Hello All, Just here to say that I do know this probably will get taken personally on some people... but I would like to comment on everybody's opinion on bttf.com.

You people insult Bttf.com, and hate it so much, and it makes me sick that you would trash Stephen Clarks work, who in my opinion is a brilliant man who has devoted his LIFE to make such a great impression on the BTTF Community, just because you don't like the seriousness of the board (which makes it good) or that you got banned from BTTF.com (for things you brought on yourself!)...

Alt Strickland, or may I call you Chris? You have created a excelling board and have worked sooo hard on it to provide (i dunno) a 'refuge' for these BTTF.com haters, and personally, I find it nausiating that you allow these people to post ill comments towards BTTF.com on your board. I'm not sure maybe you hate BTTF.com as well.... I can see your work Chris, I see how you made this board great since its opeing, but in my opinion, the only way you can top BTTF.com is if it whent offline!

I know this board and my own website are affiliated... and i can see if you want to call off the affiliation after I press the big 'Post New Topic' button, or block me, ban me, delete this post/topic, or close the topic... but I don't think i am gonna be joining in the fun you have in this board anymore either way... until this situation of BTTF.com hatred gets refused from this board by the members changing the ways of www.bttfonline.tk... over and out.

-Trevor Houston
BTTF Online Webmaster
TrevorHouston@Gmail.com

First of all, can you link me to some of these "BTTF.com hating" posts? I am sure they exist but if you could link them I'd be appreicated. If they are really inappropite I will delete them, but if they are just someone's opinon, then I can't really do anything.

I myself don't hate BTTF.com (I still post there but not as much as I once did) but some here do. Most of those people got banned for BTTF.com for some reason or another. The reason I don't post as much at BTTF.com doesn't have much to do with the board itself or Stephen Clark's work on it, but that a lot of topics are the same old, and a lot of cool people I knew there stopped posting there (and for the most part they never came here either) for various reasons.

Feel free to call me Chris. Thanks for the comments about the board. I guess this is a "haven" for some people who got banned at BTTF.com but that is not its only purpose. People from BTTF.com always used to complain that there was no general chat forum for BTTF Fans so that was one of the main reasons I started this board. Some fans also wanted more freedom with avatars, signatures, etc. I started this board because of my BTTF friends and fans. There is no rule that their can only be one BTTF message board and this isn't supposed to be a compeition with BTTF.com. I never tried to "top BTTF.com" and if I did I wouldn't have just made a messgae board.

As for the "seriousness of BTTF.com" I am afraid you weren't there when BTTF.com was one of the if not THE most intelligent message boards I have ever seen online. This was back in late 2002 and in 2003. The quality of the posters went downhill around late 03 and most of the psots became borderline spam. I had a great time at BTTF.com back then but it just isn't as fun anymore. No person at bttf.com is really to blame for this. We just got too many "borderline spammers", stupid newbies, the topics started to be the same old stuff. I am sure Blind Spot (and others) can elaborate and back me up on that.

I still am glad that we are affiliated and I will not close this topic (at least not yet - you bring a vaild point to the table). I haven't seen many of these "BTTF.com hatred" posts recently, most of them are old and those people don't still hate BTTF.com. Please link me those posts and I will take care of them if need be.

Thanks and I hope I helped clear this up. I want to make all members feel welcome posting here. :)

You are correct, alot of them are old, but having them sitting there is still quite insulting to me as I am in absolute love with BTTF.com.

I this topic: http://s7.invisionfree.com/back_to_the_fut...p?showtopic=272
BeanieRobert2001 Mentioned: "I think firetrails agrees that we want bttf.com to shut down."
Which is disgusting, people want it shut down as I am currently fighting constantly to keep it online by supporting BTTF.NET like crazy, buying stuff.
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In this topic: http://s7.invisionfree.com/back_to_the_fut...p?showtopic=131
JollyJamo whent on thru the thread pointing out the Cons of bttf.com (mainly strictness)
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This topic : http://s7.invisionfree.com/back_to_the_fut...p?showtopic=345 Shows many angry comments about Bttf.com's design (which i am fulyl aware happen at bttf.com too) but to have it happen on an alternate site is kinda insulting to Stephen. Alot of work whent into that design... and not to mention indexing all the millions of posts. I didn't really count but there is about 6 peoples opinion abotu the crappiness of the design...
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This Topic: http://s7.invisionfree.com/back_to_the_fut...p?showtopic=220 now, Aaron is the little devil insulting bttf.com
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Okay, so that may not seem like alot, but thats all i found in a quick scan, maybe if the Search function was working, I may find more, but for the time being my point is whether 2 posts or 3,000 posts discriminating the GLUE THAT HOLDS THE BTTF ONLINE COMMUNITY TOGETHER SHOULD NOT BE ALLOWED!!!

Thanks for posting those links. Almost all of those are old with the exception of the one posted around the time the new bttf.com board went up.

