Tony,
I think the first order of business should be people using old batteries without cycling them first.....


;)

Oh Oh...Who got caught with their britches down :fullmoon: on that one.

Did I miss a crash somehere? :(

Some people just don't get it when a plane thats about 4lb's going about 80mph, What type of damage it can do to something or someone!!!!

Maybe we need to keep a log of who is crashing and why they did........That log may get pretty interesting. :plane_crash:

Hmmmmmmmmmmm!!!!!! A Log For Crashing :huh: Better get a big book ;)

lol, We got lucky on that one Alvin. It's when we flew Tony's T6 texan and the battery went dead. It flew for awhile with us panicing then came over and landed nice as ever ;)

EW!!!! A really big book!!! All you need is a couple of mulitiple choice reasons for the crash though.

A. Interference

B. Not enough rubber bands on the wing

C. Wing spar, what wing spar?

D. That's what those extra holes on the side of the servo is for...

E. But all of the surfaces were going the right direction before I took off

F. CG, what's that?

G. Instructor, don't need an instructor to fly a stinkin model airplane!!!!

H. FLUTTER!!!

:huh:

I am so proud of the ACMA model flying club. :yes:
I had read this subject this morning, about a crash log book being needed at the flying field to keep a record of all crashes for compiling a crash data base.
Then I visited the field this afternoon and noticed the crash log book idea had already been implemented. Good fast work. Congratulations!!

Not too sure as to why there are two different crash log books :unsure: , but since I am not a member and just a visitor, thought it best not to ask.

Took this snapshot to show everyone just what a smooth and efficient operation they have going at Irvington Field.



All hades breaks loose when I am not on duty. Corrective censoring has been done to above picture to protect the innocent.

And of all people to make the first log.....the safety officer....hehe!!! :plane_crash: :3dCrash:

Hello Alan,

Glade you were able to join us today. I'm not sure if we've met, I just happen to be the VP/Safety Officer my name now appears on the top line of the ACMA CRASH LOG. (There's a first time for everything) I Think my servo might have came lose,are did some one turn on, Well As for Fritz's...his own personal log book is quiet large, he has had many crashes through out the years. If you come out again look me up and I'll fix you up with some good eats like salsa, chicken, etc.

P.S.
Did I mention he is one of the ACMA club instructors :bigplane: P,S Again almost forgot about Tim He is the poor guy i almost took out. soory Tim LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!

You know...Electrics are just not for everybody. ;)

If you can't fly with "finesse", you need to fly with power. :yes:

OBTW - I wondered what the "buzz" and camera activity was over around the bulletin board at field.
Now I know, the crash log book/s. :roflmao:

I'm so glad you are proud of our club, "Alan Andrews" (I doubt that's your real name). I see that you cowardly posted as an unregistered guest. How convenient! Do you even fly yourself? You probably do and are someone we all know, because a new visitor to our field would not know or care about a "crash log."

I would normally have a hearty laugh about these posts, or fire back some funny reply in return. But because this was posted here in front of God and everybody and the world (i. e., "the Internet") I feel I should reply in a more appropriate way. Sort of retaliation against this unexpected — and totally undeserved — sneak attack... (Can you say" defamation of character"? Look it up...)

"Alan" (if indeed that is your name), your posted comments contain no typos or grammatical errors, so I know that most of the regular visitors or contributors to this Forum are not the culprit... I have seen some of yawl’s English, and it sucks... I do have an idea who "Alan Andrews" is, but I will not say, just in case I'm wrong...
In all my writings — and I do more than a fair share of it in my "From the Pits" report or my newsletters — I'm very careful as to not say things I will later be sorry for. Even when provoked. And especially on the Internet. (I'm just considerate that way...)

It's true. You are right! I admit it! My crash log would be quite lengthy! After all, I have been flying these toy airplanes for 18 years or so. After becoming an ACMA instructor 6 months after learning to solo on my 11th flight, I have flown and test-flown many airplanes. And crashed them, too. After all, the more you fly, the more you crash. It's a fact of life! It has something to do with the law of probabilities. Look it up...
Heck, two years ago, while driving home one weekend, I recalled and counted TEN airplanes I had flown, and NONE of them had been mine! And no, they weren't all trainers either, and no, I didn't crash any of them...
I was asked once in the HobbyTown store how many of the types of planes on the shelves I had actually flown. Well, I pointed them out, and I think it amounted to about 80% of them. And no, I haven't crashed most of them...

People who are NOT very observant and who have a mean streak in their body usually only remember and talk about the bad stuff (my crashes) and don't notice or appreciate the good stuff (my much more numerous good flights and the many dozens of people I have successfully instructed). Sometimes I even hear snide remarks about my ex-students (are you listening, David?) Frankly, I take no responsibility for what people do after I cut the cord (the buddy cord, that is)...

I say, let's have a log for those of you perfect pilots who have never crashed or done anything stupid with an RC aircraft. Now remember: Flying only ovals or circles without doing any maneuvers doesn't count! Any of my 10-year old students is able to do that after only three flights! Some of you fly like that all your life, and you call that fun. Oooo—kay!...
And do not forget about those crashes that are caused by "people turning on your channel" or by those mysterious extraneous electronic glitches that some of you self-appointed hotshot pilots always blame after a crash. As many times as I have crashed over the years, I actually never have experienced either one of those! ALL my crashes were either caused by mechanical failures ... or ... by ME!

