Title: Biff And Dixon
needles1987 - July 28, 2007 06:34 PM (GMT)
They both bullied George. But do you think they may have been friends? I think they may have hated each other. Bullies usually hate other bullies. Lackeys don't count as bullies, so Biff doesn't hate 3D, Match, and Skinhead.
bttf44 - July 28, 2007 06:45 PM (GMT)
It's a commonly held belief that Mark Dixon may have been bullied by Biff Tannen himself - but that he would kick around George and other lesser misfits, just to make himself feel better.
BTW, I did use your suggestion to make Dixon's son be one of Rissy Unger's gang members. Here is what I have far:
Rissy Unger (19) - lead bully and female
Heather Needles (19) - Hank Needles' younger sister
Betty Tannen (18) - Biff's younger half-sister
Matt Dixon (18) - Mark Dixon's son
Another Male Gang Member - need to figure him out.
needles1987 - July 28, 2007 08:08 PM (GMT)
Maybe the second male gang member can be someone not related to anyone we know. Someone who's totally original.
I can see Goldie Jr and Lou III being best friends as well as close cousins. I wonder if Carol and Terry's kids would be friends with them. I can see Carol and Terry voting for Goldie when he first runs for mayor. It wasn't even until 1985 that Goldie decides to replace the clock. Maybe he thought about replacing it for a long time, but 1985 was the year the city had enough money to replace it.
bttf44 - July 28, 2007 08:46 PM (GMT)
Actually, I have Goldie Wilson Jr as being 19 in 1975 and Lou Carruthers III being 15 in 1985 - so there is quite a huge age difference. Maybe I could include at least one child from Terry Vincent and Carol Davenport, as well. Maybe I'll give them a 19 year old girl and a 17 year old boy.
Then, it can be like this:
Girl Vincent (haven't thought of a name, yet) is Ellen Baines' best friend, while Goldie Wilson Jr is Ellen's love interest.
Boy Vincent (need a name there, too) is Sabrina Palmer's love interest, while Greta Wilson is her best friend.
Goldie Wilson Sr is elected for the first time in 1975 - so he hasn't started holding initiatives to replace the clock, yet. BTW, I wonder where all that money the Hill Valley Preservation Society raises goes to. If it actually goes to Goldie Wilson himself, then maybe his intentions aren't as pure as one might think. ;)
I'm trying to think of where to fit Jeb Strickland - who is the Hill Valley High School principal when Marty Jr and Harmony attend. Maybe he can be a little like Randall from Recess. He's not a bully, but he is a snitch - and he has very few friends.
The ironic things is, bullies generally don't have very many friends themselves - just the lackeys - so they tend to be just as much of outcasts as the people they pick on are.
Now, maybe at the end of That '70s Story, Boy Vincent could be paired up with Greta Wilson. That would leave us with Ellen Baines and Girl Vincent. Maybe those two just don't get paired up in the story.
needles1987 - July 29, 2007 05:25 AM (GMT)
I can see Jeb Strickland being like Randall. Always telling his grandpa on other kids.
I can see Goldie Jr. and Greta Wilson, the Vincent siblings, Sabrina, and Ellen all being hippies, or at least extremely liberal. Did you once say in Psychedelic Psummer that Sam Baines died in 1969? That makes it totally safe for Ellen to be a hippie. For some reason, I keep picturing Goldie Jr with a huge afro.
As for the names for the Vincent kids, how about Terry Jr and Terra? That's not really original, but it's the best I can come up with.
bttf44 - July 29, 2007 05:46 AM (GMT)
I'll probably give Jeb a minor appearance, then.
Yeah, I think Ellen and everyone could be hippes - and, yeah, Sam Baines would be dead. As Sabrina is a witch - well, witches usually tend to go one of two extremes, in how they dress. They might either go Goth, and dress up in lots of black - or they might go Hippie, and dress up in lots of pretty colours. Since I'm really big on colour, I decided to go with the latter route. Flaming Trails went with the former, in regards to her Holly Handlen character. I like the idea of Goldie Jr with a huge Afro, as well.
Maybe the girl could be Tara (pronounced tair-uh), and the boy could be Tad. We've already done the Jr thing with Marty McFly, Goldie Wilson, and Lou Carruthers - and also Calvin McFly from the Twins Universe. So I don't want to go overboard with that.
Now I have to think of a good bully name for the other male lackey in Rissy's gang, who's not related to any of the characers we know.
needles1987 - July 29, 2007 06:06 AM (GMT)
I have thought of a few:
Snake
Butch
Boomer
bttf44 - July 29, 2007 06:08 AM (GMT)
I like Butch! Maybe Butch Merridew?
needles1987 - July 29, 2007 06:13 AM (GMT)
| QUOTE (bttf44 @ Jul 29 2007, 01:08 AM) |
| I like Butch! Maybe Butch Merridew? |
Sounds good! :) Butch is my favorite too. I just realized that Snake sounds like he could be related to Spike.
bttf44 - July 29, 2007 06:16 AM (GMT)
Well, I think it's all set, then! :)
I don't want to introduce too many characters. It's going to be hard for me to juggle around 16 time travelling characters in The Next Generation series.
