>90 points in two races? I don't think so.

And I hope the boys down at FermiLab are on the lookout for that "good vibe" particle! And if they do find it, there is also a "bad vibe" particle, since all particles come in pairs, the main one and its opposite.

mmmm bacon.

I posted in the believer thread - because I do believe he still has a chance to make it.

But the reality of it is 90 points and you have to depend on the others in the chase doing badly

Does that make me a bad fan, no I would love nothing more if Kasey does make it, and I still holding onto a thread of hope, but alot has to happen in order for that to happen

Yeah. I would love to see him make it. But it is going to take someone messing up for the next two weeks for it too happen. And the top 10 is pretty damn solid, as far as I can tell. I do not see that happening. So, it would be an amazing feat if he did it, but I will not be holding my breath. Last year at this point, Matt Kenseth was only 11 points out of 10th. Kasey is 90. So the previous comparison of those two is null and void...

Ok so I think he still has a chance to make it if nothing bad happens in the next 2 races. I mean yeah Carl and them are out of it but 90 points out with 2 races to go isnt bad and he still has a chance.

90 points = 45 points/race on average. Say he's to catch Mark Martin. Kasey could win the race, and lead the most laps, and he'd get 190 points. Mark Martin would have to finish below 8th for Kasey to catch him. Now lets say he finishes 10th in both races. Kasey would get 134 points. Mark Martin would have to finish below 25th in both races. The points are stacked against him. He has to beat people by a minimum of 7 places---that's in the best case---twice.

Exactly.

We're all entitled to our own opinions, but was this post really necessary again? We all saw how much drama the last one caused...

i agree. every time i see this it just makes me mad. the only time he posts is to tell us that kase isn't going to make it. go cause drama and add negativity at another board. i dont say a lot around here but this is just too much.

:nod

:gokasey2

Yes it's necessary.

It ticks me off to see people blindly follow anything, and to believe that the "good vibes" they "give off" will somehow help him.

Of course I'd like to see Kasey in the Chase, but I'm highly doubtful that's going to happen.

oh gosh we know already.

So you think it is highly unlikely that he will make it, and that is pefectly fine. But that does not make the rest of us horrible people for hanging on to the hope that he will.

In other sports, there have been teams who have defeated greater odds. For instance, take the 2004 World Series when the Red Sox won it all. In the ALCS, they were down 3-0 in the series against the Yankees, but were able to rally to win the next 4 games and advance to the World Series. So were their fans wrong for blindly following them after losing those first three games? Heck, they had been doing so since 1918!!

I’m too opinionated to just sit here and keep my mouth shut anymore. I’d like to preface this by saying that I have a friend that posts in this thread and this is no way directed at her. We’ve agreed that we have different viewpoints.

I don’t believe that anything I do will help Kasey. I don’t believe going around smiling all day makes problems or point deficits go away but it makes me feel better. And maybe that makes problems a little easier to overcome. I’m sure Kasey realistically knows his odds of getting into the chase, but I don’t think he wakes up every morning and repeats three times “I will not get into the chase.” I believe in being realistic and I believe in fact, but I also believe that there’s more to it than that.

If you believe that you’ll be defeated then you will be. I’m not trying to go around blowing sunshine up anyone’s butt- I’m just believing that Kasey will get in the chase until numbers tell me otherwise. Right now they just tell me it’s going to be difficult, not impossible. Where the heck would the Little Engine That Could ever have gotten if he went up the hill saying “I know I can’t”?

Sorry for the reference to a children’s book but I volunteer with children and if they’ve taught me anything in life it’s that faith, hope, and determination can be really amazing things. And the whole point of faith is sometimes blindly following because you believe in something that numbers and fact can’t prove. If you knew what the heck you were doing and where you were going you wouldn’t need it.

I’m usually the happy one that tries to get along with everyone, so I’m sorry if I’m ticked anyone off, but I’m not sorry for my opinion. I will go back to my believers thread now and stay there, like I probably should have to begin with. :hehe

~ Mary

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WELL SAID MARY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

This isn't what I needed to see after having a beyond bad night at work last night...

And so I'm just going to say this.

I still believe.

All Kasey needs is for Mark to have a bad race at California and he's in.

I find it interesting how you claim to be a big Kasey fan, but you refuse to have enough faith in the fact that he can make it into the chase. Don't tell me that you're being "realistic". That screams to me, in bright flashing neon, that you refuse to believe in Kasey.

I NEVER said I didn't believe, don't put words in my mouth.

I DID say I hope he can make it into the chase, I would love to see him there.

But, realistically he's 90 points back, that's reality

I don't think she was really talking to you. I think she was talking to the maker of this thread.

I don't get what the big deal is with people having their own opinions around here. I don't get why people can't just be like, "Cool, you have your opinion, I have mine." It's not that difficult.

I really don't think anyone's causing drama, honestly. If you disagree with an opinion you can state that you do, but what's the use in arguing?

It's the internet. People are going to have different view points.

I think it's perfectly reasonable to be a Kasey fan and look at the numbers and not think he's going to make it. What's wrong with taking statistics seriously?

However, I also think it's reasonable to have faith in him.

You can also have faith, but still have doubt. It happens.

This is all so silly, and I'm sorry for sounding so repetitive. ):

Personally while I don't agree w/ this thread cause I still believe that he can make it... stranger things have happend in NASCAR... and overcomming 90 points is still possible... so until the chase is set I still believe it could happen BUT... I do think that people have a right to their opinon and I respect that... I don't believe that because someone has "given up" (for lack of a better phrase) that they are a bad Kahne fan or what not... from what I've read they are still rooting for Kasey they're looking at in an a mathmatics way... which is fine.

