There's Lorraine, Marty's mom.

Milton, (13 in 1955), played by Jason Hervey who played Wayne in the Wonder Years.

Sally, (7 in 1955)

Toby, (5 in 1955)

Joey (1 in 1955), jailbird

Ellen (born in 1956) Stella was very pregnant with her in 1955.

Sam and Stella, the parents.

Something about the family tells me they're from the Midwest. The family has a lot of kids with a stay-at-home mother and a working father. They often have meatloaf and mashed potatoes for dinner. And you can sort of tell by Sam and Stella's accents.

Sam and Stella also kind of remind me of Steve Keaton's parents in a 1984 episode of Family Ties.

Actually, they kind of remind me of Elyse's parents. The father was a pretty hardnosed conservative, while the mother was more loving and suppotive.

Steve's parents seem to be the exact same way. Steve never really got along with his father. His mother was always very loving. Have you seen the episode where Steve's father dies and he gets flashbacks of his childhood?

Oh, no, I haven't seen that one, yet. I heard that Alex cries in that episode, though.

Steve's brother is kind of a jerk. I liked the part where Steve's mom was telling them that she made pies for her grandkids and a savings bond for Alex.

Toby looked much older than 5, I'd say he was 8 and I think Sally was aroud 10 or 11.

Toby looked about 4 to me. It said on wikipedia that he was 5 in 1955.

Yeah, and the Number Two script had him 17 in 1967. Granted, much of what went on in the script isn't too applicable to the final result of the trilogy - but it still gives you a basic idea of the age that the Bobs intended for the character to be in 1955.

In the script for part 2, Lorraine had an Uncle Mickey who sends money. Lorraine sent the money (Which was really Doc's) "back" to Mickey, because his wife Doris was in the hospital.

Lorraine was worried about Toby being drafted as soon as he turns 18.

By the way, Bttf44, did you ever specify what year Sam died in your stories? I know it was sometime between 1968 and 1975. So Sam won't live long enough to disown Lorraine.

Hmm, I don't remember if I did. I might've mentioned it at the Psychedelic Psummer. I'll check later. I really thought much of Lorraine's aunts and uncles. I do remember that I was a little hesitent about using Michey or Doris, but I can't seem to remember why. Maybe it was the whole "only generous relative clause", but I can't seem to remember mentioning any relatives for Lorraine.

Jennifer's Grandpa Norman would probably be Todd and Jennifer's son.

Somewhere, I found out that in 1955, Sam was 45 and Stella was 40.

In my stories, Sam dies in 1969 and Stella is still alive as of 1985, so Stella is Marty's only living grandparent.

That's pretty much the case in my stories. Stella is alive, and Sam is dead by 1985. I haven't thought too much about Arthur and Sylvia. Stella dies at some point after the year 2000, though, which leads to Marty's heavy drinking binge - similar to Michael J Fox, after finding out that he had PD.

I figured Arthur looking like Crispin Glover for thee reasons. First of all, it seems a little unbalanced that George would be the only McFly ancestor/descendant to not look like Michael J Fox - and, also, it sounds like Arthur is very much like George. Then there's also the fact that Marty would've looked more familiar to George '55 - if Arthur looked like him, too. He did know William growing up, but William would've been old to bear any real strong resemblance to Marty.

I've always imagined that, a few days after "Calvin Marty Klein" left, George would look through some old photo albums - and realize that a young William looked just like Marty.

I think in your stories, Sam died in between 1968 and 1975. In That '70s Story, both Ellen and Lorraine made a mention of their father being dead.

Yeah, that's right. I don't remember if I specified a certain year. I'll have to check through Psychedelic Psummer and That '70s Story, when I get a chance.

So when do you think the Baines moved to Hill Valley?

I think I'll go with the same year you used, 1948. So that makes Sally the first Baines born in Hill Valley.

Sounds cool! :)

Maybe I'll say that Sam Baines doed in 1970 - then, that way, it gives Toby two years to establish a good relationship with his father.

I had Sylvia die in 1957 and Arthur die in 1982.

I'm thinking of having Sally crush on Marty when he visits 1967. But this time, Marty will tell her he has a girlfriend. I'm thinking of having Joey join the family at the dinner table, but he only helps himself to bread and water.

Sounds good. Actually, I had Arthur still being alive in 1985, as indicated in The Son I Know - but I said Sylvia was dead then. I'll have to re-read that story.

It makes me feel a little sad that William might be dead by 1985. I had him be a sensitive young fellow in 1903 who looked like Michael J Fox with brown eyes.

I'm thinking about where the Baines family moves from before Hill Valley. I already decided that they moved there because the company that Sam worked for made them. Mickey is from Missouri, and I'm thinking of having the Baines family be from there. But I'm also thinking of having them be from Wisconsin.

Well, that's an interesting idea. I figured they still lived in California, but just not in Hill Valley.

On an interesting note, in the early drafts, it looks like the adventures of BTTF weren't intended to happen in California.