bttf44 - August 9, 2007 03:54 PM (GMT)
The members of Rissy Unger's gang:
Rissy Unger (19) - lead bully and female
Heather Needles (19) - Hank Needles' younger sister
Betty Tannen (18) - Biff's younger half-sister
Matt Dixon (18) - Mark Dixon's son
Marluxia Canata (19) - unrelated to anyone
bttf44 - August 23, 2007 09:22 AM (GMT)
Instead of starting a new topic - I'll post all the Tannen, Needles, and Unger bullies (and non-bullies, lol) here. D J Scales wanted me to compile this list for him:
The Needles:
c. 1880: 17-year-old Bart Needles and 13-year-old Billy Needles (18-year-old in 1885)
c. 1903: 18-year-old Charlie Needles
c. 1938: 17-year-old Howard Needles
c. 1968: 19-year-old Hank Needles
c. 1975: 19-year-old Heather Needles
c. 1985: 17-year-old Douglas Needles
c. 2015: 23-year-old Roberta Needles and 21-year-old Amy Needles
c. 2046: 19-year-old Tom Needles, 19-year-old Chuck Needles, 17-year-old Libby Needles, and 17-year-old Sarah Needles
The Tannens:
c. 1885: 48-year-old Buford Tannen (18-year-old in 1855)
c. 1903: 18-year-old Tiffany Gertrude Tannen
c. 1925: 19-year-old Jiff Tannen and 19-year-old Jill Tannen
c. 1955: 18-year-old Biff Tannen
c. 1975: 18-year-old Betty Tannen
c. 1985: 23-year-old Cliff Tannen and 18-year-old Miff Tannen
c. 2015: 19-year-old Griff Tannen (18-year-old Bill Tannen)
c. 1946: 19-year-old Ziff Tannen and 17-year-old Jen Tannen (18-year-old Will Tannen and 16-year-old Stephanie Tannen)
The Ungers:
c. 1885: 48-year-old Rufus Unger (18-year-old in 1855)
c. 1903: 18-year-old Rolf Unger
c. 1925: 19-year-old Rock Unger and 13-year-old Roll Unger
c. 1938: 17-year-old Richard Unger
c. 1946: 18-year-old Russ Unger
c. 1968: 19-year-old Ralph Unger and 19-year-old Regina Unger
c. 1975: 19-year-old Rissy Unger
c. 1985: 17-year-old Ray "Rex" Unger
c. 1997: 19-year-old Rajan Unger
c. 2006: 19-year-old Ronny Unger
c. 2015: 19-year-old Rafe "Data" Unger
c. 2046: 19-year-old Ross Unger
needles1987 - August 23, 2007 07:33 PM (GMT)
For the Ungers, could you tell who birthed who?
bttf44 - August 23, 2007 08:26 PM (GMT)
I'll have to work on that one a little later! :)
needles1987 - October 1, 2007 01:30 AM (GMT)
I think I figured it out on the Ungers.
Rolf: Rufus' son
Rock, Roll, and Richard: Rolf's sons
Russ: Rock's son
Ralph and Regina: Richard's kids
Rissy, Ray, and Rajan: Russ' kids
Ronny and Rachel: Rissy's twins
Rafe: Ray's son
Ross: Rafe's son
bttf44 - October 1, 2007 01:39 AM (GMT)
Hmm, actually, Russ's kids are these: Ralph, Regina, Rissy, and Ray (Rex). Rajan would be Ralph's kid. You're right on the others, though.
Rissy (19 in 1975) and Rajan (19 in 1997) would be 22 years apart in age.
Ralph (19 in 1968) and Rex (18 in 1986) would be 19 years apart in age.
bttf44 - October 4, 2007 07:57 AM (GMT)
Here is the Ungers family tree:

Regina is actually older than Rissy, but I switched those names around to keep the family tree neat.
needles1987 - October 4, 2007 03:11 PM (GMT)
I know Ray was good friends with Douglas Needles and that Rufus was friends with Buford Tannen and Billy Needles and that Ralph Unger was friends with Hank Needles. Was Rolf friends with Charlie Needles? What about Rock and Jiff Tannen? Or Richard and Howard Needles?
bttf44 - October 4, 2007 07:35 PM (GMT)
I realized I forgot to include Rajan Unger - who would be Ralph's son. I'll have to try to fix that.
The Ungers:
Rufus Unger ~ Buford Tannen's gang member
Rolf Unger ~ Charlie Needles' gang member
Rock Unger ~ Jiff Tannen's gang member
Roll Unger ~ not a bully
Richard Unger ~ Howard Needles' gang member
Russ Unger ~ lead bully, no Tannen or Needles gang members
Ralph Unger ~ Hank Needles' gang member
Regina Unger ~ not a bully
Rissy Unger ~ lead bully, includes Betsy Tannen and Heather Needles
Ray "Rex" Unger ~ Douglas Needles' gang member
Rajan Unger ~ lead bully, includes Betsy Tannen's son (Benny Canata)
Ronny and Rachel Unger ~ Kimberly O'Malley's gang member
Rafe "Data" Unger ~ Griff's gang member, fellow gang member Leslie "Spike" O'Malley
Ross Unger ~ Ziff Tannen's gang member, other gang members are Needles and Tannens
Rajan Unger's gang members:
Benny Canata, son of Marluxia Canata and Betsy Tannen
Max Dixon, son of Matt Dixon and Rissy Unger
Bruce O'Malley, uncle of Kimberly and Leslie "Spike" O'Malley