Title: Mystery Aircraft Twelve (We Have A Winner)
Description: identify it.
alvinonline - January 9, 2005 02:33 AM (GMT)
First person to post here with correct identification of this aircraft, wins the "boobie" prize. Ten points added to their forum member post count and the win will be shown in their member rank/status till the next contest winner.
Mystery Aircraft Picture will be posted here Sunday (01/09/04) night at 8:30 PM Central Time (US & Canada), Mexico City.
OK...I have the picture all ready to go and my finger on the mouse button. It will appear at 8:30 PM sharp.
Osirus711 - January 9, 2005 03:20 PM (GMT)
Wait ...I know this one, it's the new invisible stealth!
alvinonline - January 10, 2005 02:32 AM (GMT)
OK Andrew, I saw you sitting there waiting for the picture.
You were only one, so you have a head start. :lol:
David - January 10, 2005 04:34 AM (GMT)
Did this thing take off from water???
Dosent like like it went far if it did
alvinonline - January 10, 2005 05:46 AM (GMT)
| QUOTE (David @ Jan 9 2005, 10:34 PM) |
Did this thing take off from water??? Dosent like like it went far if it did |
HAHA
Asking for a hint already. :hysterical:
I knew this one would be a tuffie. :yes:
Chazon - January 10, 2005 05:03 PM (GMT)
Alvin,
Would that be the Wright Brother's 1913 Model CH ? Their first attempt at a Hydroplane?
alvinonline - January 10, 2005 06:40 PM (GMT)
| QUOTE (Chazon @ Jan 10 2005, 11:03 AM) |
Alvin,
Would that be the Wright Brother's 1913 Model CH ? Their first attempt at a Hydroplane? |
Chazon,
Good try, but nope, that is not the one. :no:
TONY F - January 10, 2005 07:02 PM (GMT)
Hey,Alvin is it a curtiss Hydroplane,water flying machine
alvinonline - January 10, 2005 07:30 PM (GMT)
| QUOTE (TONY F @ Jan 10 2005, 01:02 PM) |
| Hey,Alvin is it a curtiss Hydroplane,water flying machine |
Hi Tony,
Nope, not the one. :no:
This one is probably too old an airplane for Uncle Lloyd to have ever flown in. :unsure:
Gonna be a hard un, huh. :D
Davzo - January 11, 2005 02:46 AM (GMT)
I'll take a shot at it... Canard (Hydravion)
alvinonline - January 11, 2005 03:32 AM (GMT)
| QUOTE (Davzo @ Jan 10 2005, 08:46 PM) |
| I'll take a shot at it... Canard (Hydravion) |
David, That shot back-fired and missed the mark by a mile. ;)
Nope, not it. :no:
OBTW - I like your new neat Avatar.
Davzo - January 11, 2005 03:52 AM (GMT)
:( I'm going to try it again, Canoe :huh:
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Man...You are really reaching now. :hysterical:
A canoe with wings on it maybe.
That guess does not even get a reply, just an edit. :P
Still a neat Avatar though.
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Don Koval - January 11, 2005 06:55 AM (GMT)
Looks like a cheap Russion knockoff of a U.S.Catalyna PBY :o
Don
waynemiller - January 11, 2005 05:43 PM (GMT)
Alvin,
Mystery aircraft twelve is very, very old and can't be
anything else but the "Flying Canal Boat" by Leonardo da Vinci.
Seriously, you have picked a really difficult one this time.
Wayne
Chazon - January 11, 2005 06:21 PM (GMT)
Good one indeed Alvin!
I'm really really stumped. It reminds me a little of the Gibson twin plane- but as a twin biplane? Very interesting indeed!
alvinonline - January 11, 2005 07:41 PM (GMT)
Great to see that I finally found another Mystery Aircraft picture to keep you guys stumped for a day or two or three.
This one was sort of famous in it's day, more for what it was going to do than what it ever did. It was a big one at that time in aviation history.
That was a sort of convoluted hint. ;)
alvinonline - January 12, 2005 05:17 AM (GMT)
OK...Some of yall been saying that you need a little more help with figureing out what the devil this airplane is.
