it would've been more gradual for theirs.

Overall though, likely no huge changes.

Around 1997/98 is when you'd maybe start noticing a difference. "Our" April 2005 and TP/LP/Eastwood April 2005 would be different, though still not quite vastly (i.e. maybe 9/11 never happened in their 2001, which could start to majorly influence a difference between our world and the BTTF world).

Their 2005 would be about halfway between their 1985 and 2015 (the bigger changes probably happen in the 2000's and 2010's).

When looking at the future, there's two kinds of things you need to predict. One is ways of life, which includes things like how cars and other modes of transportation look and operate, what are the median kind of jobs/industries will be around, medical advances, or even simple household things. Now, the ways of daily life haven't truly changed that much since around the 60's if you ask me (even in the 60's they changed quite a bit. Compare, say 1961 with 1967 and you'll see what I mean!).

The 2nd way includes changes in fashion, or technology and the like -- what I call "logical changes" - where the way of life doesn't shift much, but littler things do. In all honesty, you really can't predict that kind of thing beyond about 5 years very well.

In fact, this is why almost all movies/TV shows, whatnot -- BTTF 2 included -- look at the future with a very 'wildly advanced look of whichever era it was made in' feel. So in a way, it underexaggerates #1, while overexaggerating #2. LP 2015 in Part 2 is really a very futuristic 80's. The Jetsons' kind of future, or World Fairs in the 1930's were ideas of how 1970 or 1980, whatever, might look like from a 30's viewpoint.

This, of course was nothing like how it actually turned out!

(In this past predictions book for the year 2000 that I have, I read an article from the 50's that said we'd have waterproof furniture and, a housewife could clean up by spraying a hose on everything and it would all go out a drain in the middle of the kitchen floor. Well, something along those lines, LOL!!)

Just an example to support how hard it is to logically predict the second category - as recently as 1998, I still bought audio tapes (like, new!) and I rememebered saying to myself, Gee, I wonder how long tapes will be around for - still being manufactured new? I'd guess 2007 or 2008 'cause you still need them to record and it'll take some people awhile to get their whole collection on CD.

Well, my younger self had no idea about CD burning, or that Ipods and MP3's would surge in popularity shortly thereafter. So "new" cassettes, aside from a few in the bargain bins occasionally, became pretty much obsolete in 2002/03 - even I was off on that!!

And that's a simpler one - the culture of 2005 isn't much different than it was 1998. Certainly not as different as 1988 and 1995 were. In fact, now that I think about it, 1998 feels closer to 2005 than it does to 1995!

(The last monumental culture change in that regard was the Internet getting huge, teen pop/boy bands, and South Park - circa 1997. Those things still feel fairly new now, even if somewhat less fresh.)

Maybe the reason for this decade getting off to a slow start is because there was an 80's backlash in the 90's, but there's no 90's backlash - today is almost like a pseudo 90's, although it's slowly starting to break away now. It’s almost becoming more 80's-ish again in the last few months (flashier clothing styles for guys, plus bands like the Killers are clearly New Wave-inspired). I guess 2005 is a mix of 80's and 90's in a way. Yet, since the 90's into the 2000's was more smooth, the transition from the 2000's to the 2010's could be sharp again - who knows what'll be around in the real 2015?

However...getting this back on topic, it's actually easier to look at 1985-2015 in the TP/LP/Eastwood timeline because we know how it turns out in the end. For that reason, I think it's good that we still have 10 1/2 years of leeway on our hands. Imagine if we were writing BTTF fanfics in 1990 - not only would we have to predict how their future would be, but we would've had no idea for most of ours!

PS: As you can tell, I could talk about this for hours!

EDITOR, HILL VALLEY TELEGRAPH:
I must also add to this topic that I find that knowing the future up as far as 2005 does allow me to play a few sly jokes on the characters. It does allow me to accuarently predict their world for the next 20 years, and I can slot in a few in-jokes about the future eg Marty being amazed at DVDs or the Internet, which of course are pretty common for us!

Interesting Blind Spot that your "skew" is 1997/8. I must admit, the only reason my "skew" will be later this year is because I started writing fanfics back in 2002, so everything up until then had to be the same, and as time went on for us I learnt more of the "future", so that had to be the same as well. Had I started writing fanfics in 1995 for instance, the "skew" would probably have been a couple of years after that. I think knowing the future has been both a curse and a blessing - a blessing because you know what happens so can make sure your stories are accurate, a curse because I feel I have to get from "our" 2005 to "their" 2015 somehow.