This new "Never Crashed" log I am proposing shouldn't take up a whole page... Actually, a small piece of scrap paper would probably do...

:roflmao:

I am with you, Frits. :yes:

Those who never fly never crash and you have done a lot of flying over the years with an appropriate percentage of mishaps. ;)

As co-admin, I have taken stern measures against this Alan Andrews.
I tracked him down by running a "trace route" on his IP and he is just one state removed from Bama.

I put him on "mod-queue" for several months so that any of his future posts will have to be approved by me before they become visible on forum.

We will fix his little wagon. :ouch:
Bet he will not show his face around here for quite awhile.

Thank you, Nivla (if, in fact, this is your real name...) ;)

I have been thinking, brooding and drinking about these past few posts, and I have a suggestion for that Crash Log. "Frits Crash Log" that is... (BTW — Shouldn't that be Frits' Crash Log? I know — I just can't help it...)

Considering all those crashes I have had... If I log all of them, I'm afraid they wouldn't fit on that small note pad shown in that photo taken at the field. So I have decided that I will log all my crashes going back 18 years or so, and create a database on my new computer (it has sufficient RAM and a 160GB hard disk.) Then, I will add any pictures of my crashes as added interest. (There are many among the 15,000 pictures I have taken over the years)...

Give me a few minutes. It should take me that long to learn how to use my new iDVD authoring application to design, burn and label my own DVDs (after all, this is an iMac G5)... :lol:

I will soon be prepared to offer a 3-DVD set of all my crashes, properly documented, logged, annotated with narration (lip-synched in my own voice), AND with pictures AND soothing background music for the paltry sum of $49.99. (Come to think of it, this may turn into a 4-DVD set, and in that case I'll throw in the additional DVD for just $9.99.

Now taking advanced orders and cash (only)...


:roflmao: :lol: :roflmao: :lol: :roflmao: :lol:

Throw in a bottle of vodka and I will take the whole set :) :dance:
P.S. My music preference: Bluegrass (singer Bill Monroe) :biggrin:

Don

I think they're just giving you a hard time Frits. Anyone that's flown very long could probably fill a couple of log books with just dumb thumb mistakes....

You are right fritz it is not nice to judge someone without knowing all the facts or who they are.
Funny how Some people never admit that they too have made the same mistakes.

Well, you are right, Jon. I forgot about them... :hmm:

Okay then, a 5-DVD set it will be. Add another $9.99...

Also availabe, suitable for coffee table display, a deluxe version (bound in thick armadillo skin by rural Alabama natives): $99.99.

:D

If nobody crashed, this hobby would get boring fast!! Why do you thing NASCAR is so popular? Every airplane flying out there has got an expiration date on it. If you make 50 flights on an airplane and don't crash it then,
1 - You are very, very lucky
2 - You are very, very conservative (boring)
3 - You are lying

There is nothing wrong with just going "round and round" as Frits stated, just don't be critical of people who try to advance their skills. If you stop and watch some of the pilots we have, and say, "wow I wish I could do that", don't think they learned how to do all those things without alot of crashes.

Now, since this is the safety forum, there are crashes and, there are crashes!!

Crashes East of pilots pads... OK
Crashes West of runway....Not OK
Crashes outside of ACMA perimeter ...Not OK
Crashes in the Pit area...Not OK
Crashes I don't get to see...Not OK

Just my :twocents: :twocents: :twocents: :twocents:

Yes, Billy, I have done them all...

You could break a couple of those down into the following more specific crashes.

Crashes in the parking lot... (seen several)
Crashes into fences... (seen a couple)

And unfortunately I have also had experience with all of the below dishonorable mentions:

Crashes into the pavilion roof... (once, at the old field)
Crashes into Half Mile Road... (once)
Crashes into the wind sock pole... (once)
Crashes into the high-voltage power lines... (once)
Crashes into trees... (three)
Crashes into other planes in midair... (fourteen)

Ah, those painful memories! :(

Such an exciting and fun hobby! :) :D :lol:

:roflmao:

Hey, you could probably put it out for the mac also and charge an extra $20 ;) Of course, you'd be the only one to get it, lol. :D

Nah, not needed, even though Mac users are used to paying a bit more... :no:

Macs have always been able to read and format floppies in Windows or Mac format (since 1983), and the CDs and DVDs that they burn nowadays are fully compatible with yawl's bigger Windows world. :lol:

I only want the 4-DVD set and the vodka :)

Darn :angry: We missed the start of the 2005 log :o
Friday Dec 31----One crash each for me and my team :huh:

I wasn't there on Friday.
What happened to you and your team? :huh:

Yes Frits, that is why I always enjoy watching you fly. Successfull, as well as, not so successfull flights. To bad Al Ayler is not on this forum!!

