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Title: Kya Ganey sunna Jaiz hai ya nahi
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SuLFURIC_ACID - January 13, 2005 03:08 AM (GMT)
kya ganey sunna jaiz hai ya nahi kyuon key merey coll key teacher keh rahey they key madina main islam phelnay se pehlay aur islam phelnay ke baad bhi log mukhtalif moqoon per ganey suntey aur gatey they kyuon ke woh un key cultural songs they lihaza humarey haan bhi shadi waghera per apney gane sunna jaiz hai
???is that right...?aur kya Shah Abdul Lateef bhatai ko aik azeem buzrug hasti manna chahiye ya nahi kyuon key he invented a musical instruement Tanboroo????

ashhad4u - January 13, 2005 07:38 AM (GMT)
Salam....
Alllah nay insaan ko is duniya mein is liya bheja kay insaan kamiyad hosakay. kamiabi ka maqsad duniawi kamiabi nahi balkay akhirat ki kamiabi... yani kay Akhirat ki zidagi ... jo Allah khud Quran mein kehta hia kay

BESHAK AKHIRAT KI ZINDAGI HI BEHTREEN ZINDAGI HAI

aur eik jaga irshaad hai kay..

AUR KHUSHNASEEB HAIN WOH LOOG JO AAG SAY BACHA LIYA GAYEE AUR WOH KYA HI BURI AAG HAI

yani ky insaan kay anay ka asal maqsad yeh kay jab woh yahan say matlab is duniya say wapis jaye to kamiab hokay jaye.. na kay nakam hookay... Alllah SWT wakayee insaan par kitnay meharbaan hian kay kal woh humsay jo jo sawalat pochaingay woh sawal bhi duniya mein hi batadiya...
aur in sawaloon ko hal kis tarha karna hai is ko bhi duniya mein hi bata dia... kay jo jo Allah kay hukum ko NABI PBUH kay tareekon say poora karaiga.. bas woh kamiab hooga aur koi nahi...
yani kay NABI PBUH ka tareeka duniya aur akhirat donoon mein kamiayabi kay ZAMIN hai...

Yahan par eik bohat hi choota sa masla aur bohat hi ghaur talab masla eik discuss karna chahta hoon jis ko hum loog bhool gaye hain.. aur yeh hamari hi ghalti hai... insaan jab koi kam buraye samajh kay karta hai to usko Alllah SWT maafi ki taufeeq daitay hain.. lekin jab koi aadmi koi bura kaam karaiga aur usko bura hi nahi samjhaiga to zahir hi si baat hai. kay usko maafi ki taufeeq bhi nahi hoogi.. Q kay uskay nazdeek woh bura kaam hi nahi hia..

HUM LOOG SHARAB Q NAHI PEETAY ???
HUM LOOG ZINA Q NAHI KARTAY ???
YA HUM LOOOG KHANZEER Q NAHI KHATAY ???

as a muslim iska simple sa eik jawab hai kay yeh sab chezain islam mein mana hain aur haram hain.. aur jabih hum insay bachtay bhi hain aur Allah say yeh ummed bhi rakhtay hain kay marnay tak bachay rahain...

yahan par to mamla agaya HARAM ka... kya humnay yeh kabhi soocha kay MUSIC jis ko hum har wakt apnay kanoon say lagaye rakhtay hain...
jis ki awaz par hamaray sir jhoomtay hain..
jis ki awaz par hamara pair madhoosh hotay hian..
hamain bazahir taur par sukoon milta hai...
aur waghaira waghaira...
so MUSIC kya hai ???

Kya Alllah SWT nay isko QURAN mein Haram nahi bola ???


Surah e Luqman ayat number 6

" kuch loog aisay hian jo in batoon kay kharidaar hain.. ko Allah say ghafil karnay wali hain.. takay be samjhay boojhay Allah ki rah say bhatkain aur iksa mazak urain aisay logon kay liya Zillat ka aazab hai."



is ayat ki tafseer mein Akibireen sahaba jaisay Abdullah bin Masood.. (RA) aur doosray bohat say sahabaion ka kehna hai kay yeh Ayat GANAY kay baray mein nazil hoi aur yeh baat hadeeson say bhi sabit hia...
aur ayat kay mafhom say bhi andaza horaha hai kay yeh aise hi cheez ko indicate kar rahi hai..

yahan par hamain yeh soochna chahiyya kay MUSIC jis ko ap taur par loog HARAM honay ka tassawwur bhi nahi kartay aur iskay liya bari daleelain daitay hain.. . kay yeh haram nahi hia waghaira waghaira...
is cheez say hum kaisay bachain aur Allah say is chez ki baaray mein AFIAT to hum jab mangaingay kay jab hamain iskay HARAM honay ka tasuwwur hoo...

mein yahan par sirf yeh baat arz karna chahta hoon kay hum is aadat say itni jaldi chutkara nahi pa saktay ... ismein hamari hi ghalti hai.. lekin agar hum iskay baray mein sochaingay jasiay kay hum SHARAB ZINA AUR KHANZEER kay baray mein socha hai aur Allah nay hamain ALhamdullillah us say bachaya hoa hia.. to Allah SWT hamain is say bhi InshAllah zaroor bachaingay...

may Allah SWT Help us to understand
JazakAlllah



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Roswell - January 13, 2005 03:31 PM (GMT)
Salaam Maulana Admin :)

Great Article ;)

hehehhe

SuLFURIC_ACID - January 14, 2005 02:05 AM (GMT)
lekin ashhad bhai what about my teacher
u know he's prof. in my college(DEHLI) unhoon ney poori daleelon se bataya key aap hulka phulka music sun saktey hain...What abt that??
ab zahir hai woh sabzi bech ker to itney barey coll. ke prof. nahi baney...

DarkDeed - January 14, 2005 05:20 AM (GMT)
Miney aik jaga parha hai key agar Namaz ka waqt na ho, aur ganey ki Shairi Fahish na ho to music sun saktey hain.. Is mein koi burai nahin.. na aap kisi doosrey ko nuqsan pohncha rahey hain na apney aap ko..
Lekin yeh meri raey nahin... Meiney Suna Hai..

ashhad4u - January 14, 2005 05:45 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (SuLFURIC_ACID @ Jan 14 2005, 07:05 AM)
lekin ashhad bhai what about my teacher
u know he's prof. in my college(DEHLI) unhoon ney poori daleelon se bataya key aap hulka phulka music sun saktey hain...What abt that??
ab zahir hai woh sabzi bech ker to itney barey coll. ke prof. nahi baney...

:salamL sulfuric..

diekhain.. ganay sunnay kay mutalliq bohat sari aur bohat authentic hadisain maujood hian.. jis ki bina par music ko haram qarar dia hia .... aur jasiay kay meinay apni last post mein kafi detail say likhdia hai .
aap plz apnay sir ko is post ka printout nikalwa kay day dain.. takay woh is cheez par mazeed rooshni dal sakain

:)


uzair - January 14, 2005 03:01 PM (GMT)
thanks ashad bahi .. mei bhi abh se koshish karoonga .. gana na sunnne ki .. perbht mushil lagraha hei yeh kaam .. kher i'll try ma best .. thanks ..


ashad bahi ko vote do ..

SuLFURIC_ACID - January 15, 2005 02:05 AM (GMT)
haan ashhad bhai i will try to give him a copy of ur article
wasey good article
...

SuLFURIC_ACID - January 19, 2005 02:38 AM (GMT)
lekin what about my second question??
kya shah abdul lateef bhataii deeni buzrug hain ya nahi???he invented Tamboroo and promoted islam with that instruement??

ashhad4u - January 19, 2005 03:28 AM (GMT)
:salam::: Sulfuric...

i 'll describe the difference bw sound n music... wait for ma next post

k Allah hafiz

SuLFURIC_ACID - February 27, 2007 01:13 PM (GMT)
AshhaD Bhai LOng Time No See Main WaiT karta Reh gaya Is Question key Answer Ka ?

usmanmkhan - March 2, 2007 06:47 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (SuLFURIC_ACID @ Jan 14 2005, 07:05 AM)
lekin ashhad bhai what about my teacher
u know he's prof. in my college(DEHLI) unhoon ney poori daleelon se bataya key aap hulka phulka music sun saktey hain...What abt that??
ab zahir hai woh sabzi bech ker to itney barey coll. ke prof. nahi baney...

Meray bhai deen ittiba ka naam hai in aqli daleelon ka naam deen nahi hai misal kay tor per aqal to hum ko yeh batayegi kay fajar kay do farz parhnay ki bajaye 4 farz parhlo ziada sawab milayga lihaza hum nay aqal ki baat sun ker 4 farz parhay to 4 farz humari nijat ka sabab bannay ki bajaye pakar ka sabab ban jayengay kion kay yahan dunya mein insan ko aqal chalanay kay liye nahi bulkay Allah kay ehkamat ko nabi pak S.A.W kay tareekhon kay mutabiq zindagi guzarnay kay liye bhaija hai.

Doosri baat yeh kay aapkay teacher sabzi baich ker prof nahi banay to bhai jis tarah koi sabzi bech ker prof nahi bansakta isi tarah koi shakhs college mein parha ker deen ka alim bhi nahi bansakta yeh to aisi he baat hogai jaisay koi engineer doctor ko bata raha hai tum jo parhez bata rahay ho woh sahi nahi hai.is liye kehtay hain bhai "jis ka kaam usi ko sanjhay".lihaza deen ka mamla ho to allah walon kay paas jaker unsay raye lo

ashhad4u - March 2, 2007 09:52 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (SuLFURIC_ACID @ Jan 14 2005, 07:05 AM)
lekin ashhad bhai what about my teacher
u know he's prof. in my college(DEHLI) unhoon ney poori daleelon se bataya key aap hulka phulka music sun saktey hain...What abt that??
ab zahir hai woh sabzi bech ker to itney barey coll. ke prof. nahi baney...

Salam Brother Fahad...
Mazrat kay sath coz kay meinay shayad aapki post ko parha nahi tha warna kafi pehlay reply kardaita... any way...

Brother sab say pehlay to yeh cheez aap rakhlain ky jis cheez ka hukum Alllah aur uskay rasool nahi dia hai uski itteba hamain karni hi karni hia.. jaisay 5 wakt ki namaz... waghaira waghaira...

bilkul isi tarha say agar aap meri oper ki post parhain to aapkay baat samajh mein ajaigee kay music kay baray mein islam mein kya hukum hai... yahan par ek baat aur batata chaloon kay jaisay aapkay teacher nay kaha hai kay lite music sun saktay hain .. aur unhonay yeh baat daleeloon kay sath kahi to brother aap unko agar meri oper wali post complete parha daingay to unko bhi kafi asani hoajgee.. aur agar koi baat aise hoo jo kay shayad mein miss kar gaya hoon yahan par mujhay bhi woh clear hojaigee....

aur agar aapko music kay baray mein mazeed parhna hai too.. Mufti Shafi Usmani sahab ki BOOK "Islam n Music" parh saktay hian... jis kay baad mera nahi khayal kay aap kay zehan mein koi confusion rahaigee...


n Alllah knows da best..

SuLFURIC_ACID - March 2, 2007 05:48 PM (GMT)
Nahi Nahi Yeh baat Tou Clear Hogayi !

Merey Topic Wali Post main Dekhain 2 Questions Hain I Was Asking About Shah Abdul Lateef BhitaI Part!

ashhad4u - March 3, 2007 04:50 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (SuLFURIC_ACID @ Jan 13 2005, 08:08 AM)
kya ganey sunna jaiz hai ya nahi kyuon key merey coll key teacher keh rahey they key madina main islam phelnay se pehlay aur islam phelnay ke baad bhi log mukhtalif moqoon per ganey suntey aur gatey they kyuon ke woh un key cultural songs they lihaza humarey haan bhi shadi waghera per apney gane sunna jaiz hai
???is that right...?aur kya Shah Abdul Lateef bhatai ko aik azeem buzrug hasti manna chahiye ya nahi kyuon key he invented a musical instruement Tanboroo????

Brother Sulfucir....



1- Brother Sulfuric ek wakia jo k already mein pehlay bhi post karchuka hoon.. yahan par mukhrasir usko dobara batana chahoonga kay ..
"Ek martaba EId kay din kuch bachian hazrat Aisha kay samnay kuch ganay waghaira ga rahi theen ... itnay mein hazrat Abu Bakr (raz) aye to unhonay Hazrat Aisha ko mana farmaya (yani in bachion ko chup karnay ka ishara dia) to aap PBUH jo kay aik taraf laitay hoay thay farmanay lagay ... "Rehnay do abu bakar(RAZ) aaj eid ka din hai... "

ab agar is hadees k depth mein jakay deihka jaye kay jin soortoon mein Music ko sahi qarar dia jata hai woh aise sooratain hain k jinka aaj kay daur mein pora hona takreeban na mumkin hai...

1- Woh bachian theeen na kay professional singers....
2- Woh jo geet gaa rahi theen woh koi mohabbat waghaira ki oper nahi tha balkay khushi ka izhaar ka tha... (I 'll provide you more details about it)
3- Woh Eid ka din
4- Aap pbuh nay jab yeh farmaya kay abu bakar (raz) aaj eid ka din hai to yeh lafz kehnay k baad aap pbuh nay apnay rukh doosri taraf karlia....

brother iskay ilawa aur bhi is hadees mein kafi points hain k jinko samjha ja sakta hai filhal mujhay jitnay yaad hain meinay yahan par lkhay inshallah koshish karoonga kay us book kay mazeed kuch chezain yahan par paste kar sakooon....

but oper wali conditions ko diekh kay yeh cheez achi tarha samnay ajatee hai kay aaj kal ka music jo use hota hia
1- woh sab professional singers hotay hain..
2- jis tarha kay ganay normally sunay jatay hian usmien ishq o mohabbat ka izhaar sab say ziada hota hia.. means shair o shairee waise nahi hoti k jis ko base bana ky aap us ganay ko sahi keh sakain....
etc etc

I hope kay aapko samajhnay mein kafi madad daigee if not to mein woh articles yahan par paste kardonga takay aapki samajh mein kafi sari chezain ajain...

n regarding tambooroo... [mujhay is kay baray mein ziada maloomat nahi hai... mein koshish karoonga k is kay baray mein bhi mazeed malom karkay aapko agaah kar sakaoon..]

n Allah knows da best..



