I came across these while "surfing" one day. (wonder if we can import from Belgium?)

#1 #2

#3 #4

#5 #6

#7 #8

I'm thinking I'll end up with something similar to #4 or #5 from my platinum/red CT & red dragon PK cross. And those last 2 ............. :OMG: :hawaiibanana :Ohlalala :cat :wub:

:ugly LOL :OO Not my type of betta. LOL
They look like just been nip off everywhere. Like been sudden ATTACK everywhere on him in that second by a group of fins nippers. :lolo:
I still prefer hmpk. I think maybe the anal fin are too long. I just like the tail only. :D

UGLY?????? :LOL2 :ugly :chair :chair :ugly :bonk :bonk

You saying they got "big butts"? :LOL: :LOL2 (Hey fin nippers gotta eat too. LOLOL)


Yeah, they definitely are too long. especially compared to Vinita's fish. The colors are "AWESOME" on a few though. Her's are definitely more balanced.

If you bred a pure black to a mustard gas, think you might get that black mg?? I love that color!! It reminds me of a sunset. :wub:

I like the color the black/yellow Bicolor.



RC

What would I breed to get that color?

I'd start with a melano male and a yellow female. From that spawn you should get all multicolors. In F2 you will recover the yellow. From there you just have to start selecting for the black/yellow bicolor your working for. The same thing can be done to produce iridescent/yellow bicolors. I had a green/yellow line that I started just that way.



RC

Well, that opens an all new "can of worms". How do you select a "Melano"?.

Every one I've ever seen always has the unwanted "irrids", usually a steel blue. I know that since the melano females are usually unabe to produce viable eggs, that steel blues are commonly used for outcrossing. Will this show up in future generations of a cross as a "blue wash"? I've aways stayed away from Melanos out of this concern. Ive seen some "melanos" that, under certain light, looked like more of a steel blue than a black.

On the previously mentioned cross of a melano/yellow to achieve a black/yellow bi-color. I could handle two or three or even more generations of selective breeding to get the "look" I wanted, but I've always heard, as well as read that "washes", although easy to introduce, are extremely hard to breed out of a line.

Yes washes are very hard to get out, but one advantage of the yellow/melano cross is you are now using the yellow to spawn to and not iridescent females. It's a matter of selective breeding from that point on. Another way to go is marble based blacks, but the problem with that is that they marble. You have to work to find the really poor marbles that don't marble at all. The fish in the picture has iridescent on both the fins and body.No fish is ever perfect in color or form. Yes a huge amount of melano blacks would be shown in the dark bodied Bicolor class because of the large amount of iridescents that cover the body.It's the biggest problem with melano blacks right now.




RC

WOW. Something you can work with now.
Don't you think if you cross over with melano, the females usually unfertile? I got one from thailand and she is a black melano cross gas mustard. Her eggs are unfertile. She is given to Bettaqueen now and you can see her picture in her signature. ^_^

The eggs are only infertile if they get melano from both parents. That's why black(melano/melano) females from a melano X steel/melano cross are infertile, but the steel/melano fish are not. You just have to breed to the melano/yellow females and not the melano/melano females.


RC

This is the female. Do you call this melano melano female or melano mustard female? :lolo: She is unfertile as I know. I breed her with an expert bluemask stud and all the eggs unfertile. :D

Thanks for explaining it in "English" instead of "R-1 X B-12 = BR549" terms. :LOL:
I could live with the small amout if iridescent in that CTPK if it showed up in later generations. What I wouldn't want would be a steel blue/yellow bi-color.

I really should study up on genetics since I'm always wanting something thats not a common color or a variety that is not readily available. But everytme I sit down and start reading about genetics, I go :bonkers . The simpler things I can understand, but when it gets in-depth, it's more than my feeble mind can handle. :LOL:

I think I've got "Mad Cow Disease"!! :bonkers

Hahaha. Even that, you still have to know at least three more generations of the betta to know what you will get in the next generation. That thailand breeder who sold me that female is in my black list. He told me that she is fertile. :chair Yeah right. lol :OO