Here are some more pictures related to the mystery aircraft.
Ought to be easy now.

alvinonline - January 13, 2005 05:40 AM (GMT)
Hey Guys...It has been over twenty four hours since I posted those last three pictures and not so much as a "How Do You Do" or even a wild guess. :(
Should have been a dead give away.
In case not...Here is a little better picture. This one will have to do the trick because it is the clearest one I could find. :hmm:
David - January 13, 2005 05:27 PM (GMT)
Can you tell us what country the photos were taken in?
alvinonline - January 13, 2005 10:26 PM (GMT)
| QUOTE (David @ Jan 13 2005, 11:27 AM) |
| Can you tell us what country the photos were taken in? |
Knowing the country the airplane was built in and picture taken, as for as what I think, probably not even of this planet. ;) They even eat snails and invented "Can-O-Peas" snacks served on little crackers and some kind of bubbly wine called "Shampain" I think
Some more clues will be forthcoming soon.
Ya'll really should be able to ID this thing with the pictures.
Don't you think? :unsure:
David - January 14, 2005 03:36 AM (GMT)
Don't give up on us yet. A couple of us are getting close.
alvinonline - January 14, 2005 05:41 AM (GMT)
| QUOTE (David @ Jan 13 2005, 09:36 PM) |
| Don't give up on us yet. A couple of us are getting close. |
I don't know...I am starting to loose confidence in yawl's mystery airplane IDing skills.
Looks like everyone is pretty well stumped on this one. :(
The last picture I have of the airplane (?) and some text information/clues/hints will be posted here shortly.
This seems to have been a particularly hard one to guess, so in order to reactivate everyone's investigative juices, the post count award for guessing aircraft is
increased to 15 big points. :yes:
OK, here are all the clues I have left. Good Luck.Following text describing mechanics and flight tests of Mystery Aircraft. (sort of strange reading because of language translation by Bable Fish online translator, but one gets the general flavor of a not so successfull airplane design)
| QUOTE |
The first marine tests take place on the giant seaplane xxxxxxx is propelled by two 6-cyl Chenu AH-6 of 210 CH (engine intended for the airships) coupled in the same casing. This power plant of 42,4 liters total cubic capacity weighing 600 kg actuates a two-bladed propeller Chauvière 4,40 m in diameter by a chain. The unit, engines, radiators, chains, propeller, weigh 1 100 kg, that is to say one the third of the total weight of the machine.
To cross the Atlantic? To carry to the enemy a ton of bombs? Actually, during the summer 1913, the xxxxxxx apparatus just succeeds in leaving the surface of water and accomplishing a flight at low altitude of three kilometers towards xxxxx.
The machine is modified so as to get better qualities of flight to him. Because, if the monster is stable - and xxxxxx does not want any to test its qualities of flight by lifting figures - it is puffing (maximum speed estimated at 100 km/h) and seems not to be able to rise in the airs. When it is posed on water, it is inserted dangerously. During an sea landing at high speed, the hull is torn off wing and the monster turns over end. In same time, the engine output is carried to 460 CH and the diameter of the propeller reaches 5 meters! There still, the mode of output engine is incompatible with the output of the enormous propeller. The apparatus must carry 3 500 liters of gasoline and 280 liters of oil, in order to operate about fifteen hours, is on nearly 1 500 km. In spite of the hopes placed in its machine, xxxxxx gives up the Atlantic, marine qualities of its hull not allowing that calm water takeoffs. Finally, the apparatus is not even presented at the contest of air Safety disputed on May 25, 1914.
Giant seaplane xxxxxxxxxx 1913 1914 sound-xxxxxx 1913 1914 Tare weights 3,5 tons 4,7 tons Masses in load 5,0 tons 6,7 tons Airfoil 120 m 2 145 m 2 Scale 24 meters 27 meters Length 12 meters 12 meters Coque (dimensions) 7,50 m 8,60 m Moteur Two Chenu AH6 of 200 CH coupled actuating a two-bladed propeller Chauvière of 4,40 m Two Chenu AH6 of 230 CH coupled actuating a two-bladed propeller Chauvière of 5,0 m. |
David - January 14, 2005 08:42 AM (GMT)
How about
***The Jeanson-Colliex seaplane***
Yes a Jeanson-Colliex seaplane
The hull of Jeanson-Colliex was manufactured by the Despujols building sites.
The giant seaplane Jeanson-Colliex in 1913 before its tests on the Seine. (municipal Files of the Triel-on-Seine).
Information on the motor
V8 Clement-Bayard 200 CH conceived by Pierre Clerget in 1911 and used on the Close giant seaplane "Icare". At the time, rare are the engines whose poids/puissance report/ratio is equal to the unit. The first was the 14-cyl gnome of 100 CH. Clerget 200 CH was the second. (Stereotype M-H Clerget).
The machine carries out its first rollings with Issyles-Moulineaux November 1912, controlled by Paul Rugère, then accomplishes its first flight on November 23 before being modified in factory in Voisin with Billancourt. The train is removed (what saves 250 kg), of the reinforcements are added between the wings and the hull and the lower wing are increased and provided with ailerons like the higher plan so as to increase the announced capacities of carrying, a ton. The first marine tests take place on the Seine with Billancourt (the Top-of-Seine) in April 1913. Thereafter, its marine performances and its qualities of flight being considered to be not very satisfactory, the "aéro-yacht" Deutsch of Meurthe is given up by its patron and his manufacturer Gabriel Voisin, the performances of the recent seaplanes having done one
With the end of the year 1912, the Lioré workshops and Olivier de Levallois build the double pair of wings of the giant seaplane drawn by engineer Maurice Jeanson on behalf of the staff of the Army and partly financed by the Aero club of France. The only airframe manufacturer which could have carried out an aerofoil of 24 m scale is Gabriel Voisin, but this last is inalienable: it prepares a competitor project. Drawn by the naval Robert Duhamel, hull, broad and long engineer 2,60 7,50 m m is realized in the island of the Bowl (the Top-of-Seine) by the building sites with boats of Victor Despujols. It can transport eight men of crew. Assembled at the end of spring 1913 in the Triel-on-Seine (Yvelines), this monster of almost four tons with vacuum and to seven tons in load, the largest apparatus ever built in Europe occidentale1, accomplishes its first flight, controlled by Maurice Colliex, May 21, 1913 on the Seine, on the water level of Meulan (Yvelines). The giant seaplane Jeanson-Colliex is propelled by two 6-cyl Chenu AH-6 of 210 CH (engine intended for the airships) coupled in the same casing. This power plant of 42,4 liters total cubic capacity weighing 600 kg actuates a two-bladed propeller Chauvière 4,40 m in diameter by a chain. The unit, engines, radiators, chains, propeller, weigh 1 100 kg, that is to say one the third of
David - January 14, 2005 08:52 AM (GMT)
MAURICE COLLIEX is the name of the man in the pic... :D
The vast Jeanson-Colliex seaplane with which Colliex fully intended to try crossing the Atlantic, had not War intervened
alvinonline - January 14, 2005 03:56 PM (GMT)
OK David, you knew all along and just held back till I boosted the prize points, huh.
You must have found that only PDF file on the net with that rare aircraft information.
We Have a Winner!!It is indeed a
Jeanson-Colliex Seaplane.
Congratulations
David, you have won the "boopie" prize

for winning the "Mystery Aircraft Twelve" contest.
David receives
fifteen points added to his forum post count total and his
member rank/status will reflect his win till we have another new contest winner.
David - January 14, 2005 04:04 PM (GMT)
Yes there is only one PDF file and it is not in english..... :o
I have to say you found a very hard one. I dont even know how you came up with that.
alvinonline - January 14, 2005 08:23 PM (GMT)
| QUOTE (David @ Jan 14 2005, 10:04 AM) |
Yes there is only one PDF file and it is not in english..... :o I have to say you found a very hard one. I dont even know how you came up with that. |
Yeah...Well...Wait till you see the next one. :yes:
We are through with Mystery Aircraft 101 class and will be moving on up to advanced IDing classes next semester. :lol:
David - January 14, 2005 08:40 PM (GMT)
Well the members of MARCMAF will be ready for you.