I'm now undecided about my "skew" though. The original plan was for it to be this September, and any big world events after that date (such as a world leader dying, or, God forbid, something like 9/11) would probably happen in my universe as well, but be slightly different. However now I am thinking about putting the "skew" back to 2003 or 2004, so I can try and incorporate the real world events with the fictional changes in the BTTF universe (eg, maybe there were hovercars attending the tsunami relief effort in Asia earlier this year, which of course did not happen in our world). This would also give us more time to reach the 2015 shown in the films (Our worlds are the same by December 17th 2002 at least, see "No Time Like The Presents", so the "skew" must be later than this).

I'll have to think about that some more now.

BLIND SPOT:
^ Good points, Mike - as always!

Yeah, that's interesting that you brought up your own No Time like the Presents, because that was one of the very first fanfics I ever read, so it really helped form my perception of how other people saw the BTTF world vs our world, so to speak.

This was in early 2003, so it was almost completely current. I especially recall Marty noticing a movie starring Michael J. Fox about a 1985 time traveller being released to DVD (taking the place of BTTF in the BTTF universe, obviously!).

Even when I was younger, I was pretty sure the real 2015 would be nothing like BTTF's 2015. As a kid, I often used the 'logic of years' way of looking at that kind of progression (i.e. if the year was 1994, I thought to myself, "In 21 years, 2015 will be just as different from today, as today is from 1973.")

While now I know it may or may not be accurate to do it like that, LOL, I think there's still some logic in that method.

I always like to imagine what we'd see if we walked around LP 2015 in Part II and just checked everything out in detail - went into all kinds of stores, did research on the trends of the past 30 years and the like. Because of the way Bob Gale purposely wrote this to be a 'comical, exaggerated future', that both is a confine as well as a blueprint (as you put it, a blessing and a curse!).

The same thing has crossed my mind about getting from our 2005 to their 2015 - which doesn't exactly seem like an extrapolation of our present time. When I wrote Look me up When You Get There (still need to do an update on one of these days!), I wrote in TP 2010 as a mix of our 2004 and LP 2015 (which would be the exact same as TP 2015 - sans George's life, etc).

Knowing how the world has evolved up to early 2005, we can write in DVDs, cellphones, Ipods and the Internet for inclusion in their world. But, since there's no sign of those things in BTTF's 2015, we have to make reasons up for them - perhaps the Internet didn't catch on as strongly, maybe it came out 10 years later; possibly only richer folks can afford it, explaining why we don't see it in Marty Sr's house. (Of course, the real reason is there's no way the Bobs could've predicted that stuff back in '89!)

Imagine what the movie industry must've been like in the BTTF universe. We'd be up to Jaws 13/14 by now! However, just like 2002-04 of our universe has been filled with alot of sequels/remakes, it wouldn't be too much of a stretch to think the BTTF Universe would've had that too - that's one thing that works to our advantage!

Just as the Bobs intended it to be, 2015 looked very 'happy' from what we saw (although the newspaper does give us some insight into what daily life and politics were like). Without being too political on the subject, I'll just say that with events like the War on Terror that's happening today -- and likely will have some effect on the world by our 2015 if it's not still ongoing -- it's hard to imagine that being a part of BTTF's history. Or if it was, maybe it was defeated quicker, so the effects weren't as strong or noticeable.

Speaking of this, I'm just now reminded that we know Princess/Queen Diana lived to 2015 (unlike in our world), the skew - to some slight degree - must've happened before August '97.

This brings me back to why I thought of that being the year of my first noticeable skew. Like I said in the above post, it seems like - in our world, 1997 was the beginning of the culture becoming like the way it is now (i.e. the Internet, South Park), which has been probably 90% the same since the end of 2001. I think I could even picture BTTF's 2015 being an extrapolation of our 1994, but by '97, it seems hard to imagine that, based on what we know.

I haven't decided whether or not my version of the skew in both worlds would be simply a gradual series of small things, or a big event (i.e. electing a different president in '96, or Diana not dying in '97) - but I think it's safe to say both could work.

ETERNAL DENSITY:
On the other hand, since the future isn't set in stone (at least not according to the usual temporal dynamics employed in relation to BTTF), the future we write about in fanfic doesn't need to be exactly the same as what was seen on screen. For instance, at the time they left 1985 to go to 2015, it might have been most likely that Princess Di lived, but further down teh timeline, that changed.My point is, we can be a bit flexible.

And also, things are not always what they seem. For instance, all the tech we saw in Hill Valley doesn't necessarily have to be common over a very wide area of the earth.

HOT FOR DOC:
Yeah, I'm more with ED on this one. I do try to stay true to the spirit of BTTF II, but I have added in stuff like the Internet. (I think I make mention in "Fixing Time" that Marty was too poor to go to strict e-mail, thus "explaining" the faxes.)

In my BTTF Timelines, 2005 is when Mr. Fusion is invented, with the hover conversion following in 2011. Hoverboards come a little before that, around 2008-2009 I think. I like that there's a sort of "blueprint" we can use for the future, but that doesn't mean we don't get to play around with it a little.

FRASIER CRANE:
Some interesting responses, thanks to all those who replied!

I guess it is fun to try and incorporate the real history (eg Internet) into the BTTF history which still seemed to rely on fax machines!

Maybe in 2015 someone should write a story where Doc and Marty somehow end up in our 2015 and wonder why things are so "horribly" different.....

Good to see this topic has been saved from the closure of the BTTF.com fanfiction boards! May it last for all time! :)

But back on topic, isthere any fan fiction out there which takes place in a year in our past, but different in the BTTF world (such as a story taking place in a BTTF 2002 which would be different from our 2002)? I'm just curious as to existing stories' take on the "skew".

BTW Blind Spot, good point about 1997. The "Diana Factor" was something I hadn't actually thought about until this topic!

^ I'm glad someone made it through my babble on pop culture, LOL! ;)

Seriously though, I wonder about that myself. Only two come to mind offhand - both Mike Mahoney's.

Everyone Loves a Tannen has Doc & Ritchie going to 1995. I think it was pretty similar to our 1995.

No Time like the Presents was set in 2002, and interestingly I read it in early 2003, so it was still extremely "current". His world doesn't skew until later in 2005, but it was still interesting to see both those years.

So far, I wrote two fanfic stories that took place in 2016 - with a third one in the making - as well as one fanfic story that took place in 2004. I haven't really had the 2004 story skew much from 'our' story. In 2016, though, I have incorporated some of the inventions from our world with the BTTF 2016. Since there was a box of lazer discs where Doc and Marty had placed Jennifer - who's to say that DVDs and CD-ROMs didn't exist in 2016. Perhaps, the vidbooks would be in CD-ROM format. Also, I like Flaming Trail's suggestion about how 2016 Marty couldn't afford internet access - so that explains the presence of all those fax machines in the McFly house. Maybe the internet is considerably more expensive in BTTF 2016, than it is in 'our' world.

Boy, it's been almost a year ago since I last posted to this topic - and I was the last to post in this topic, lol.

When I wrote Cosmic Baby (formerly Red Letter Baby), I hadn't really elaborated too much the technology of that era - but now that I think of it, some of the stuff we see in 2015 from Part Two probably was just starting to go public in that year.

I pretty much chose 2002 as the cut-of date, simply as that was the year Spin City ended - and I'd like Spin City to be the same in both "our" universe and "their" universe. The only exception would possibly be with the episode where Owen Kingston (played by Christopher Lloyd) appeared in an episode - and there was an exchange that alluded to the BTTF trilogy.

I had Doc create some sort of formula that would eventually lead to inventions like fusion, hover conversion, and voice operation. The formula would possibly be made in 1989 (the year Part II was filmed and released), but the early to mid '90s would basically go unchanged.

Jennifer actually wrote a script for Jaws 5: The Rising (that was the name for the proposed sequel that never came to be in "our" world), and suggested Michael J Fox as the lead role! Even in the loser!Marty timeline, Jennifer would probably include a couple Pinheads tunes and let Marty make a cameo appearance. There would be a bit of a difference, though - as Jennifer would probably select newer songs and change Marty's cameo role in the movie. It would just be minor changes, though - that it wouldn't drastically affects Jaws 6-19, if at all. Jennifer even managed to name the Florida baseball team, and she's not even really into sports. I addressed both of these things in Like Mike.

As for Queen Diana, well, perhaps she's the queen of a country other than England.

In Twenty Years After, Marty and Calvin of the Almanac Universe visit the year 2006 to run an errand for Doc. It's probably more or less a gimmick story, as I wrote it with the primary purpose of establishing the technology of 2006. It's a sequel of sorts to Dreams Can Come True, where Amanda Martini from "our" universe in 2006 enter the BTTF Almanac Universe in 1986. As Doc and the twins decide to help their inter-dimensional visitor, the twins note that the future in "our" version of 2006 doesn't look quite as advanced. So, as a result, I had to write the obligatory Twenty Years After.

