Hey everybody...i was just visiting themat.com...but anyway there is a post titled D2..and anyway...there is a poster on there asking what is going on with Mankato, specifically Tommy Abbott...does anybody have any clue whats going on?

Thanks

I havent heard anything offical but from everything I have heard Tommy wont be wrestling this season I hope I am wrong because Im sure everyone in the NSIC and minnesota wants mankato at their best.

why won't he b wrestling? abbott hasn't redshirted and would make room for elg to wrestle at 149 which def fits him better than 157.

Be prepared for this post to be deleted. The moderators deleted all previous topics regarding this.

why should this post be deleted, we are wondering about the speculation of a returning ncaa champion not wrestling...seems newsworthy and without ill intent.

What is the MSU lineup looking like for next season?

It's early, but I'll take a stab at it.
Forstner
Fischer
Westphal
Elg
Ynegsdahl
Olson/Todd
Becker
Norgren
Mahan
Wilson

Are Westphal and Yngsdal even going out?

Any word on Cody Adams coming back?

im kinda wondering why abbot isnt going out as well....jesse and eric would def help get those points as well both studs

Abbot is still with the team as far as i know he's just not eligible for this season, i would expect to see Elg at 149

Elg at 149? What weight will Elg's Chin be at then?

ok thanks for the info grappler

he isn't attending msu or wrestling anywhere this year. in addition, he's got a baby on the way.

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It's early, but I'll take a stab at it.
Forstner
Fischer
Westphal
Elg
Ynegsdahl
Olson/Todd
Becker
Norgren
Mahan
Wilson



what about jake bonsack from usc?

bonsack and yngsdal are not wrestling. and elg isnt going 149...and aube might make 133

why arent bonsack and yngsdale wrestling?

As I said it was a stab at a line up. Would be surprised if I got half of them right by the time the season ends. It was really just to get something to talk about in the offseason. Hope they can stay healthy and keep up with the school work, you can never tell what happens during the season.

i heard bonsack couldnt juggle the school part with the wrestling and yngsdal is burnt out

I know Yngsdal frequent's these boards. So, lets ask him instead of "hear-say".

Mr. Yngsdal,
Is it true that you will no longer be wrestling with MSU?

haha k....and its yngsdal

My bad. Typin faster than I was thinking!

This will be a rebuilding year for msu because they have lost a lot of good wrestlers the last two seasons and will take some time to be the power house they were. Its hard to see such a great wrestler like abbott not being on the mat this year. anyone thats good enough to win a national championship while using a performance reducing drug shouldn't be penalized. Its as bad as when Phelps was all over the news for it and he won 8 gold medals.

Your not talking about the devil weed marijuana?

a rebuilding year? 6 returning starters that qualified for nationals...not bad... 3 returning AA (that all could win it all) i remember once after they lost 3 national finalist and 2 champs the same year...and never took a step back. if my research is right the mavs only lost 1 finalist from last year so looks like they will be 2x better than last year

I like your way of thinking:)

People have been saying that (it will be a rebuilding year) about MSU-Mkto for the past 4-5 years. They've remained right in the thick of things during that time. I'll be surprised if they're not in the top 5 this year and do believe they'll finish in the top 3. Forstner, Elg, Mahan and Wilson will be the leaders of this team. I also think Norgren will have a big year...he was very solid for them last year as a true freshman. Wouldn't surprise me at all to see them not RS Fisher and for him to be an AA...he is that good.

the boys are gonna surprise a lot of ppl (SCSU) and make a pretty solid team to be on top at the end of the year

25- forstner
33- fisher/ aube
41- fisher/westphal
49- westphal
57- elg
65- todd
74- becker
84- norgren
97- mahan
hwt- wilson

studs down low, then westphal who DID beat SCSUs guy, then not gonna lose very many matches from 57-hwt!

I think SCSU vs MSU is going to be a fun dual to watch. About 7 or 8 of the 10 weights could go either way based on what I see on paper at this point in the year. But nobody is really going to know either teams lineups probably until or after the National duals.

Wilson has a chance to win it but who are the other 2?
Dont think Forster has much chance. Top 3 are back and the kid who majored him for 5th place.
If you mean Elg from 2008 AA remember he was at 141 in 2008. At 157 he went 1-2. will be very hard for Elg win it at 157, the entire bracket is back except for Meneely. The 2 guys that beat Elg took 6th and 8th. Could Elg hang with Abbott last year? if he could then better chance at 149 this year with top 2 gone but he apparently doesn't want to cut so much and thats fine.
think SCSU has same thing as Mankato coming back.