SuLFURIC_ACID - March 3, 2007 12:10 PM (GMT)
ThanX (Y) I NeeD This Info As SooN As Possible Bro :) Because I Have to Reply Somewhere Else about this Matter !

FuNNy_GuY - March 3, 2007 04:12 PM (GMT)
about music and sound'z diffrence ?

SuLFURIC_ACID - March 5, 2007 10:24 AM (GMT)
QUOTE
but oper wali conditions ko diekh kay yeh cheez achi tarha samnay ajatee hai kay aaj kal ka music jo use hota hia
1- woh sab professional singers hotay hain..
2- jis tarha kay ganay normally sunay jatay hian usmien ishq o mohabbat ka izhaar sab say ziada hota hia.. means shair o shairee waise nahi hoti k jis ko base bana ky aap us ganay ko sahi keh sakain....
etc etc

I hope kay aapko samajhnay mein kafi madad daigee if not to mein woh articles yahan par paste kardonga takay aapki samajh mein kafi sari chezain ajain...

n regarding tambooroo... [mujhay is kay baray mein ziada maloomat nahi hai... mein koshish karoonga k is kay baray mein bhi mazeed malom karkay aapko agaah kar sakaoon..]


matlab BaaT Wohi Hui Key Certain Conditions Main Music Sunna Mana Nahi Hai If Lyrics Are Not Vulgar !
Thanx Ashhad bhai (Y)
But 2nd Part ka Answer bhi ChahiyE Plz !

Ali Mavia - March 5, 2007 02:51 PM (GMT)
Salam all ,

Hadees Mubarak.

Meray Rabb Nay Muj Per SHarab , Joyee Aur TABLA (DhooL) Haram Tehraya Hai Aur Her Nasha Awar CheeZ Bhi HaraM hai "........((((...Abu Dawood : KitabuL Ashraba - Baab FiL Aoyihat , Hadees # 3792....))))........(((....Masnund AL BehQi , Jild # 10 , Page # 221.....))))..

Was Salam,

Ali Mavia - March 5, 2007 03:04 PM (GMT)
Salam

Meray Bahi Yee To Ghamdiyoo ka KamaL Hai Kay Unhonay Apnay Ghustak QALAM Say Hazrat MOhamamd(Saww) Ki Yahi Manzar Kashi Ki Hai......

" Hazrat Mohammad(Saww) Gher MeHram Aurtoon Balkay Mahir-e-Fann Raqqasao Kay RAQS Dekhtay Aur Lutf Andooz HOwa Kartay Thay ( MAazALLAH) .....

Dekhyee Ghamdi Maktab-e-Fikr Ka Numaienda Aur Naqeeb " Urdu Mahanama IshraQ ( March 2004 ) Ka Shumara " .......)))).....

App Kis Chakkaro Main Par Gaye Bhaiyoo Kay Music Haram hai kay nahi ???...Yee Wesa hi Sawal Hai kay sharab Halal Hai kay Nahi.....;(

Was SaLam,

Ali Mavia - March 5, 2007 03:29 PM (GMT)
Salam


" Hazrat Imran Bin Haseen(ra) Biyan Kartay hain Kay ALLaH kay RasooL Hazrat Mumammad(Saww) Nay Farmaya : " Meri Ummat PEr Phattaro Ki Barish , Soortay Maskh Honay Aur Zameen Main Dhasnay Kay Waqiyaat Roonuma Hongay ...APP(Saww) Say SawaL Kiya Gaya : ? App(Saww) Nay Farmaya " Jab BAJOO Aur GANAY WALI AURTOON Ka Aam RivaaJ hoga Aur Kasraat Say SHarabay Pii Gayengi ".....
(((...Tirmizi : KitaBuL Fatan - Baab Maja Fii AlamaTa HaLuL Al Maskh WaL KhasaF , Hadees # 2212.....))))
(((..." Zam-uL-MaLahi " Laa Bin Abi Dunya ,Page # 1 , 2 ....))))
(((...." As Sunan AL WariDat " Laa Bin Umroo AL Dani JiLd # 1 , Page # 39....))))

Was Salam,



ashhad4u - March 6, 2007 09:39 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (SuLFURIC_ACID @ Mar 5 2007, 03:24 PM)
matlab BaaT Wohi Hui Key Certain Conditions Main Music Sunna Mana Nahi Hai If Lyrics Are Not Vulgar !
Thanx Ashhad bhai (Y)
But 2nd Part ka Answer bhi ChahiyE Plz !