In the Prized Time Capsule, Marty of the Trilogy Universe head to 2006 to pick up a present for Verne. While there are a fair amount of references to the technology of the era in this story, it's not quite the main focus - as this story has a more involved plot.

A good portion of what we see in the 2015 portion of BTTF2 has already been invented by 2005 - but the Pitbull hoverboard wasn't invented, yet. Only those of the Mattel variety were invented. I figured the Mattel variety would be invented first.

Oh, yeah, and 9/11 did happen in the BTTF Universe. Doc probably knows about it in 1986, as he spends a lot of time in the future - but Marty and Jennifer don't know about it. Marty Jr, Harmony, and Haven never mention it to them either.

The Miami Gators were actually a college team and still are today.

Oh, I didn't know that. I thought they made it up. Guess I'll have to change that, then.

This is wrong in a couple of ways. First of all in BTTF Part II it is said that the Chicago Cubs (the National League team) beat a team from Miami with a gators logo in the World Series. This implies that the Miami team must have been in the American League. But regardless, both teams are Major League Baseball teams and never play colleges except in occasional exhibition games during the spring training before the season starts. That scene in BTTF Part II definitely showed that the Miami team was NOT a college team.

And there are no "Miami Gators" as a college team either. The University of Miami are the Hurricanes. The University of Florida are the Gators but they are from Gainesville which isn't near Miami. The only "Miami Gators" are the fictional team in BTTF Part II. bttf44, I don't think you need to change anything.

Thanks for clearing that up, AlternateStrickland. I'm not much into sports, so I didn't really know.

I'm not into sports either.

I have Marty and Jennifer both breaking gender stereotypes in my stories. Marty really isn't into sports, and Jennifer really isn't into shopping. If Marty was more into sports, I don't think Doc would've been as suspicious about his motives behind buying the sports almanac.

At the end of Part III, Doc says the future hasn't been written yet. What we saw in Part II was a nonsensical, vague "What if Marty and Jennifer returned to 1985 from 2015 with no problems?" type of future. I still can't figure that one out.

As we know, that never happened. First, old Biff altered the timeline drastically, then Marty fixed it in 1955, then Doc went back to 1885, then Marty went back to 1885, then Marty returned to 1985, then Doc stayed behind for years until presumably going to 2015 then returning to 1985, then going who-knows-where? after that.

The resulting timeline, taking into account everything that's happened to everyone, doesn't have to unfold the same way that we saw in that future-that-would-never-be in Part II. In fact, it would be amazing if it was at all similar.

Think of all of the people that were affected between the future scenes in Part II and the ending of Part III: Marty, Jennifer, Doc, Biff, George, Lorraine, Strickland, Buford, Marty's ancestors, Marshall Strickland and son, the Colt peacemaker salesman, the 1885 mayor, the photographer at the festival, Clara, the train engineers, etc. All of these people would have been distrupted from what they had done originally, thus leading to many butterfly effects in 3 different time periods.

Look at the dance in Part II. Different people and clothes than we saw in Part I. The result of Marty buying those spy clothes? Could he have started a chain reaction by standing in front of someone in the checkout lane at a store?

Notice that Marty's guitar playing in Part II is different than in Part I. The result of Marty's different childhood?

Marty arrives at his house on Sunday morning (as opposed to presumably Saturday afternoon or evening in the "2015 trip goes off without a hitch" theoretical history). He has different interactions with his family and Biff.

All of this stuff is a convenient excuse for fanfic writers to throw Part II's future scenes away and write whatever they want.

I like to think that the 2015 that Marty, Doc, and Jennifer visited is only a potential future. That's actually what Doc implied when he said that nobodies futures were written yet.

The one problem with that theory, though - is that 2015 seemed to be extrapolated from 1989 (the year the movie was filmed) instead of 1985 (the year the time travellers met). At one time, I did figure that the future of the new timeline would be more like ours - but then, when I started thinking deeply into it, then I found a few holes. Also, what about the movies that were in filming progress - or albums that were in recording progess - at the time the time travellers left. Would they end up being slightly different from the way they end up in the final timeline, even though the time travellers had nothing to do with the recordin of the album? What about movies that are just starting to be filmed, or movies that are planned to be filmed?

