Check this handsome dude out!

http://www.aquabid.com/cgi-bin/auction/auc...ashm&1190141613

all i can say is :OMG: :WOU :WOU :WOU :WOU :WOU

The bid sure has jumped up there!

yeah it did lol

Wow! That is one HAWT fish! :OMG:

WOW

All that coloration isn't my thing but that is a beautiful fish. Now he says Top AOC, did he show that fish in one of the Thai shows or is that just a new selling technique? Not calling him a liar (cause that is a very nice fish), but more of just curious.

I've noticed he's doing that more frequently. I'm guessing sales ploy, but I don't know the honest truth. The fact that he refers to it as AOC sounds a little more credible. It may just be his opinion!

AOC basically stands for stands for any other color it can be shown in AOC class in competitions I dont know if it was shown in any shows but i know that aoc does stand for Any Other Color nate :chair you should of known that :OO :OO :OO

Yeah, I know they do things a bit different for the IBC over there... but here that AOC only pertains to Plakats. It would be a Multicolor here, but most likely moved into the butterfly class. In that instance it may not do as well as in some of the classes they have there. Don't get me wrong. Still a nice fish, just found it interesting he would say that (Top Etc Etc) in a few of his auctions. And yes the phenotype is what the IBC wants to see in the auctions as opposed to purple copper sulpher dream delight superstar marble fusion! It's nice to see both a styeotypical name and a phenotypical name in the auction for anyone not IBC. Then again it's up to the seller to "Class" their own fish, and if they guess wrong, it could get even more confusing. It will be interesting to see how it all progresses.

I never questioned what AOC was.. I was asking if the fact that he lists it as "TOP" AOC means that the fish was a place winner at an IBC show. :P

in the international shows for ibc it is international it is used as Form & Finnage/AOC they use that in their shows

But can you answer my question? Was that fish a place winner at an IBC show? :P

I dunno but there is one way to find out I will ask the seller :P question was sent to seller :P we shall find out

I can pretty much guarantee you this fish did not place in an IBC show. That was the point of our judges going over to Asia and teaching the judges there what to look for with the IBC.
They do nothing differently in their IBC shows, than we do here, because they are IBC...
However, there are other show clubs, that are not IBC, our friend Plakad posted pictures of winners from a non IBC sanctioned show.
So for this fish to be listed as top AOC, he would have had to be shown in a class that was an AOC class. The only AOC classes we have is in the plakat division...
Unless he looked like a PK, and then sprouted fins, lololl.

this is IBC AREA 6 show classes if you read through you will plainly see that there many AOC in hm catergory DT CT PK yes here in the states it is just plakat but apparently over there they have AOC or the above mentioned and it is ibc area 6
you can see it here link
CLASSES AND CATEGORIES
Group A : Regular Classes

Division A : Halfmoon
A1 Red STM (dark and light body)
A2 Black STM
A3 Red/Black DTM
A4 Dark Iridescent STM
A5 Dark Iridescent DTM
A6 Clear/Yellow/Orange STM
A7 Pastel/Opaque STM
A8 Light Solid DTM
A9 Bicolor/Patterned STM
A10 Bicolor/Patterned DTM
A11 Metallic Light-bodied STM/DTM
A12 Metallic Dark-bodied STM/DTM
A13 AOC STM
A14 AOC DTM

Division B : Crowntail
B1 Red CTM
B2 Black CTM
B3 Dark Iridescent CTM
B4 Light Solid Color CTM
B5 Bicolor/Patterned CTM
B6 Metallic Light-bodied CTM
B7 Metallic Dark-bodied CTM
B8 AOC CTM

Division C : Plakat (Show dan Symmetrical)
C1 Red STM Plakat
C2 Black STM Plakat
C3 Blue STM Plakat
C4 Steel STM Plakat
C5 Green/Turquoise STM Plakat
C6 Clear/Yellow/Orange STM Plakat
C7 Pastel/Opaque STM Plakat
C8 Bicolor/Butterfly STM Plakat
C9 Marble/Grizzled/Multicolor STM Plakat
C10 Metallic Light-bodied STM Plakat
C11 Metallic Dark-bodied STM Plakat
C12 AOC STM Plakat
C13 Symmetrical Plakat

Group B : Optional Classes

Division F: Female Classes
F1 HM Female
F2 Plakat Female
F3 CT Female

Division G: Temporary Classes
G1 Traditional Plakat
G2 Giant Plakat

Division H: Breeder Development
H1 New Colors and Forms/Finnage
(Red and White Combination)

NB : AOC = Any Other Color - emphasis will be on form/finnage
Class H1 = New Variations in both form/finnage and color

See I knew the classes were a bit different over there so it's not out of the realm of possibilities that he did get first in the AOC Longfin class at an IBC show. I hope this guy gets back to you as to wheather the fish actually posted a win or is just in his opinion, worth a ribbon.

yeah it is quite a bit different over there with IBC standards but yeah i do hope that Aquastar71 does get back to me to let me know if it placed in a IBC Area 6 show or IHHO(In his honest opinion) that it could be a ribbon taker..

I freely admit I could be wrong, but don't you think that seems just a LITTLE strange? The whole point of having IBC clubs was so that we would all be working from the same book so to speak.
The question I then have is was this two shows in one, simply for the fact that they have in TEMPORARY classes the traditional plakat, and the giant.
There is a standard for the Trad plakat, and a class... and we have not even begun discussing the giant standards.
If we are all under one umbrella, then should we not then all be working together? If so, then how is it that WE as apprentices have never even discussed standards for the giant, whether HM or PK?

Again, the whole point for everyone picking up, and heading over to asia was so that we would all be working together, and understand each other better. If that was the case, then we should all have the same classes, and if not, well, it was a waste of everyones time if the Area 6 is not doing things the way the rest of us are.. Granted the likelyhood of someone here sending a fish to a show there is slim to none.. and WE will reassign fish to different classes in a heart break..
\No matter, I'll talk to someone on the J Board to explain things.

I had emailed connie emery and this was the reply i had gotten from her I had also just sent her an email in regards to the giants
Hi Jillian,
I am fine thank you for asking.
In regards to the AOC terminology for Area 6 Show Class list: It refers to
Any Other Color -- ie., colors that are not already included in each
Division. Basically if it does not fit the Standard for the color classes
offered it would be shown in AOC and in the New Breeder category the
emphasis is on form and finnage.

The Show Class list should not be confused with the IBC Color Standards.
All areas are using the same set of standards--just different Show Class
Lists.

Hope this clarifys the issue for you.

Connie

this was the email i received from connie in regards to the giants
Jillian,
There is not official standard written for the Giants as of yet. They are in the variations class for now and until they get approval for their own class they would be judged by the general standards and color standards. A true giant should be 4 to 5 inches in body length. Remember that they must have symmetry in form with all the unpaired fins compared to the body.

Connie

Thank you for saving me the trouble.

I am confused as to the comment about symmetry. Wouldn't any form of giant be accepted, even as compared to an asymmetrical show plakat? A show standard based on size would indeed be a had thing to validate I would think, however. I mean to write a standard where the gauge of size could overcome form and finnage faults? What a heck of a line to draw.

I don't get that myself nate

Six hours left until the end of this auction and the high bid is up to $92.00! :blink:

Well, he IS nearly flawless. I could only find three things to complain about him.

yeah PRICE PRICE and PRICE! :OO

OK, make that FOUR things to complain about him. (Or six, if we are using your count).

LaBella. It sure would be a shame if it ended up going to someone who wasn't going to breed him. The top bidder is a (3/3) person that has purchased 3 male cts. I wouldn't be surprised if someone jumped in at the last minute. But then again, the fish is in Bangkok with an already high bid. But just think of the babies he'd put out with some of your girls!

Oh, I know, I know, I thought about it when I first saw him, but he was already out of my limit, even if I were going to buy a Thai fish..
I don't have much luck with them, you know?
They all die on me, without babies.
Eh, I have plenty though... Maybe I will PM the winner, and show him the males from this spawn, and offer him a couple females inexpensively.. cause I have plenty of females, lol.

Hey, that's a good idea! I noticed in the name of the auction it has 'gold'. I wonder what's up with that? Did Jill ever hear back from him?

I don't know. I could only think the "gold" was the streaks of shine on the fish, which told me there was likely some metallic in the line, but that was fine by me, because this line has EVERYTHING in it, lol.

In his specifications he has it listed as a black copper marble. I wonder if blue would show up later. I have a male that came as a white platinum and had both red and blue show up after a few months. Is marble and wash the same thing or are they just two different things that act similar?

LaBella, I'm guessing this is a sibling brother and the high bid is at only 25.00!

http://www.aquabid.com/cgi-bin/auction/auc...ashm&1190141627

The first auction closed with the winning bid at 92.00 and the second auction ended with the winning bid at 25.00.

Well, white fish can get both blue and red wash, but as to if it were marble acting up, I couldn't say. I BELIEVE it is, but believing and knowing for sure are two different things.
White fish always had a problem with red appearing at a later date, but they noticed that marbles didn't come in red, that at some later date, (this is a while ago, obviously), and they crossed marbles to everything that was not supposed to have red in them, like opaques, and the irrids, for the red loss gene.. and then came the red GAIN, where a fish would lose the red, but then a couple months later, the red started creeping back in, so at this point, who knows what is causing the color gain, because it is natural for them to have color gain, and then most of this stuff has marble in it.

Yeah, I would say that was a spawn mate brother, but you know for 92 dollars, they should get TWO free females, lolol.