Thanx Brother Mavia..

Brother.. SUlfuric...


Certain Conditions.... ki jo aapnay baat ki .. waisay to ALIMAVIA nay ahades ki roshni mein oper bata hi dia hai but jo loog is ko halal karnay ka HEELA (BAHANA) Dhoondtay hian woh yeh hadess paish kartay hain.. meinay sirf uski explanition di hai..

agar aap us hadees kay mutabiq ceratin conditions ki baat karain to shayad koi conditions true nazar aye...

like - woh bachian theen na kay professional singers...
woh eid ka din tha...
woh koi romantic shair nahi parh rahi theeen..
wahan par koi music nahi tha... sirf woh ek LAAAH (THEME/SEQUENCE) mein gaa rahi theen/ parh rahi theen...




ashhad4u - March 6, 2007 09:43 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (FuNNy_GuY @ Mar 3 2007, 09:12 PM)
about music and sound'z diffrence ?

SOUND ---
DOOR BELL
MESSAGE ALERT TONE
ALARM TONE


MUSIC --
aise dhun jo kisi instument kay through ya instruments kay through bajaye jaye...
Like songs..
polyphonic tunes..
etc etc.

SuLFURIC_ACID - March 6, 2007 11:19 AM (GMT)
Acha :-O Waysay Yeh Baat Confirm hai Ke Yeh Statement Ghamdi Sahab Ke hi Hain !

Ok Sara Masla Clear hogaya But Ashhad bhai 2nd Part Yaad Rakhiye ga.. !

Ali Mavia - March 6, 2007 09:45 PM (GMT)
Salam ALL

I knw Kay App Ko Sab Samagh Agaya hai By the Grace oF ALLah... but i want 2 Share jo kuch mene Pharha Takay Hum Sab ki IsLah Hoo Sakkay..


HAzrat Abdullah BIn Abbas(Ra) Say Marvi Hai Kay ALLAh Kay RasooL Hazrat Mohammad(Saww) Nay Farmaya " In LaL La Haa Harama AL KhamRa WaL MieSirra WaL Koobata Waa KuLLa Muskirin Haram ".....Tarjuma : " Meray Rabb Nay Muj Per SHarab , Joyee Aur TABLA (DhooL) Haram Tehraya Hai Aur Her Nasha Awar CheeZ Bhi HaraM hai "........
((((...Abu Dawood : KitabuL Ashraba - Baab FiL Aoyihat , Hadees # 3792....))))........
((((...Masnund Ahmed , Jild # 1 , Page # 274....)))).....[/COLOR[COLOR=green]]((((....Sahi Ibn-e-Habban , Hadees # 5341....)))).....
((((....AL Moajim AL Kabir Tibrani , Jild # 12 , Page # 101 , Hadees # 12599 , 12598.....)))).....((((....AL SisiLa TuL Sahiha , Hadees # 1807.....))))....(((....Masnund AL BehQi , Jild # 10 , Page # 221.....)))



Abb App Dekhain Kay Kitni Books Main Mention hai Yee Khubsoraat Hadees....WeLL , AL Moajim AL Kabir Main Imam Tibrani Rehma AHLay Nay Eik RiwavaaT " Sufyaan Ann ALi Bin Bazimat " Kay TareeK Say Biyan Ki hai Jis Main Yee ALfaz Hain........." Sufyaan BIyan Kartay Hain Kay Mainay ALi Bin Bazimat Say Pocha """"" MaL KooBaato """"" Kooba Say Kiya MuraD hai ? " ALi Bin Bazimat " Nay Farmaya " AL TabaL " Kay Kooba Say MuraD DhooL Hai " .....


Imam Tibrani Rehma AHLay Nay DOsri Riwavaat " Ann Abdul Kareem Al Jazri Ann Qais Bin Habtaar " Kay TareeK Say In ALfaz Kay Saath NaQaL Ki hai ..."""""" In LaL La Ha Harama AlihimuL Khamra WaL Miresira WaL Koobata " Wa Howa TABAL " Wa QaLa : QuLLa Muskirin Haram """".....Tarjuma " ALLAh Ta,aLa Nay Sharab Joyee Aur KOOba Ko Haram Ker Diya Hai " Kooba Say Murad DHooL Hai " Mazeed Farmaya : Her Nasha Awar CheeZ Bhi Haram Hai ".......
((((....Masnund Ahmed , Jild # 1 , Page # 289....)))).......
(((.....AL Tibrani , Hadees # 16701....)))).....
((((....AL BehQi , Jild # 10 , Page # 221 , 213.....)))))..


