Im really really in love with the look of these fish finnage needs work but he told me he has some nice fems if i need them i just stare at em all day long lol what do ya all think about them.

http://www.aquabid.com/cgi-bin/auction/auc...shmp&1171034749

WOAH. Nice dragon.

Ventrals are too long for my taste, but caudal is actually not terribly bad (to me). They are rounded, but not terribly so. :) Could use work but niiiice.

vents are a lil ong for me to i like the shorter fuller ones speaking of vents ****holy godzilla vents batman !!!! check these out

http://www.aquabid.com/cgi-bin/auction/auc...shmp&1171085331


:WOU :WOU :WOU

What are your plans for a iridescent,metallic opaque,cambodian plakat ? That fish carries all of that.


RC

The second fish is better finnage wise. even with the long anal.



RC

umm i really had no plans for a pk like that RC lol lol ! :blink: was hopin maybe they would make more like itself so should i take that as a huge no???

RC,
Do both of those bettas have too rounded an anal for a plakat?

:verysurprise WOW! Cameofin, you did a great job raising this babies! This male is very nice! Don't hiding all your beautiful bettas. You are really a teaser. LOL I bid you got more beautiful bettas. Are you ready to send some for the competition? :lolo:



:coffee1

Now you would think that would be a very simple question to answer now wouldn't you, but the IBC has 3 different types of plakats. The first type in a traditional plakat. That fish is you have a 180spread caudal, but should have rounded edges. It can also be spade shaped with the "point" in the center of the caudal. The caudal should not have more then secondary branching. The ventrals should be 2/3 the length of the body. The anal fin should be trapezoid shaped, but the front should be shorter then the back. The back end of the anal should end in a tip ( pointed extension) The dorsal can be rounded or pointed on the back edge.
The second type is almost the same fish but with a circular shaped dorsal that should open like a fan. The caudal on the fish should be the same as on a standard show betta (HM) but only be 1/3 the body length. It has the pointed anal and long ventrals. Both of the first 2 types are non-symmetrical type fish.The 3rd type of plakat is what most people here are most interested in. It's basically a short finned version of the long finned HM. They are symmetrical fish. So you answer your question... the anal is not too rounded for the 3rd type plakat, but really rounded for the first 2 types. SO the question I have for everyone is what type plakat are the 2 fish in question and why ????? :Whisssss


RC

Well, I know in first type (traditional) good anal is sharp and trapezoidal shape. I guess the 2nd type is same? Length of ventral should be same as longest edge of anal too, I think.

:\ Confusing. I'm sure neither are traditional plakats, so I guess either 2nd or third...
The 2nd one looks more like 3rd type to me, but am not sure.

Id say they are both HMPK cause of the nice fan shape caudles i cant really tell how strait the ends of each caudle are cause of the pic angle but they look fairly nice i like the vents on the first one could be fuller and the vents onthe second im not sure about ive never seen any so massive before lol also i see no spade tail or round tail on either and i think the anals could be shorter and come to more of a point on both. but i deffinately say HM. ohh dorsals look nice and i dont notice any stunted front rays .

P>S> still love the dragons:) :T

On traditional plakats the ventral should be 2/3 the length of the body. They can be full or narrow. The caudal should not have more then secondary branching and be a 180 spread, but have rounded edges. The anal should be trapezoid shaped, but have an extended tip off the read edge. Do either of the fish match the caudal for a traditional Plakat ?



RC

o.o No. Trad pk = 2 ray. First betta = 4 ray. Second betta = ... multi ray.

Ooooooooh~ Then I suppose the first betta is trad? @___@ Confusing...

so RC now ya got me curious and i mite get them just to see what kinda fry they actually produce ******mad doctor experiments intriging****** :OO :OO :OO

The first one is not a traditional plakat. Traditional plakat only have primary branches. Therefore only two rays. If got secondary braches, it will have four rays and that is not traditional plakat. Clear now? :)

Wasting your time and your money just to experimental that gold dragon unless you want to make more pet for everyone. :rolleyes: If he put in any competition, he sure got kick out. LOL :LOL:
Why? Everything in that betta is in between. So maybe or I wish..... :knowwhat

The Traditional plakat has no MORE then secondary branching so 4 rays still falls into traditional plakat caudals. :welcome


THIS IS WRONG 4 RAYS IS NOT PREFFERED.




RC

HUH? I thought IBC prefer one branch with 2 rays for traditional plakat. Nope? I think 2 rays is better than 4 rays for traditional plakat. :lolo:

This is the taditional plakat standard from the Judges manual. 180 spread is pretty hard to get with just primary branching. Sorry no figures from the manual posted.

Caudal - The caudal fin may be either spade shaped (see figure) or
rounded. If spade-shaped the point should be at the midpoint of the fin. A
caudal spread of 180° is preferred, but differs from the requirements for other showBetta and for other plakat classes in two respects. First the edges of the caudal finare expected to be rounded rather than shaped in the configuration of the letter D(see figures). Second, the 180° caudal should
not be achieved by greater than primary or
secondary branching of the caudal fin rays.
Thus the caudal spread in a traditional plakat
is achieved by an increase in the volume of
tissue between rays rather than by an
increase in fin ray branching.

ya really cant show that fish in any slot at a show ???

why is that?? this depresses me i love the dragons :huhwhat?

That fish fits the traditional plakat class just fine. It would be shown in H1 traditional Plakat form. All colors are alllowed in that class.


RC

Will this guy kick that dragon butt?

:lolo:

That fish would place over the other one because he has the pointed anal and long ventral. He has the other type caudal (spade) that is excepted in the tradional form plakat class. One problem with that fish is the body looks very splendenish. aka he has a long finned body shape, but the has a thicker body that fits the class better. The splenden body is a major fault, but the rounded anal and short ventrals of the light colored plakat are both major faults so the red/iridescent one would place higher.


RC

All this show stuff is confusing! :lolo: :o So if you have a dragon HM what show class could you show in?

I'm wrong on this. yeevia was right when he said 2 rays were preferred over 4 rays in traditional plakats. I had to have a talk with a few people and go over what the standards said, but 2 rays the preferred branching.I knew something was wrong with it.


RC

The dragon part of it means nothing, but a HM plakat would be one of two types. If it is nothing more than a short finned version of a long finned HM splenden then it would show in T1 symmetrical plakats. It'd currently a trail class but looks like it will be made a normal class. If it is a "traditional" but with a real HM caudal then it would show in "show plakat" classes which are currently H2-H5 in the IBC show list. H1 is traditional plakats currently.

Sorry RC,

I meant for a non plakat.

No problem. He would show in K3 . Light bodied metallic if he was light body based or K1 if he was dark bodied based. Again the name dragon doesn't mean anything.



RC

Thanks!!!!!

Thats my Tyson
I purchased him from jaded12 on here
or atleast im pretty sure its him

That fish was bred by Cameofin Bettas, and is a second or third (I forget) generation of her breeding made from crossing her irrids into her frosted marbles.
Unless Jaded bought that fish from Cam, and then resold to you, I am pretty sure that it isn't yours, lol.

In the action it says the winner is Jaded and I purchased him from jaded. Hes even got the weird anal fin

Well, like I said, unless Jaded bought that fish from Cam, and then resold to you, I am pretty sure that it isn't yours, lol.
Since Jaded bought that fish, and you bought the fish from Jaded, then I guess it is your fish.
If you contact Cameofins bettas, she can give you a full pedigree on your fish.

Debbie's fish rock!

They sure do, I can't wait until she breeds something I want, lol.
Her fish are almost enough to get me into frosted marbles, lol.

I'm loving HMPK more and more and more.

Oh yeah, I'm loving them. As soon as I have a fishroom the size of my house, HMs and HMPKs, watch out, lol.

OH.. you left out my latest fad and love .. HMPKCT!

Should I go to a place where CTs like the water, you can add both of those, CTs and HMPKCTs to the list.