1. The first topic you mentioned was locked by me back when it posted. I guess I could delete it now if you want.

2. That topic was posted in May 2004 (almost a year ago) and was locked then. Jolly Jamo hasn't even been on the board since then so I wouldn't worry about it.

3. Most of that topic is just letting people now that BTTF.com is back up. Some people in that topic said they don't like the new layout and some other things, but I can't stop them. They are entitled to their own opinon just as much as you are entitled to yours. The back up their opinon with credible reasons and are nice about it. If there was anything that purley flamed bttf.com that topic would have been locked long ago.

4. "now, Aaron is the little devil insulting bttf.com"
Well you just insulted Aaron. I am sorry, but that is just as bad as the insulting he did. But he wasn't being insulting, he was giving his opinon. I can't ban somebody just because they say they don't like bttf.com and why. I might as well ban people who say they don't like pepsi. If you read the topic you would see that Aaron had some good points, even though you don't agree with him.

BTW, the search function never did worked and it is not my fault. It was put offline on all Invisionfree boards for some reason.
And as you said Bttf.com is the glue that holds the online bttf community for the most part, so I don't se how some people just posting about how and why they don't like it is going to hurt it/ I think its too strong and has too many members to be hurt by that. I am sorry to say this, but apparently not everyone is in "absolute love with bttf.com". Nobody can change their minds, and I can't ban them because of their opinon. But they are mostly old posts so I wouldn't worry about it anyway.

Well thanks for bringing this to my attention. I hope this helps to clear up some things and I hope we are still friends. :)

Wow, I didn't see this topic till now, but I should add some of my thoughts, especially as someone who helps moderate this board. What I am about to say are merely my own feelings and should only be taken as such:

No problem with having a discussion or a disagreement - I think that actually helps work things out when we talk about them. I can see both sides of this coin, but I believe No Roads, you should at least try to be a little more objextive to the other points of view (no one will always agree on everything)

I'm sure you've heard the old saying "Two wrongs don't make a right."

In other words, how do you expect your side to be taken seriously when you put forth an insult? Referring to Aaron as "the little Devil" is uncalled for. All saying that will do is cause anger to flare up even more - why fuel the fire? I remember that topic in question (#4 on your list), and I know that, despite the fact that Aaron was a bit frustrated at the time, he still articulated his point clearly and maturely - he's very good about that from what I can tell and the times I've talked with him.

As for the issue of BTTF.com itself - my personal feelings is that, yes, some people may go overboard in criticizing it, but so do people when discussing politics or anything else. It's not illegal to do so (rude sometimes, perhaps, but that doesn't equate the same way). To suggest someone's not allowed to express their thoughts -- on an unrelated site -- as long as it abides by the rules of the board, well, that's stepping out of line.

That's like saying you're not allowed to complain about school to your parents at home.

I think Stephen -- while, well-intentioned -- can be a bit "stringent" at times. Anyone who raises anything remotely critiqueful/not positive about the site is bound to be on his bad side. Case in point: The big "redesign" it got at the end of last year - when anyone mentioned an aspect of it they were not fond of (regardless of whether or not they were polite, or if they mentioned things they did like), he snapped in with a tersely-worded response, in essence treating the members like 5-year-olds.

Keep in mind, not that I don't sympathize with his work - I'm sure it stresses him a bit to carry on the day-to-day operations of BTTF.com -- I do -- but that attitude is bound to drive people away. Imagine yourself in the shoes of a brand new member who said something like I mentioned above as a first post, and received such a reply. Remember, what doesn't offend one person could offend someone else.

Not to mention, I do not feel it's right to "guilt trip" people merely because they don't buy from the online store.

Yes, as for my own participation on the message board - my feelings are basically the same as Chris pointed out. The "articulate" discussions just aren't happening nearly as much as 2 years ago - in the past year or so, there's been alot of repeat topics, and the general tone of the board (both in posting style and topics themselves) simply doesn't much interest me. Really, how many "2 DeLoreans in 1885" topics, or Ms. Fusion posts does it take before you grow bored of it after awhile? :lol:

Another factor is, the people I came to know (and still do) don't post there much anymore either - some are here now. The simplest explanation of them all is - hey, over time, you just run out of BTTF things to talk about! It's only human. ;)

Now, don't get me wrong here. Let me clarify that anything I've ever been a fan of in my life (i.e. TV shows, songs) I still am. Yet I do have "phases" of liking something a little more at a given time. I have been a massive fan of the BTTF movies since I was 8, and probably will be for the rest of my life - that's not in question here.

I also think this is a nice place for the "old gang" as well as new people who've since joined, to come together online and discuss various things - including (but NOT limited to) BTTF.

Does that help clear it up any?

Let's all just try to get along, alright. :)

^I couldn't have said it better myself Spotty.
You know I had to have my input on this topic, but it's not gonna sound familiar at all. I have learned to let go of my past beefs with Stephen. The truth is, BTTF.com was a place I really loved. I enjoyed going there everyday. So out of anger I may have bashed it, but my anger was more towards Stephen.