Yahan Eik Baat Ye Batata CHaLo Kay Is Hadees Main Jo Urdu Tarjumay Main Mainay YEe LIkha Hia kay " Kooba Say Murad DHooL Hai " Yee ALfaz Hadees MAin Hi MenTion Hain ..." Wa HOwa TABAL ".....


InsHa ALlah Aienda MazeeD Ahaadees Pesh Karonga ....

Was SaLam,

SuLFURIC_ACID - March 8, 2007 10:31 AM (GMT)
Brother Ali Mavia .. Agar Aap MereY Question Ke 2nd Part Main Kuch batasaktey Hain Tou I'll Bet Thankfull !

Ali Mavia - March 9, 2007 12:25 AM (GMT)
Salam Brother SuLFURIC_ACID ,

Sorry 2 Say kay 2nd Part ka Answer muje ab tak nahi pata... hope ashhad bhai ya koi or sahi bata sakky...thx

was salam,

ashhad4u - March 9, 2007 07:09 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (SuLFURIC_ACID @ Mar 8 2007, 03:31 PM)
Brother Ali Mavia .. Agar Aap MereY Question Ke 2nd Part Main Kuch batasaktey Hain Tou I'll Bet Thankfull !

Brother Sulfuric...

diekhin islam kya hai ?? ispar kis tarha amal karna hai ... yeh aallah swt nay aap pbuh kay zariay hamain 1400 yrs agoo pehlay bata dia tha... aur in ahkamat ko quran o hadies kay zariya ham tak pohanchaya aur details mein aap pbuh nay sab chezoon ko explain kia.. phir sahaba ki taleemat waghaira waghaira...

hamaray liya allah ka hukum mannnay k liya quran o hadis hi kafi hai.. agar usmein kisi cheez ka inkaar ya israaar hai to hamain woh kaam karna hai.. lekin hamain yeh nahi diekhna hai kay FALAN FALAN shkahs nay kya kia ??? coz kay uska amal hamaray liya baees e hujjat nahi hia... Alllah swt nay humsay yeh nahi pochaingay kay falan soofi to DHOOL par qawwali parhtay thay tumnay Q nahi parheen ?? ya falan nay yeh musical ins. invent kia tumnay isko Q nahi suna ... ??? etc etc... islam mein kisi ahkaam ka shakhsiat parsati say koi talluq nahi hi.... yeh to thee hujjjat jo kay tamam hoi....


ab ajatay hain us instrument ki taraf
deikhain agar hum history parhain to hamain beshumar chezain aise nazar ainge jo ky muslims nay ejaad keen... like chemistry ki pori field bhari pari hai muslims scientist ki invention say... agar aap koi chemical jo muslim scientist nay kisi faiday k liya banaya tha lekin ab agar usko koi ghalat purpose k liya use karay to usmein us banday kya kya kasoor ???

for eg. KNIFE bananay walay nay sirf fruits n vegetables katnay k liya banaye lekin aap us say banday ko kaaat dain to kasoor waar kaun ???

for eg. jaisay puranay zamanay mein Jang jeetnay ya kisi aur cheez ki khushi k liya naqqaray bajaye jatay thay jo kay BAJAY ki :annunce::: tarha hoota tha.. but aaj usi ko as a musical instrument use kia jata hai...

mujhay TANBOORO ki history to nahi maloom lekin hosakta hi kay woh bhi aise koi eejaad ho jo kay kisi khaas mokay k liya invent ki gaey hoo.. lekin aaj usko qawwalion waghaira mein as a musical instrument use kia jaraha hooo....

n Alllah knows da best...

SuLFURIC_ACID - March 9, 2007 09:21 AM (GMT)
Hmm...

I Remember When i Was in 9th Class i Asked My Sindhi Teacher about This !

Unhoon ne Aik waqia bataya ke aik dafa aik Aadmi ne Hazrat Shah Abdul Lateef Se Yehi QUestion Kiya tou Unhon ne Us admi ko apney Hujrey ki Taraf Point Out kiya matlab wo Room jahan wo Apney instruements band karkey rakhtey Thay wo Admi us ke qareeb gaya tou ander se Tanboroo Bajney ki Awaz arahi thi Jab Room KHoLa gaya tou wahan koi bhi Nahi tha !
Then My teacher explained That Ke Unko Allah Ki Taeed HasiL thi us INstruement ke siLsiley main !
Phir mainey zyada arguement nahi kiya is masley main Becoz Sindhi People kuch serious hotey hain is mamley main !

But yeh Reason kuch ajeeb nahi hai Ke Allah Ki Taeed Musical instruements Ke Silsiley main miley :-S

DarkDeed - March 12, 2007 07:35 AM (GMT)
Hmm.. Baat QaBiL-e-Ghour Hai.. ::technolo::

ashhad4u - March 12, 2007 08:04 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (SuLFURIC_ACID @ Mar 9 2007, 02:21 PM)
Hmm...

I Remember When i Was in 9th Class i Asked My Sindhi Teacher about This !

Unhoon ne Aik waqia bataya ke aik dafa aik Aadmi ne Hazrat Shah Abdul Lateef Se Yehi QUestion Kiya tou Unhon ne Us admi ko apney Hujrey ki Taraf Point Out kiya matlab wo Room jahan wo Apney instruements band karkey rakhtey Thay wo Admi us ke qareeb gaya tou ander se Tanboroo Bajney ki Awaz arahi thi Jab Room KHoLa gaya tou wahan koi bhi Nahi tha !
Then My teacher explained That Ke Unko Allah Ki Taeed HasiL thi us INstruement ke siLsiley main !
Phir mainey zyada arguement nahi kiya is masley main Becoz Sindhi People kuch serious hotey hain is mamley main !

But yeh Reason kuch ajeeb nahi hai Ke Allah Ki Taeed Musical instruements Ke Silsiley main miley :-S

Brother Sulfur...

as i ve mentioned earlier kay hamaray liya Aulia kay Qaul Hujjat nahi hian... siwaye unkay kay woh qaul Quran o sunnat kay mutabiq hoon.. misal kay taur par agar hum yeh sunain kay koi Wali Achi tarha namaz parhtay thay to hum woh follow kar saktay hain.. coz kay yeh deen kay sath hai.. but agar koi aise baat ya koi aisa amal jo kay deen ki taleemat kay against jaraha hai hum uspar amal nahi karaingay aur na hi uskay apnay liya zaria e hujjat tasleem karaingay kay maslan falan baba nay to GANAY sunay mein Q nahi sun sakta ???

Allah ka hukum Quran o hadis kay zariaya aap tak pohanch chuka hai ap ko uspar amal karna hai... na kay buzurgan e deen ki koi aise baat jo kay against mein hoo...

misal kay taur par agar aap ka kabhi GHAUS PAK ki koi book parhnay ka ittefaq hooto aap usmein parhaingay kay unhonay asmaan say barish barsadi.... ya aulaad kisi kay haan hogaye.. matlab kay loog unkay paas gaye to aulad hoi... etc etc....

yani kay shirk wali batain to zaroori nahi hia kay aap unko manain ya unpar amal karain.. coz kay inki authenticity ki bhi surity kisi kay paas nahi hosakti kay aisa hoa bhi hai ya nahi..

n alllah knows da best..


SuLFURIC_ACID - March 12, 2007 01:39 PM (GMT)
Hmm ... ! (yy)

shanzay11 - March 13, 2007 07:30 PM (GMT)
:salam:: [/B]
i donkt know watz the name of Sulfuric....khair.....

BHai ...Aik Hadith AIk Dafa HUZOOR{SAW} Kizi Jagah se ja rahe thay apnay sahaba k Kafiley k sath...
to Duur unhain dhol dhamakay ganay bajanay ki awaaz sunaii dii....
jab HUZOOR{SAW} k kanoo[ears] main iz tarah ki awaaz aanay lagi to HUZOOR{SAW} Apnay Pooray KAfilay ko jiz main kafi Ashab thay un ko wapsi ka Hukum farma diya.....
IIz Hadith se yeh bat wazay hoti hai k Islam main ganay bajanay ki koi GUnjaish nahi...................................................................................

aur aik Baat yeh Bhi yad rakh lijaye k Kehte haink HUZOOR{SAW} ne jab Makka se Madina Migrate keya to wahan per Kuch bachiyo ne Duff baja kar HUZOOR{SAW} ka WelCome keya............. aur aaj Duff ki jagah aap dekh rahe hian k kiya kiya Instruments aagaye hain MArket main.......khair....
Kiya HUZOOR{SAW} agar uz waqt uz ko manah nahi kara tha to aayaa kizi Aisii HAdith se yeh sabit hota hia ya kizi Sahabay k Fail se yeh zahir hota hai k Duff ka use theek hai..agar aisa hota to sub se pehlay sahaba use karte...................

Aur Ashhad ne jo batain ki woh bilkul theek hain..aur aap k jo Sir keh rahe hain....woh khudh hi behtar jan sakte hain..ya unki nazar main wohi theek hogaa...jab k meri Alim se bhi baat hui thii unhone iz ko saaf manah farmaya hai...
Aik sir ki baat aur Alim ki baat main buhat farq hota hai........

Yahan yeh baat Sirf apni Satisfaction ki hai...k humne iz baat ko baat apnay minds main bitha kar...shadi biyah main ganay bajanay Start kardiye.............[B]

DarkDeed - April 11, 2007 11:36 AM (GMT)
But.. L-)

Mein ne Aik Jaga Parha Tha K..

"Aap (SAW) Eid K Din APney Ghar mein Araam Farma Rahey Thay.. Qareeb 2-3 Bachiyan Gana gaa rahi thein.. to Aap (SAW) ne Un ki Taraf se Mu Pher Liya.. Thori Baad aik Sahabhi (Mein BhooL gaya K Hazrat Umar (RA) Thay ya Hazrat Abu Bakar SIddque (RA)) aaey to Unhon ne Bachion se Ghusse mein Kaha k RasooL ALLah k Samney Gana Gati ho.. to Aap (SAW) ne Farmaya .. Ganey Do.. EID ka Din hai.."

^ Need Authentication ALso..

Mein ne Suna hai.. Agar Ganey K Lyrics Gair-IkhLaaQi nahi hain..
Us WaQt Azan ka Ya Namaz Ka WaQt nahi hai..
Us se Kisi ko Koi TakLeef nahi horahi.. To Sunna Jaiz hai..

ashhad4u - April 11, 2007 12:13 PM (GMT)
Brother Mahmood isi hadith ko meinay previous pages mein detail kay sth likh dia hai plus aapnay jo conditions di hain iskay ilawa bhi conditions hain....

like kay woh bachian theen not a professionaly singers
unkay bool ghair akhlaqi nahi thay woh koi nazam ya HADDI type cheez thee ( I aint sure)
woh eid ka din tha

lekin aaj to in mein koi bhi condition true nahi hoteen..... saray singers professionals hain
unkay words jis tarha k hain sab ko maloom hai...

beharhaal is ki details aapko previous pages mein mil jaingee wid complete authentication....

n Allah knows da best...

DarkDeed - April 13, 2007 06:16 AM (GMT)
ThnX..

ashhad4u - April 13, 2007 06:58 AM (GMT)
QUOTE
Brother Sulfucir....



1- Brother Sulfuric ek wakia jo k already mein pehlay bhi post karchuka hoon.. yahan par mukhrasir usko dobara batana chahoonga kay ..
"Ek martaba EId kay din kuch bachian hazrat Aisha kay samnay kuch ganay waghaira ga rahi theen ... itnay mein hazrat Abu Bakr raz.gif aye to unhonay Hazrat Aisha ko mana farmaya (yani in bachion ko chup karnay ka ishara dia) to aap PBUH jo kay aik taraf laitay hoay thay farmanay lagay ... "Rehnay do abu bakar(RAZ) aaj eid ka din hai... "

ab agar is hadees k depth mein jakay deihka jaye kay jin soortoon mein Music ko sahi qarar dia jata hai woh aise sooratain hain k jinka aaj kay daur mein pora hona takreeban na mumkin hai...

1- Woh bachian theeen na kay professional singers....
2- Woh jo geet gaa rahi theen woh koi mohabbat waghaira ki oper nahi tha balkay khushi ka izhaar ka tha... (I 'll provide you more details about it)
3- Woh Eid ka din
4- Aap pbuh nay jab yeh farmaya kay abu bakar raz.gif aaj eid ka din hai to yeh lafz kehnay k baad aap pbuh nay apnay rukh doosri taraf karlia....

brother iskay ilawa aur bhi is hadees mein kafi points hain k jinko samjha ja sakta hai filhal mujhay jitnay yaad hain meinay yahan par lkhay inshallah koshish karoonga kay us book kay mazeed kuch chezain yahan par paste kar sakooon....

but oper wali conditions ko diekh kay yeh cheez achi tarha samnay ajatee hai kay aaj kal ka music jo use hota hia
1- woh sab professional singers hotay hain..
2- jis tarha kay ganay normally sunay jatay hian usmien ishq o mohabbat ka izhaar sab say ziada hota hia.. means shair o shairee waise nahi hoti k jis ko base bana ky aap us ganay ko sahi keh sakain....
etc etc

nimo - April 18, 2007 02:44 PM (GMT)
gane jaiz is had tak hain k hazrat fatima(RA) ki shadi per hazrat aisha(RA) ne daf k saath gher k ander halki awaz mai sirf aurton mai naghme bayan kiye the....

bache bayan kersakte hain laikin sirf daf k saath... sirf aise naghme jin mai samne wali jins ki beja tareef na ki gaie ho aur jhoti shairi bhi na ho aur woh dimagh mai shetani khayal paida na karen... jese k khushi k tarane... bas

w-a-n-t-e-d- - June 22, 2007 03:08 AM (GMT)
Nimo jis waqeyah ka ziker app karahi ho yeh kahaan say sunna ya read kia appnay ??

kahin say complete waqeeya mill sakta hai ??




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