So yeah... that's my opinon... I still think it can happen but I respect the opinon of those who have posted in here... they bring up some good points as well.

So Go Kasey!

Ditto the above poster as well :)

here is the deal........

have no problem with this thread, if you want your negative thread.....then have it

BUT don't attack the believers for our "good vibes" that goes beyond the RESPECT word........have your opinion that he won't make it cause your numbers say so and state it but don't be adding your good vibe and believers talk to it.

If you were to ask most people who do some of the most amazing things that change our lives..........they'd say that believing in yourself, believing you can do something is half the battle. So there is nothing wrong with a little faith and hope.

None of us are saying we don't know the numbers and we don't know he might not make it...........we are just choosing to believe that there is the possibility and that we know the team can do it, cause we know what this team and what our driver is made of......so we know that nothing is impossible.

If you don't want to take part in our hopes, then thats fine..........but don't trash us for believing, thats just uncalled for and not wanted around here......

if you can have your post and not take jabs at us in our thread........then fine, have it, but the jabs at those of us that choose to believe need to be left out.

exactly Amber

Have RESPECT for our opinion, I don't understand why us statiscally/numbers thinking people are any less of a fan, I resent that it's not like I'm/even the starter of this post is sitting hoping he's not gonna make it.

I don't by any means think it makes anyone less of a fan.......

there is however at least one person in this thread that I feel has stepped over the boundary of respect. There is no need to jab at those of us that do choose to have a little faith in our driver. There have been a few comments I have felt and a few others from some messages I've gotten have felt that weren't needed and I think if you read all the messages here you'll see which ones

If I had a problem and didn't respect the right for everyone to have their opinion about it then this thread wouldn't even be here.......

but as far as I'm concerned it can be here, as long as people can keep it about stating their belief, not attacking someone elses

I didn't see anyone attacking anyone here.

Amber, I agree with you 100%.

Do I want Kasey to make it? Abso-freaking-lutely.

Do I think he can? It's going to be tough...he's going to have to almost perfect and someone else is going to have to falter.

Does that make me any less of a fan? Nah, because I was at this same point with Jeff last year....and we all know how much I love him. :)

doesn't anyone remember when Jeremy got in on the last race before the chase? I remember. and I believe that is possible!

So stop fighting. Who cares that we think different. Stop making it obvious and trying to cause drama. We already know has faith and who doesn't. NO ONE CARES ANYMORE IF YOU DON'T BELIEVE IN KASEY! thanks.

You know, no one had made this personal, it all seemed pretty civil, until you said that.

Who are you to judge whether someone is a fan or not, or how big of a fan they are? You're not in that position. Have any of us ever said that we don't want Kasey to? No. You're misreading what we've said. We just think that the obstacle might be too large. Are we entitled to think that? Yes.

Some of us just see things from a completely different perspective. I know for me, it's easier to be prepared for the letdown if it does happen.

But of course, it's okay for Alina to attack people, accuse them of not being a fan, because she's a mod. :bs

Quit it already with the passive aggressive playing. Go straight to the person you have a beef with in this thread instead of playing these little 5th grade mind games.

That may be. However, I find it a double standard to see people coming into this thread to take the negativity elsewhere but what are they bringing? Yep. Negativity in the form of attacking someone else for their opinion.

There was no need for this to get ugly. People were expressing themselves. The believers have their threads. The hmm realists for lack of better word have this one.

I know from experience what it's like to have your driver on the bubble of making the chase. However, like someone said - there's a difference between 90 points and only 11. And while (we did the math at work today) there is pretty much only a 7 point difference between 8th and 10th and about 35 I think it was between 7th and 10th, there's still got to be something that goes wrong with Stewart, Martin, etc. Although, with the way Mark's been running - it just may be possible.

But that's banking on other's misfortune.

...I should have never opened my mouth and stated my opinion if I'm going to get blasted for it...

Screw this.

I've dealt with too much b.s. this weekend. I'm at my breaking point.

Unfortunately, that's how this board is. Regardless of opinion, everyone gets blasted for it instead of respected. That much hasn't changed.

See below. :)

Your opinion was little more than a personal attack. You don't see me saying "Geez, they're all idiots for thinking Kasey can make it." If you do, then you're magic and can read things that aren't there.

I'm sorry you had a terrible weekend. Instead of taking it all out on people you don't even know, try getting help.

you would have never gotten blasted, if you didn't call out our belief as fans, that's never what this thread was about, but it was taken there

Good grief.

Can't you people stop for 2 seconds? Perhaps next time, take a deep breath and leave the thread for awhile if you can't say a thing that's not at the very least, respectful.

Say it with me...

Ohmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm.

That's right.

Ohhhhhhhhhhhmmmmmmmmmmmm.

Actually, you'd be surprised at how calm you feel after a minute of that. *scratches head*

:drunksing

i thought this was a kasey kahne board?.... :unsure:

Yes most of the posts have been about Kasey in this thread.

*looks at title of post and stuff that was said*

Uh, it is. This thread is about Kasey. However, as most all other topics around here go, it went off topic and to attacking. *shrug*

I need you to come to NC and repeat that to the 3 people I work with, LOL

and last time I looked......yup, it was Kasey board, still is unless I decide to change it and well I think that would take an awful lot for that to happen :)

NC = BAD. BAD. BAD. BAD. There'd be no telling what I'd do let loose in Mooresville.

omg are you kidding me? did we really need another one of these threads? :huh: