What can you get from breeding HM-PK (short fins) x HM (long fins)?

There are some improved or poorer characteristics of the HM?

Thanks in advance

Basic genetics: PKxHM is Long Fin F1, if you breed two siblings together for a F2, You will get 50% LF and 50%PK. Plakat is recessive, Long finned is doninant.

Some people have crossed the two to get the sharper edges to their LF fish, stronger rays that can support more finnage (it's what people have told me, I have never actually seen that myself, maybe some one here has), and if you have a good symetrical plakat that has alot of branchng early on, they could pass that along to the long finned kids so you could get more branching.

Just make sure if you are going to try this that you get a good (above average really nice) plakat, that is symetrical, that FITS into your breeding program. If you are breeding red fish and you have this excelent blue plakat that you want to breed into the lines to improve finnage, you are going to set your self behind because you are going to get blue fish with crappy red wash, or at best weird liiking blue/red bycolor.

Hope I helped!

Well. There's nothing left to say. Jamie covered it completely! :D

Pitty RC. I use him as my Q and A 24/7. If I see something that I have a question on, or I don't fully understand, I live with an IBC judge. And we will have discussions and just go through AquaBid, seeing the faults and highlights of each fish.

So I've learned a thing or two along the way! And this is a question that is actually asked semi often. I see it on either here or another forum that I'm on once a month.

Don't forget, if the HM carries PK, when breeding a HM to a PK you could also get PK fry.


00|HM....|pk
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pk|HMpk|pkpk
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pk|HMpk|pkpk

This an oversimplified punnett square. HM fromPK lines on top, bred to a pure PK on the bottom.

Is it possible to get HMs from a HMPK x HMPK cross? They are from the same spawn which produced HMs and HMPKs.

It shouldn't, if that is the Punnet square, but I swear that some of my Rocky fry are getting WAY too finny for HMPKs.

You can not get HM from a PK x PK spawn, but if they came from a spawn that produced both HM and PK then you may have used a HM female so you could get both HM and PK. Of course we are using HM to mean long finned fish and not real HM. The mutant for "long finned" is Prachtiges (P) It's a single dominate gene. plakat "short fin" is the wild type gene.


RC

Yeah, sometimes it is VERY hard to tell with females, what you are actually working with.

That is what I had figured....

Alright, let's see if I can clear this up... As a continuation of Bellas.... All you can get from a PkxPK is PK


00..... l 180pk l 180pk
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180pk l 180pk l 180pk
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180pk l 180pk l 180pk


180LF x 180pk: You get 100% Long Finned Looking fish, but they all carry Plakat

00..... l 180LF l 180LF
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180pk l 180LFpk l 180LFpk
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180pk l 180LFpk l 180LFpk


180LFpk x 180LFpk: 25% Long finned, no Plakat. 50% Long finned, carry's plakat, 25% plakat

00......l 180LF l 180pk
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180LF l 180LFLF l 180LFpk
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180pk l 180LFpk l 180pkpk


180LFpk x 180pkpk: 50% Long finned, carry plakat. 50% Plakat.


00......l 180LF l 180pk
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180pk l 180LFpk l 180pkpk
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180pk l 180LFpk l 180pkpk

Hope it helps... Labella, I took your Idea and re-wrote it because the whole thing with HM, some people refer to HM as long finned, and people could see HMpk as either a plakat with a 180 spread, or a long finned fish that carries plakat. It's your idea doll, I just continued it and renamed a little bit to make sure people don't get confused!

And Mumu, check the history on your fish. If you are getting more finnage on a PK x PK cross, one of the parents carries HM, and it is probably the female because you can't tell with them what they are unless they are from a pk x pk cross. Or you could be getting a lot of raying and finnage on some of your males. I have seen pics of plakats that you can tell are plakats, but they have Oodles of branching. If all else fails, wait and see what you have, and then evaluate.

And of course while I was working on this, other people posted a short version of what I was getting across. Ooh well, I still hope it helps!

Oh, no, that's fine, and thanks, cause they would have been asking me to do the thing out the way you have done it, lol.
You just saved me a lot of typing, lol.

Nadda prob. I saw your idea, saw how people saying HM and HMPK and which is what and what is which and crossing this will end up with that....

I figure end the confusion a before it starts! And save all of us a head ache!

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You’ve just about mastered it.

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