Also, about changes to the 1955 portion of the Part II film, I just blame that on the need to refilm some of the scenes - as different camera angles were needed for certain scenes. When you see all the dancers starring at Marty with stunned expressions, that's the same scene. It's just like, I don't believe that Marty magically aged a few years and Jennifer's appearances magically changed between the events of Parts I and II - even though, believe it or not, a few have tried to come up with ways to explain that.

I don't think the actual BTTF Universe is exactly the same as the movies, too. I mean, I don't think Jennifer's grandmother's phone number really started with 555 in the BTTF Universe.

555 is used in TV shows and movies because no one actually has those numbers. I agree with the last two paragraphs, but I don't follow you on the first.

I believe that all futures that time travelers visit are potential futures. Doc did say that your future is what you make it to be. I don't see how time-travelers going to the future is going to change the present. If the album or film is being made at the exact time the time travelers leave, I don't think any difference will be made.

Let me see if I can explain this better. If every trip to the future is only a "potential future", then how do you determine the cut-off point? If everything from the moment the time traveller leaves is only a "potential future", that doesn't really make sense. I think things would just progress naturally, as long as the time travellers have nothing to do with the progression.

I'm comparing the timeline one sees upon visiting his/her own futue with the final timeline. Would the same songs be released or recorded later on the same day the time travellers leave in the former timeline? What about a week from then? Two weeks from then? A month from then? Six months from then? A year from then? Five years from then? Ten years from then? And so on? Basically, this question is intended towards those who believe the future of the final timeline in the BTTF Universe would resemble more the future of "our world" as opposed to what was predicted in BTTF Part II?

Also, what if the time travellers chose to settle and stay in the future?

I guess you have a point. Maybe not every trip to the future is a potential future, but I do believe that the 2015 they visited is what was most likely to happen if they kept their lives going the way they do. I do believe that everything does progress naturally as the time travelers leave. I think all the same songs would be released at the same time if it has nothing to do with the time travelers.

I think it's more a case one's personal future hasn't been written yet. Basically, it's Doc's way of saying that everyone has free will - so we all have the potential to make our futures be good ones.

I borrowed the idea of Doc being responsible for the inventions of 2015 from the original script, when the Professor was responsible for everything invented in the new 1982. He is obviously a genius, if he can invent a time machine - so why not have him be responsible for the inventions of 2015. I know a few have argued that it was unlikely, as Doc generally didn't have much luck with his inventions - but I'm sure his luck would change, after inventing the time machine.

I guess Marty Jr's visit to the 80s made the future of Marty and Jennifer be prewritten.

You know, I was thinking about that. It's similar to what happened when Marty first visited Doc in 1955.

So, from Clara's point of view, hmmm... I think if Doc and Clara had plans to not return until, say, 1990 - if Marty was to look up the history for them, he would just find out the Brown family mysteriously disappeared sometime during the 1890. With all respect to Mary Jean Holmes, I completely disagree with her theory that the past would be written as though the Brown family chose to stay in the past - when that was never the intention of Doc and Clara.

Now, what if the Brown family chose to spend some time in 2015 - before returning to 1985, and they had every intention of setting in 1985. I guess that's where the part of "your future hasn't been written yet" may come in. Also, we have a confusing mix of time travellers. Clara belongs in 1893 (the day I said they left the past) - so going by the logic of Part II, she would still temporarily have a future self, even if she may long be dead. Yet, Doc doesn't belong in that time period, so it wouldn't apply to him. As for Jules and Verne, well, they're in a very unique position. Technically, they were born in the era - yet their father was from the future, by the kids perspective. So it's hard to say.

Blind Spot wrote a fic concerning what might happen if Biff '55 stowed away to 1985 with Marty, and Nightspore did a similar fic concerning George '55. In both instances, Biff and George still had future selves in 1985 - but Marty didn't. I'm not sure if I'd agee with that theory, though - as I see some big holes in it.

Now that I think of it, I'm wondering if I should consider writing a story where some disturbance in the timeline affects Haven differently from the way it would affect Jules and Verne, simply because Haven was born a century later from Jules and Verne. I just realized, Jules was born in 1886 - while Haven was born in 1986!

In the BTTF/TAT crossover story, where the Browns family returns to 1895 to visit - I'm thinking of maybe having them introduce baby Haven as Emily, which would be a nod to the more commonly chosen name for Doc's third child.