Don't get me wrong, there was a time when I would not have been saying this, but I really do thank Stephen for keeping that site up. Even though I do not post there anymore, nor will I, it would be like an old house burning down. Too many memories to let go of. Now I know you're probably thinkin "This guy isnt FireTrails," but it is. I've changed. But I'm still the same guy most of you remember, the only thing that's changed is my outlook on certain things, BTTF.com being one of them.

Now that quote where Beanie said that he thinks I agree that BTTF.com should be shut down, well, that's a very old quote. I stood by that 100% at the time, but lest we forget I was just blowing off steam. Being banned was the last thing I wanted, I never in my wildest dreams thought it would happen. But unfortunately it did, and making a new account would just not be the same. That's why I am so thankful that Chris made this board. It's not as strict, there's several non-BTTF forums, which is a very good thing, and most of the same old "gang" as it has been referred to is all here.

Just my $0.02

^ Thanks bud, and I agree. :)

We all have our bad days, and we're all allowed to make mistakes in life.

6 months ago, I might've been more vocal with being unhappy at the way the board was going, or something was uninteresting, or whatnot, but today it's not something I'll let bother me as much - hey, it's not a matter of life or death.

Sure, I disagree with Stephen's handling of it there, but it's his site, and so, for better or worse, if he chooses to be the biggest jerk in the world (which he's not always - just certain things I don't like) he still has that right in a way.

But, no matter what, if that site wasn't around, there's many many people I would not have met, and discussions I wouldn't have had. Even the experience of it being my online home for 1 1/2 years or so, I wouldn't want to trade in. For ex, it's because of my participation there that I got into fanfic writing - so my writing in general (something I've done since I was 10) has tremendously improved as a result.

So, no matter what kind of guy Stevie is, I have him to thank for that end.

I'm sorry, i must express my greatest apologies for last night, I was in a bad mood, thank you alll for giving me your $0.02. I'll try not to vent like that again. Gotta put my effort into keeping (both) boards a nice place to visit.

Once Again, sorry.
-Trevor Houston.

^ It's all good. Nobody on Earth is perfect (that includes me by a long stretch as well!). :D

Don't worry, folks, I'm not offended by being called a little devil.

I still stand by those comments. Totally ridiculous that those threads were closed. And I'm really tired of having to worry about whether my thread will be closed if it's considered somewhat off-topic. And now the fan fiction forum is going away? WTF? How 'bout that useless piece of junk "Park IV" forum?

I'm still upset with bttf.com. Every day the board gets worse and worse and one of the few forums that actually brings something new to the table instead of the same old topics is being closed. It's really stale and boring now, and the environment is no longer the friendly community it once was, part of that (if not most of it) the result of the strict moderation.

It's a shame, because it used to be such a great place to visit and post. It's just too formal now and it doesn't even seem like I'll miss a thing if I stop posting for months at a time.

Hey Aaron, Actually this will really contracdict what i was just saying, but I made one error on eBay with a BTTF Related Product (no questions please) and Stephen kinda hates me or thats the idea I'm getting. and I am currently not the biggest fan of Stephen Clark or BTTF.com at the moment, even after I spent (with shipping) over $200 at www.BTTF.net he still has got the same view in my opinion!

and to heck with it, the BTTF 4 forum is useless! all it is a place for people to ask when BTTF4 is coming out again and again and again and again.

-Trevor.

Ha, well, welcome to the dark side!

*EVIL LAUGH*

but seriusly, if I owned www.bttf.net and say u spent $200++ at it, i would be forever thankful.. not all "stephenish"

You sound like a very confused young man, No Roads....

First you tell us what we can and can not say, now you admit you aren't too happy with Stephen.

News Flash mate, not everyone thinks like you.

Hopefully not everyoen thinks liek me, this is a fairly twisted thread. But its quite simple i guess, I love bttf.com, then I don't. Opinions do change...

^ In 10 days apperently. And I agree, it is a twisted thread.

Well, I know what he means. Opinions can change at the flick of a switch, so to say. It's like with me and this FX4 Taxi I bought a couple of weeks ago, I loved it when I bought it, but because of the problems it caused on the way home, I ended up hating the thing, but now that it is reasonably more reliable (huge electrical problem) I like it again, although maybe not enough to keep it. Opinions change, its a fact of life.

I'm still a registered member with BTTF.com, but I no longer go there, and probs will never in the future. Whe I first joined I thought it was a great board, 10/10 I would have given it, but since all these new members have joined and posted the same old topics over and over, I would now give it a 3/10 or less.
I don't like the way BTTF.com has 'evolved' but I would never tell anyone not to go there, it is only fair to give them the choice of both boards and let them decide where to go for themselves.

Well said, well said.

yes, well said.

And to proove your point. I've changed my mind on this too! lol

No roads its a cool guy and we all change our minds, I'm in a happy mood now. Not as I was before :rolleyes: :D

awwww :rolleyes:

hehe.