I think you might be forgetting about the TF Elg through down on Eggers (returning national finalist) as well as the major decision victory against him. If you don't think based on that he's a national title contender than I don't know. Also, I would guess Willaert's also counting on Mahan as a title contender. I know he's tough but I don't have as much proof to back this up. Although if Willaert claims it (which I am doing for him) then I'm in.

in my mind i got forstner, elg, wilson and mahan and guys that could win it all.
forstner gets better every single match and he now has the medal stand taste in his mouth and hes seen the bright lights
elg beat down eggers twice last year (neither match was even close) i looked up some old stats and found that elg beat a finalist at 33 (valko) beat the 41 champ (liberty state guy) and beat eggers twice. i think that is enough facts to show the elg haters that he has a shot
mahan is a beast and made a few freshman mistakes but im siding with cwill on this one
wilson.......need i say anything??

You quoted mavs and attributed it to me...then mavs sided with me on what he actually said.

I never said that Mahan could win it all. However...he could...so now I am saying it. And from what I hear Brady is bigger/stronger than last year. While Elg went 1-2 at nationals last year he has proven that he can hang with and beat the best 157lbers in the country. With Meneely gone that weight is wide open. Eggers did run off a great tournament but I know he struggled with the weight last year so it will be interesting to see what he does this year.

eggers is a beast come tourney time, national qualifier as a fr, 4th as a so losing in semi's, runner up losing in 2ot as a jr....seems like the next logical step is a title. Your right though, that weight is loaded with aa's and qualifiers. i would think elg is best suited for 49, going 1-2 last yr should be evidence enough. MSU will be right there come ncaa's, however, seems to be a lot more drama and uncertainity this off season. i think both st cloud and uiu will knock them off.

More uncertainty than last year? At the end of last year 8 weights had different starters than the year before. Only Abbot and Wilson were at the same weights. There were 4 new starters in the line-up at the end of last year, some were at different weights, about what you would expect. I would expect about the same number this year. If you don't lose quality wrestlers every year then you don't have a quality program. With that said there should be some good duals within the conference this year. Good rivalries make for good wrestling, which makes for better recruinting which leads to better matches. Another fun year ahead!

i like your attitude vforstner. your right, when taking a closer look at msu, they have plenty of guys who can do some damage. from the outside looking in it just seemed that way. i too am looking forward to a heck a dual schedule, cant forget about augustana, maybe about time for them to knock someone off as well. I love how the nsic title is decided by a season of dual meets - best conf record.

If you want to add some more "Travis Elg for National Title" fuel to the fire you could also add:

- Victory over DIII champ Quincy Osborne as a true freshmen
- Victory over multiple DII AA Jeff Rutledge
- 3-0 with 3 falls over DII AA Bribieseca
- Beatdowns on AA Sundgren

Elg will be at 157, not 141, not 149 and he'll finish much closer to 1 than 8.

I like your positive thinking at 125...if Andy "Nail Gun" Forstner doesn't take any side roofing jobs from here until season's end I could see him getting his name in the top 3.

Not forgetting Eggers matches but he isn't going to wrestle Eggers every match at nationals. Remembering he went 1-2 at nationals and didn't wrestle Eggers. He lost to 6th and 8th and 15 of the 16 wrestlers are back. Sure he might win at 157 but so could 7 of the 8 returning AA. At 149 he would have much better chance to win it.
Mahan? don't think so. went 1-2 and top 3 guys are back and 6, 7, 8. Mahan could AA but IMO not a title contender.
Wilson favorite for 1st but the rest are a hope.
guess scsu could say suarez, roberts, sundgren, merritt, skala and munkelwitz are national champ contenders

like Mavs positive thinking

I'm sure those guys would all appreciate you saying they're not.

Not saying they are not. Read what it says 'guess scsu fans could say'.
But not saying because Roberts beat Abbott that he will be in finals and that Munkelwitz is right there with Mahan in finals since Munkelwitz lost by a point to Mahan.
Some Mav fans are being unrealistic. Wilson yes, but the rest are a hope and a prayer. Commenting on who they have beaten but ignoring results from nationals last year and all the returning AA is what fans do but expect some :rolleyes: