Before I starting, I look for the dictionary for the word pedigree. Here what I found. It will be interesting to know the word and the meanings.

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ped·i·gree [ped-i-gree] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation
–noun
1. an ancestral line; line of descent; lineage; ancestry.
2. a genealogical table, chart, list, or record, esp. of a purebred animal.
3. distinguished, excellent, or pure ancestry.
4. derivation, origin, or history: the pedigree of a word.
[Origin: 1375–1425; late ME pedegru < AF, equiv. to MF pie de grue lit., foot of crane, a fanciful way of describing the appearance of the lines of a genealogical chart]

—Related forms
ped·i·gree·less, adjective

—Synonyms 2. Pedigree, genealogy refer to an account of ancestry. A pedigree is a table or chart recording a line of ancestors, either of persons or (more especially) of animals, as horses, cattle, and dogs; in the case of animals, such a table is used as proof of superior qualities: a detailed pedigree. A genealogy is an account of the descent of a person or family traced through a series of generations, usually from the first known ancestor: a genealogy that includes a king.

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ped·i·gree (p?d'?-gr?') Pronunciation Key
n.
A line of ancestors; a lineage.
A list of ancestors; a family tree.
A chart of an individual's ancestors used in human genetics to analyze Mendelian inheritance of certain traits, especially of familial diseases.
A list of the ancestors of a purebred animal.


[Middle English pedegru, from Anglo-Norman pe de grue : pe, foot (from Latin p?s; see pedi-) + de, of (from Latin d?; see de-) + grue, crane (from the resemblance of a crane's foot to the lines of succession on a genealogical chart) (from Vulgar Latin *gr??, from Latin gr?s, gru-; see ger?-2 in Indo-European roots).]

ped'i·greed' adj.
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Online Etymology Dictionary - Cite This Source
pedigree
c.1410, "genealogical table or chart," from Anglo-Fr. pe de gru, a variant of O.Fr. pied de gru "foot of a crane," from L. pedem "foot" + gruem (nom. grus) "crane," cognate with Gk. geranos, O.E. cran, see crane). On old manuscripts, "descent" was indicated by a forked sign resembling the branching lines of a genealogical chart; the sign also happened to look like a bird's footprint. Form infl. in M.E. by association with degree. Meaning "ancestral line" is c.1440; of animals, 1608.

Online Etymology Dictionary, © 2001 Douglas Harper
WordNet - Cite This Source
pedigree

adjective
1. having a list of ancestors as proof of being a purebred animal

noun
1. the descendants of one individual; "his entire lineage has been warriors"
2. line of descent of a purebred animal
3. ancestry of a purebred animal

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Kernerman English Multilingual Dictionary (Beta Version) - Cite This Source
pedigree1 [?pedigri?] noun
a list of the ancestors from whom a person or animal is descended
Example: a dog's pedigree

