Ok Guys So sunny my Yellow HM who is about a year old looks like he swallowed a large marble :( he has been this way for about a weekl, I have fed him so lettuce adn some peas, but he looks bigger and he is not going Poo :blink: so Will he die :( what else can i try fo rteh first three days i noticed this I just did not feed him and then gave him some lettuce and them some peas, he is still very active and spunky just HUGE , I just can't Lose him, I haven't told anybody but Suagr pie my black/green marble girl pineconed and passed this week she was my absolute favorite


:( now Sunny is constipated and also all my marbles have become cellos this week lost all color. so its been a trying week in my betta world.

One thing I have noticed.. putting two males to flare at each other will often cause them to poo.
Like the body is making them dump excess weight in case they have to fight or something.
Also, live brine shrimp, and daphnia have a laxative effect, as does live mosquito larva, I have seen.
I don't know if the froze has the same properties.
I hope he goes poo for you soon.

Good luck Cody. I hope he pulls through for you.
:hug:

thanks Guys, but it does not look good, LOOK AT HIM :( Today I feed soem BBS frozen pellets I just cut cubes and eat them he loved it, but now he is Even BIGGER its Disgusting how fat he is and now he is resting head down on the bottom of the tank , I also put a male next to him and he was flaring all day at him, but things do not Look, i feel so helpless :H :H :H :H :H

Looks like my Aristotle... and he has dropsy... been treating it for 2 months to no avail., but he's still with me.
But, hopefully I'm wrong.

Looks like dropsy to me too Cody. I'm so sorry. Is he pine coned?

Have you tried fasting him for two days? Another treatment is epson salts. I'll have to look up the dosage.

Let us know.

I don't know, I am not so sure that is dropsy, his whole body doesn't look bloated, just his belly, though I am sure that different kinds of dropsy manifests in different ways
Epsom salt might help, so might getting him to move around, and exercise.
I would drop his water of you haven't already.
Some people will gently squeeze an egg bound female between say a beanie lid, and the wall of the tank, the external pressure helping to get the eggs dropping.
I wonder if this might work for him.

Hmmmm I don't think its dropsy, he has not pinceoned and its been 7days now and todya he is active and hangin out at the top of the tank and gets all exited when i go over, i have fasted him for days he hates me right now :P , he got bigger after I finally fed him yesterday, so I knwo its constipation, but what to do, i added soem aquarium salt to his water, but no epson. I'm not sure what to do i'm scared to massage him :blink:

The CT in my avie had the same problem. Do try some epsom salt in his tank. 1tsp per gallon.
Within two days of putting in epsom salt my boy was back to normal. Hope he pulls through :)

I had a friend who did that with one of her males that got constipation and it worked. Just very gently massaging his tummy with your forefinger and thumb.

Poor Sunny. I'm glad to hear he isn't pine coned though. I hate dropsy!
Try the Epsom Salts and the massage, I think it will help the poor guy.

thanks Sherry and everyone for your help, well i just masseged him and I that was traumatizing for me :blink: I felt like I was going to pop him any second, it was a very weird feeling :blink: i gave him clean water and then added bettafix and some IAL, is thatgood, i figured it woudl help since i was just touching him???

I would still add some epsom salt to his water.
Hopefully something jiggled loose.
Have you trying letting him flare up with another male?

Hey Bella, yes I have kept a male by him and he flares and stuff, i keep feeding him de-shelled peas and he eats happily, but he looks bigger and he see through almost in teh stoamch area :blink: ,I think I will stop with the peas, I have not got epsom salt, i will get some today when I go out and try that, where can i get epsom Salt???

Look in the RX section, around foot care.

Ok well since I posted 30 minutes I went to duanereade and picked up som all natural epsom salt, I couldn't stand looking at him so I just had to go even though its past midnight, thank God I live in NYC and nothing closes :LOL: ok so he is in a 2.5 gallon but I lowered the water to about 1 gallon since he has been ill, and I just added TSP of epsom salt :D now what do i do next?, when Do I treat again? should I massage him again tomorrow? :rolleyes: thanks for everyones Help, I just really love this Guy he is the first Betta I ever had shipped to me , my first HM, and The Daddy of my First HM spawn :hug: so he means alot to me.

Maintain that, but when you change the water, make it about 1/4th a teaspoon, unless someone else has a suggestion.. and I would massage again tomorrow.
I just wish there was some way to give a fish an enema.

Sounds like you're doing everything you can BP. Just keep the faith and wait. Just be careful using too much epsom like belle said. it will dehydrate him. But I believe Epsom salts is also a natural laxitive in and of itself so... hopefully that will get him going.

hey everyone, he is still huge Today :( but he has built a nice Bubble nest :P and he is still active and flaring ;) i can see a long poo cord inside his stomach now :blink: , I have not seen that, so that looks like a good sign :D hopefully it will leave his body and he will recover, :hug: :T

Never has a poo discussion been so riviting.
You know I have been keeping Ma Belle abreast of the Sunny situation, right?
I hope he goes for you soon, and the fact he is active and flaring is good.
Maybe another massage?

YAY! I'm still pulling for you and Sunny, Cody!

:OO @ Belle.

:hug: thanks guys for the Kind words and support :rolleyes:
well he is still huge but but but :WOW: :WOW: he went poo :hawaiibanana :hawaiibanana :hawaiibanana so I hope that means he is on the rebound. I will keep everyone posted :D Bella don't forgot tell ma belle :OO

AND a Big Shout OUT to Greentera and Bella I think your Epsom Salt Suggestion saved his Life :D and Bella your flaring and massge suggestions i'm sure helped Your my Heros!!!

Anyone wanna give Aristotle a squeeze... Maybe that's the cure all including for dropsy we've all been looking for??? A HUG!!!
but honestly... he's pineconed.. so not looking good.
C'est la vie!!

I think everyone wants the miracle cure for dropsey. You ask anyone and I think yuo will find that they will say it's the most devistating thing to see your betta come down with.

Congrat with the big poo Cody.. Just please refrain from any poo pics in the update. :OO

Dropsy question:
I've never had dropsy in my filtered tanks... has anyone had a dropsy occurrence in a cycled, filtered tank?
I've only seen it occur in unfiltered, uncycled tanks that require 100% changes.
If we can figure out the cause.. maybe we can engineer a cure.

Yes I did, in a 37 gallon planted tank. My first male Crowntail came down with it. And Dropsey is not really a disease itself but the effect of the kidneys shutting down due to another cause. That's why you must first find what is causing it and then get the kidneys to function again. That's why only a few rare instances, the fish has bounced back because it was caught and cured in time, allowing the kidney to regain enough function to support life.

so, what would boost kidney function?
humans use cranberry juice.
will bettas eat cranberries? would they be toxic to them, ya think?

Nothing. It like a person that is dying. Towards the end they lose all their renal functions. You would basically have to make a dialasys machine for a betta to support it's life functions at that point.

ECB, get to designing then!!!

No

No No...

Not since the betta defibulator fiasco.

WHOOOO HOOOO!!!!
We got POO!!!!

That is wonderful, it really is. Now he needs to get the rest of the poo out!!

Ma Belle.. well, she just shakes her head and says at least it isn't dog poo, lol. But she is happy that he seems to be on the mend as well.

Im wondering if maybe it is a age related illness?? seems like the only fish i have had come down with dropsy were very old 2 yeaRS +

:flower

They might be more prone? Like when flu season comes around, children and the elderly get the flu shots first because they are the most likely to come down with it. Might be the same with bettas, because fry are the most prone to velvet, and maybe older bettas are more prone to dropsy.

hiya cody I hope your guy is doing alot better :flower

Hope to hear from you Cody and give us some good news on Sunny.
^_^

Hey eveyone, well sunny is still really boated but he is Going poo :OO so i'm not sure what to do should I keep treating him? i'm not sure what should be done :blink:

Keep treating him.
I am hoping that he hasn't decided to dropsy, because of the pressure on his kidneys, and because of the toxins from not pooing all that time running through his bloodsystem.
If you have some Maracyn 2, give it to him, or some Tetracycline, or maracyn TC, just in case.
If he is deciding to dropsy, this might head it off at the pass.
I would continue with the epsom salts, and if you have started feeding him again, do the pea thing, or some frozen daphnia or brine shrimp.

"sleepsick Sunny has Pineconed today :worried so he is A gonner, I guess the stress was just to much for his kidneys :( , but thanks all for the Kind words and advice, it was so nice to know you all for sending him Good vibes.

:( :unsure:

I'm so sorry Cody.

:hug:

:hug:
I'm sorry.
Some live with dropsy for days... mine's had it for 2 months and is still around and still eating, if that gives you hope??

:hug: I am sorry, I had a not too good feeling when you said he was pooing, but still bloated.
Like Davinia said, some have lived with it for months, and some have actually gotten through it.
I had a fish who pineconed after a heater malfunctioned, and because I caught it as soon as he started to pinecone, he recovered, although he had SBD until he died.
This has happened to me a couple times.
I have a female I am treating right now, that was starting to pinecone last night
Now, I am not going to say she is cured, but she certainly is not as bloated as she was.