For some reason, Sam seemed to me like the type of person who hates Californians.

He does seem a bit intolerant, doesn't he? I wonder what he's usually like his with his own kids. I elaborated on that a bit in That '70s Story. On the other hand, he did let his kids watch TV while eating. I know a lot of parents who wouldn't let their kids do that.

In the Part II script, he told Ellen that they don't live their lives by television. Kind of a hypocrite.

It does seem to contradict his attitude from Part One, where he say, "Whoa-ho! Look at it roll! Now we can watch Jackie Gleason while we eat!"

I just remembered now why I was leary about the whole Uncle Mickey thing, even though I've found a solution.

I've made a few references to Lorraine having promised to name her fist son after Dave. However, I could maybe do it like this. His real name is David, but his nickname is Mickey. How does that sound?

That sounds fine.

I wonder if Stella's Italian. Stella is an Italian name.

It's possible it could be. Just wondering, how close do you think is too close for inbreeding.

If Maggie was Lorraine's ancestor, but Lorraine's grandfather wasn't William, they'd be second cousins. If Maggie had a sister who was Lorraine's direct ancestor, then they'd be third cousins. Some people believe that we're all closer than 50th cousins.

Okay, I figured it out. Sam has a brother named David McCoy Baines. McCoy is his mother's maiden name. :)

I have no idea how close is too close for inbreeding. I would probably say third cousins.

Well, it is kind of a controversial topic - and I know a lot of people are squicked by incest, which is why I'm My Own Father is probably the most controversial fic I wrote.

Other than that, I think the only inbreeding I ever really did was with Jennifer's parents - was with Jennifer' parents.

Jamie Brown and Bill Tannen in the Haven Universe is borderline - because, even though they were half-siblings pre-crisis, they weren't afterward. Once the girls knock out Miff Tannen, Jamie transforms - and Miff is no longer his father. Also, she never even know that Miff Tannen was her biological father - until after the transformation.

Also, there is no technical inbreeding between the Noguras/O'Malleys. I'll explain the connections in another topic.

Then we have Miff chasing Jennifer, and Griff chasing Marlene - but the girls can't stand them.

Anyway, yeah, I don't think Maggie and Lorraine are that closely related. Just because two people look alike, it doesn't necessarily mean they're closely related.

I know Michael J Fox has Scottish roots, but I don't know if he has any Irish in him. You might have back a few hundred years, before finding any common ancestors of Mchael J Fox and Marty McFly.

Wasn't it Marty Jr. pretending to be Marty Sr. who made Miff Tannen change in your trilogy universe?

I don't remember if it was before or after I made my last post, but I had discussed that with D.J. scales - and that was what he suggested. So, yeah. :)

DJ Scales has all these ideas, but he's not writing any bttf stories.

Yeah, it was him who wanted me to include the Ungers in just about every gang. He even proposed Match from Biff's gang being an Unger, but I had to set my foot down on that one - as it was after I came up with Mitch Mattis.

Melody Brown of the Trilogy Universe is the interdimensional counterpart to Jamie Brown of the Haven Universe. Melody Brown doesn't have the history of being Bill Tannen's half-sister - or if she ever did in any of the Trilogy Universe timelines, she wouldn't remember it.

I do wonder what Lorraine thought, though - upon seeing pictures of Maggie and Alice McFly.

I think DJ is obsessed with the Ungers. Even more than Marty is with Rock and Roll.

LOL! Yeah, I think so, too. Over at the backtothefanfic community at LiveJournal, he kept proposing stories dealing with the Ungers for the monthly challenge - and this month also included the Tannens (they, at least, are an integral part of the trilogy) and the O'Malleys (them not so much). Some of the other members there were getting a little annoyed.

Didn't both Miff and Cliff chase after Jennifer?

I know Miff did in Time Switched. I don't remember about Cliff. Maybe he's chased Linda, though. He's closer in age to Dave. I would've had Miff be the one to bully Marty in 1975, leading to Doc rescuing him - but I haven't come up with the Miff Tannen character until I collaborated with Jennifer McFly.

Does DJ Scales go by icepigeon there? Somebody had to tell him off for making you write so many stories.

Why doesn't he start writing bttf fics?

Yeah, that's right. D.J. scales does have a few fics under his name, but none of them are BTTF fics. I'm flattered he likes my writing so much, but I just can't keep writing for him like that.I'm open to suggestions and all that, but it was going too far.

You know, I haven't thought too much about Milton Baines - except for the fact that he was a soldier in Viet Nam during the events of Psychedelic Psummer, and also that he married a woman named Sally. I had forgotten all about Sally being one of Milton's sisters, when I picked the name for his wife - so it's entirely a coincidence.

Brent Baines is pretty close to Marty McFly, being the same age as him. Also, Milton is the closest to Lorraine - which is why they moved to Massachusetts with the Quagmires in the ASOUE Universe.

Wasn't Milton's wife's name Susan in that story where Calvin gets drunk?