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Then I do Thesaurus
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Main Entry: pedigree
Part of Speech: adjective
Definition: purebred
Synonyms: full-blooded, pedigreed, pure-blood, thoroughbred
Source: Roget's New Millennium™ Thesaurus, First Edition (v 1.3.1)
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Main Entry: pedigree
Part of Speech: noun
Definition: heritage
Synonyms: ancestry, blood, breed, clan, derivation, descent, extraction, family, family tree, genealogy, heredity, line, lineage, origin, race, stirps, stock
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Main Entry: ancestry
Part of Speech: noun
Definition: history
Synonyms: ancestor, antecedent, antecessor, blood, breed, breeding, derivation, descent, extraction, forebear, forefather, foregoer, forerunner, genealogy, heritage, house, kindred, line, lineage, origin, parentage, pedigree, precursor, primogenitor, progenitor, race, source, stock
Antonyms: descendants, posterity
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Main Entry: birth
Part of Speech: noun 3
Definition: heritage
Synonyms: ancestry, background, blood, breeding, derivation, descent, extraction, forebears, genealogy, heritance, legacy, line, lineage, nobility, noble extraction, parentage, pedigree, position, race, rank, station, status, stock, strain
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Main Entry: blood
Part of Speech: noun 2
Definition: ancestry
Synonyms: birth, consanguinity, descendants, descent, extraction, family, kindred, kinship, line, lineage, origin, pedigree, relations, stock
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Main Entry: breed
Part of Speech: noun
Definition: class
Synonyms: brand, character, extraction, family, feather, genus, ilk, kind, likes, line, lineage, lot, nature, number, pedigree, progeny, race, sort, species, stamp, stock, strain, stripe, type, variety
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Main Entry: class
Part of Speech: noun 2
Definition: status
Synonyms: ancestry, birth, bourgeoisie, breed, caliber, caste, circle, clan, clique, club, company, condition, connection, coterie, cultural level, degree, derivation, descent, estate, extraction, family, genealogy, grade, hierarchy, influence, intelligentsia, league, lineage, moiety, nobility, origin, pecking order*, pedigree, pigeonhole*, place, position, prestige, quality, sect, social rank, source, sphere, standing, state, station, status, stock, strain, stratum, tier, title
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* = informal or slang
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Main Entry: descent
Part of Speech: noun 2
Definition: ancestry
Synonyms: blood, extraction, family, family tree, genealogy, heredity, lineage, origin, parentage, pedigree, relationship
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Main Entry: extraction
Part of Speech: noun 2
Definition: ancestry
Synonyms: birth, blood, derivation, descent, family, lineage, origin, parentage, pedigree, race, stock
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Main Entry: family
Part of Speech: noun
Definition: offspring
Synonyms: ancestors, ancestry, birth, blood, brethren, brood, children, clan, class, descendants, descent, dynasty, extraction, folk, forebears, forefathers, genealogy, generations, genre, group, house, household, in-laws, inheritance, issue, kin, kind, kindred, line, lineage, ménage, network, offspring, parentage, paternity, patrimony, pedigree, people, progenitors, progeny, race, relations, relationship, relatives, siblings, strain, subdivision, system, tribe
Source: Roget's New Millennium™ Thesaurus, First Edition (v 1.3.1)
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Then I checked on encyclopedia and this is what I found.
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Pedigree (animal)
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A pedigreed animal is one that has its ancestry recorded. Often this is tracked by a major registry. The number of generations required varies from breed to breed, but all pedigreed animals have papers from the registering body that attest to their ancestry.
Sometimes purebred is used synonymously with pedigreed, but not all purebreds have their lineage recorded. Although all pedigreed animals are purebred, not all purebreds are pedigreed.

See also
Cat breed
Dog breed
List of dog breeds

Pedigree chart
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A pedigree chart is a chart which tells one all of the known phenotypes for an organism and its ancestors, most commonly humans, show dogs, and race horses. The word pedigree is a corruption of the French "pied de gru" or crane's foot, because the typical lines and split lines (each split leading to different offspring of the one parent line) resemble the thin leg and foot of a crane. yesh
In animal breeding
In an animal pedigree chart, characteristics are colored in,and all those without that characteristics are left unfilled. A disease may be recessive or dominant. Organisms known to be heterozygous are half colored in, half not. Squares represent males, while circles represent female.
In human genealogy
Pedigree charts are also a common tool in human genealogy studies as a means of displaying the ancestry of a given individual or the descendants of a given individual. A pedigree chart concentrating on all the ancestors of a single individual (including all female lines of ancestry) is also called a "birth brief" in the UK and may number persons on the chart using the Ahnentafel system.
Equally common, however, is the "family tree" form of pedigree chart, which shows the descendants of a particular individual, and thereby highlights sibling and cousin relationships which would not appear on the above form of pedigree chart. A chart on these lines will often concentrate only on the male line of descent, so that the marriages but not the children of female descendants are recorded. In this way, the pedigree will encompass only those who share the same surname.

In addition to the names of the individuals, it is common to include each person's birth date and place, death date and place, and the marriage date and place of each couple.

In England and Wales pedigrees are officially recorded in the College of Arms, which has records going back to the middle ages, including pedigrees collected during roving inquiries by its heralds during the sixteenth and seventeenth century. The purpose of these heraldic visitations was to register and regulate the use of coats of arms. Those who claimed the right to bear arms had to provide proof either of a grant of arms to them by the College, or of descent from an ancestor entitled to arms. It was for this reason that pedigrees were recorded by the visitations. Pedigrees continue to be registered at the College of Arms and kept up to date on a voluntary basis but they are not accessible to the general public without payment of a fee.