Now you are rubbing salt into the open wounds, Billy... :crying:

If Al were on this forum, at least I could talk about him and you guys could take the heat off of me some... :biggrin:

I wish our new Safety Officer would put some safety stuff on us... :rolleyes:

I'm open to suggestions...

I know he knows something about dive-bombing his fellow pilots... :lol:

As far as safety goes. I come by and fly alot in the week. Sometimes i am the only one there. I was just wondering was there any rules against being by your self in case anything happend. Never been told i couldnt but have been to a place in MS were that was the rule.

Hey David,
If you are at field/flying by your lonesome, just don't get snakebite anywhere you can't suck the venom out yourself. :fullmoon:

If you are at field/flying when others are there, don't get snakebite anywhere that the other people might not want to suck the venom. :sick:

Other than that, is best if you have company, but no rule against flying by yourself at Irvington Field.

The place you talk about in MS, they had an almost fatal accident by someone there all alone and big prop bit him hard in A$$ area and he just about bled to death before he finally got help. He was not using an aircraft restraining device as we do have that rule and it a good idea.
I think that is probably the place/incident that led to that rule. :unsure:

I don't think we need such a rule although I can see it's merits.
We do things non-rc related all the time that would be more safe if someone else was around.

Yes i was thinking it was ok just wanted to ask to be sure.
Hope i dont ever have to suck the venom out..... :lol:

Yes props are something i am still scared about. i Always take things slow to stay out of the way of it. Even my electric planes will bite you...i found out a while back. Not because i wanted to... :huh:

I have used the aircraft restraining devices at the field. Is there anywhere i could buy my own or who makes them? I see where i could use if i go fly somewhere else

Come to think about it, it has been a little boring since AL hasn't been around.....


B)

[QUOTE=fritsrc,Jan 3 2005, 02:34 PM]I wasn't there on Friday.
What happened to you and your team?

We had a hard day :o
I crashed the Tiger Moth. Lost it in the wind (Really) Broken wing I can fix it :)

Team member #2 Crashed the plane that used to be a trainer. (Loss of orientation) Total Loss. You know it is bad when I can't fix it.

Team member #3 Crashed the Bulsa Nova. Forgot to change the radio to the proper plane. Damage to Ft of fuselage and landing gear. I can fix it.

Well ka-ka Happens, We had a good time just the same,we did a lot of flying,four gal of fuel in two days :)

Hmmmmm We are down from eleven to ten planes :thumbdown: Where is that order book :biggrin:

David mentioned:

David, if you are handy, you could make your own out of wood or metal or both. Club member Don Koval makes some excellent restaining devices. Contact him. (At least I hope he still does.)

Alvin said:

The one Alvin refers to was a very bad incident that happened at the Ocean Springs KAMS flying field last year, I believe. The guy was by himself, started the engine and then got jumped by his 40% 3D plane. The same size as the one like Wes Batson flies. He got sliced up pretty badly...

Our ACMA club rule no. 8 states:
All model aircraft shall be started with someone other than the pilot holding the plane, or with the use of a passive restraint. The restraining device shall be sturdy enough to restrain the aircraft at full throttle. (Mar. '98.)

Notice that it says "OR". So a passive restraining device is not a REQUIREMENT, but a recommendation. Obviously, when you fly by yourself, you should have that restraining device...

This rule came into effect in March 1998, after a member had a very small, nitro-powered plane (only a .20-size) jump into his crotch while trying to start it. The prop sliced his blue jeans and inner thigh close to his artery, but it thankfully did not cut it or the nearby important male appendage we men love so dearly...

The guy was all by himself and he bled like a stuck pig. He wrapped himself in a towel, packed up his stuff and headed for the Knollwood hospital emergency room in Tillman's Corner. That's where they told him he was not cut badly enough to suture him up, so they used thin CA to close the wound and put a spider bandage on it (really!). He was okay after that.

A day or so later I talked to him and I mentioned that I thought that he had one of those mechanical restaining devices (a nice and sturdy one made of stainless steel). He answered (a bit sheepishly): "Yes, I do... It was in the trunk of my car... I was being stupid..."

Perhaps we can all learn from this... :yes:
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I agree If you don't fly, you dont crash! I can honestly say that out of my 14 planes only 2 have not met with the ground, trees, signs, or big light poles on at LEAST one if not multiple occasions. The remaining two I have only been flying for a couple of months, but I have high hopes I will be able to achieve the same record with them as well! ;)

That's the spirit, Osirus!

Or you could just not fly them at all like some people do, and then you won't crash them as much! :lol:

It's like the F-16 ducted fan jet I have had for nine years. I have NEVER, EVER crashed it!
(But then, I've never flown it either...) :biggrin:

Hey Tony no problem. At least it was just a lite electric plane! :P Don't worry though as next weekend I will be prepared... My kids gave me a flying hard hat for Christmas. Darn thing has a bulls eye right on the forehead though. Wonder what they might be thinking? :roflmao:

As far as not using restraints...let the starter beware....I don't like legislating common sense. You have to weed out the gene pool somehow :D . But, if you want to keep your personal parts intact there are plenty restraints out there. Don Koval makes a nice one. You can also use a piece of rope and a large screwdriver.

Or you could just not fly........ B)

i think every one should use duracell.