More visible, therefore, are the pedigrees recorded in published works, such as Burke's Peerage and Burke's Landed Gentry in the United Kingdom and, in continental Europe by the Almanach de Gotha. Due to space considerations, however, these publications typically use a narrative pedigree, whereby relationships are indicated by numbers (one for each child, a different format for each generation) and by indentations (each generation being indented further than its predecessor). This format is very flexible, and allows for a great deal of information to be included, but it lacks the clarity of the traditional chart pedigree.

U.S. usage

In the United States, the term "pedigree chart" refers to a chart showing the direct ancestors of a given individual. In addition to the names of the individuals, the chart often includes each person's birth date and place, death date and place, and each couple's marriage date and place. It is also common for persons on the chart to be numbered according to the Ahnentafel numbering system.
Pedigree chart numbered on the Ahnentafel system
8. Great-grandfather
4. Paternal grandfather-|
| 9. Great-grandmother
2. Father-|
| | 10. Great-grandfather
| 5. Paternal grandmother-|
| 11. Great-grandmother
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1. Person-|
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| 12. Great-grandfather
| 6. Maternal grandfather-|
| | 13. Great-grandmother
3. Mother-|
| 14. Great-grandfather
7. Maternal grandmother-|
15. Great-grandmother
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OK. I think that is more than enough to read and research.
Now what do you all think about is pedigree work for betta? :rolleyes:

I think a pedigree for bettas is a great induction into breeding. We just use it differently, saying F# usually. But often times a tree is more helpful especially when crossing out to cousins and the like, as well as outcrossing to different lines. The only drawback I see is it can be a lot of work to create an ancestry to a line. Sometimes it can be worth it to document, especially in the near extinct lines of the pure color bettas.

i only think it is usefull if you actually know the whole family tree not just where you started at ;)

I like the family tree thing very much but I am still not sure to use the word pedigree yet. People using pedigree too easily and will lead the wrong way. I am still thinking and looking for the right word. It takes time. Right?
I do agreed with east coast bettas regarding the pure solid color bettas. So this might be the first step as pedigree? :rolleyes:

Work???
Like my 35 lb. "pedigreed" Pomeranian.

Well, you have to realize as well, when I say pedigree, I am talking about a line of fish at least going back 3 generation or more. Dog pedigrees are different because inbreeding of dogs doesn't turn out quite the same for bettas, and to form a line through with them is more difficult. Not to mention, if you read some of the findings about genetics through line breeding of bettas, you can almost be assured a stable genetic charicter after 10 generations (Barring of course the introduction of the marble or metallic traits). So really what we need to focus on is the fish lines that exist today and how we can preserve them. If developing a lineage, even from a first spawn is the way to do it, at least it's a step in the right direction.

I need your thought. Not spam it please. :D If you disagree, please come up with something to support it. A word or a phrase for the new "pedigree" for betta. ;)

Bella does pedigrees. I am sure she has an opinion on this, so just wait for her to post.

Haha, how are they spamming? It looks like they did give their thoughts to me. :rolleyes:

This is what I think.
Using pedigrees as I use them, I can clearly see where a line needs work, and where I should concentrate my next breeding efforts in this line.
If you are breeding for show, and that is what I am doing, you need to have a better bases for putting two fish together other than I think the kids will look nice, otherwise don't expect to place too often with your fish.
You can LOOK at a picture at see, if you are breeding reds.. this line has too much irrids, and it isn't clearing up the way it should, I need to cross to a cleaner line.. or if you are breeding marbles, well, my color and pattern is good, but I need to work on my dorsals...If there are hidden genes, you know by looking at what is being produced by your fish.
Also, having pedigrees on your fish, gives you a general knowledge of the genetics of the fish you are working with.
And a pedigree CAN start with two pairs of fish, with an unknown genetic background. I mean, really, what do any of us REALLY know about the genetics of our fish? If we are lucky, we might get pictures of the parents... However, by breeding those fish, and keeping records of what was produced from that breeding, and then the records of what was produced from the breeding of THOSE fish, ect, you can get a fuller picture of what kinds of genes you are playing with.
That is why the Show Betta Registy was started, and no, it never really got off the ground.. but the rational was you don't just buy a pretty fish, you are buying genes to reproduce pretty fish of your own.
All of that being said, I do not know what you are asking.
If it is this..

My answer is this. Is it too much work? For ME, no it isn't. For a fair number of other breeders, no it isn't.
For anyone that is willing to keep records of their fish, and track genetic trends, no it isn't.
I, perhaps go much further in MY pedigrees than others, however, I believe a picture is worth a thousand words, and SHOWING the ancestry in pictures, lets you see at a glance, faults in form, color and finnage that might not be apparent by reading the words Orange HM PK.
If it is this..

Pedigree is the correct word for use when describing the ancestry of a fish, as borne out by the information you kindly found and posted for us.
If I am misunderstanding what you are asking, maybe you can clarify for me, because I think perhap I am not the only one unsure of what the question is.

hey yeeves i'm like belle I'm not sure why you care? whats so important? who cares what word is used if someone had the history of there fish 3,4,5 generations back i wouldn't care if they called it Booked a pilot. as long as the info was correct :LOL:

How about Bettagree! :Y

I still like Booked a pilot better, but serioulsy From now on I'm using Bettagree..you sold me i love it ;)

Is pedigrees for betta really valid? I would say nope. Else IBC already using it. ^_^ I would say pedigrees is not work for betta unless specific rules been set in.
i really like that new word as bettagree! Maybe can work with that. Great idea! :lolo:

I tell you what, I'll ask everyone at the show if pedigree is a valid term.

I still don't understand your objection.
The IBC doesn't use the term pedigree because the IBC doesn't REGISTER fish. It is as simple as that.
If you want RULES, then here you go.. From The Show Betta REGISTRY.

"Been deleted. Not supposed to copy and paste in here without copy right permission." You been warning, Belle.

OH Snap!

I read that before and I know who that belongs too. Still I disagree using pedigree word.

Why do you disagree with using the word, when that is what it is? I don't understand.

Read the dictionary word "pedigree."

I have been working with pedigrees for 20 years in some capacity or another.
When "I" refer to pedigree, I mean THIS, and I am using it as it is supposed to be used.
By the first definition you posted, this is clearly definition 2.
"I" do not mean anything different by the word pedigree than just that, a genealogical table, chart, list, or record, esp. of a purebred animal.
If you look at any kind of animal that is said to be pedigreed, you will see the same thing that "I" use. I just use pictures in all of mine, and most other pedigrees use the names of the animals in the genealogical chart alone.

Here is the pedigree of a chihuahua.
Here is the pedigree for an arabian.
Here is the pedigree of an angus.

The only difference between the pedigree of the fish I posted, and the ones of the other animals is that my fish aren't registered. And that I have pictures up for all the ones that I have pictures for.
But you do not have to be registered with any orangization to have a pedigreed animal. There are people that are working lines of cross breeds, breeding them together to make a pure bred animal. These people keep pedigrees on their animals, even though they are not registered with any orangization, until such time that they can get their animals registered.

Here is a quote from
THIS site.

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They were breeding cross bred dogs, but have now established their dogs are pure breds, even though their dogs are not registered with any kennel club, association or agency, as far as I know.

I just want to say, I don't think pedigree is a great term.
The root pedi... means foot. Fish don't have feet.

Middle English pedegru, from Anglo-Norman pe de grue : pe, foot (from Latin pçs; see pedi-) + de, of (from Latin dç; see de-) + grue, crane (from the resemblance of a crane's foot to the lines of succession on a genealogical chart) (from Vulgar Latin *grûâ, from Latin grûs, gru-; see gerə-2 in Indo-European roots).]
from dictionary.com

Anyways, I'm rooting for bettagree. :D

Good point, Davenia7. Now that make more sense regarding "pedigree" for animal with feet. :lolo: Davenia7. You are very smart and do look carefully in the dictionary as I told everyone. It just something not right to using pedigree for betta. LOL

I do think "bettagree" can replace that for betta now than pedigree. We should make that valid word! :D

It can be called whatever, but we are talking about the same thing. Let's try not to argue about a word, please.

Ok, how about simply calling it a "Genetic Chart".

Makes sense to me. I agree with Yeevs about the word pedigree. It's over used.

Yes, it can be translated "foot" but was more correctly translated "root", meaning "the beginning".

Haha!
I'm sooo busted!
Wild, you're not supposed to let everyone know I'm not as smart as I pretend I am.
Smart aleck perhaps.
I just say don't use it bc foot is one translation... it actually translates out in latin as a crane's foot.
This is used to be symbolic of what a geneological chart looks like.
silly Latin.
But I say... they are fish and feet should in no way be associated with them.

As long as it is used in the correct context, I don't care how it is used.