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Title: All About Masilya/Putty/Polyester Fillers
Description: Which brand is the best to use?


cjec21 - January 2, 2006 08:12 AM (GMT)
ei guys...I'm currently on the process of applying masilya on the armor and sword...I'm wondering what brand of putty would be best to use...I'm using Welcoat White Glazing Putty right now and it dries kinda slow...

I read in Polidread's tutorial(the Kamen Rider helmet) that he uses one kind that has a catalyst...Is it the brand Polituff? It's so expensive!!!! Please help me...:)

windracer - January 2, 2006 08:20 AM (GMT)
Ako naman, Boysen yung ginamit ko...at matagal...din syang matuyo. Sinuggest sya ng pinsan ko.

At may natutunan akong bago...never put masilya directly on clay. :rofl:

eva_guy01 - January 2, 2006 09:23 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (windracer @ Jan 2 2006, 04:20 PM)
Ako naman, Boysen yung ginamit ko...at matagal...din syang matuyo. Sinuggest sya ng pinsan ko.

At may natutunan akong bago...never put masilya directly on clay. :rofl:

Yeah i think its called Boysen 100% Acrylic Masonry Putty #7311

A ready-mixed water-borne acrylic based masonry putty. Application is intended for puttying hairline cracks and minor surface imperfections. It is easy to apply and provides excellent sanding property.
Boysen Masonry Putty is the best putty material intended for latex paint application. It serves to correct and fill-up minor surface defects. Packaged as a ready-mixed system, it saves the user valuable time and effort in preparing the usual job-site mixed putty.
Best applied over new and previously painted interior masonry and fiber cement boards. (http://www.boysen.com.ph/ourproducts.shtml)

Or maybe Famowood Professional Wood Filler
(Click for more info)

Im not sure how "fast acting" you want it but to my experience it takes more than 2 hours to harden.

polidread - January 3, 2006 05:19 AM (GMT)
Yes

Polituff, like most other polymer resin filling materials does have a catalyst (its the most accessible brand of Masilya, ask your local jeepney talyer about it :P ), and yes, it is expensive.

ive used the masonry masilya for my house painting...it's white stuff, and as i remember, its not as hard as the pink ones (example: polituff, and the other better known masilya brands), may even crumble if used primarily on its own without proper surface finishing (like paint primer and correct paint-type , as EvaGuy said, it is best used for latex paint...)

cjec21 - January 3, 2006 10:27 AM (GMT)
ok...I'll try to find the wood filler type...But everytime I ask hardware stores, they give me glazing putty...I don't know where to find that wood putty...Are there any stores in QC or Marikina? I live kc in Anonas...Thanx..:)

windracer - January 3, 2006 10:36 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (eva_guy01 @ Jan 2 2006, 05:23 PM)
Im not sure how "fast acting" you want it but to my experience it takes more than 2 hours to harden.

Sabi na nga ba, may mali sa ginawa ko...

After 3 days, meron paring malambot na part sa kanya. Or maybe masyado sigurong makapal yung nilagay ko. <_< (Or baka di ko rin nahalo ng maayos)

Question: can I apply the masilya directly on paper mache? Or may kelangan pa po munang ilagay na iba?

Ayoko na kasi magkamali. Haha. Gusto ko na matapos yung helmet. :rofl:

eva_guy01 - January 4, 2006 04:00 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (windracer @ Jan 3 2006, 06:36 PM)
QUOTE (eva_guy01 @ Jan 2 2006, 05:23 PM)
Im not sure how "fast acting" you want it but to my experience it takes more than 2 hours to harden.

Sabi na nga ba, may mali sa ginawa ko...

After 3 days, meron paring malambot na part sa kanya. Or maybe masyado sigurong makapal yung nilagay ko. <_< (Or baka di ko rin nahalo ng maayos)

Question: can I apply the masilya directly on paper mache? Or may kelangan pa po munang ilagay na iba?

Ayoko na kasi magkamali. Haha. Gusto ko na matapos yung helmet. :rofl:

Be sure it has a layer of latex paint on it if you are using the boysen putty. I think polituff can stick anywhere but ask Polidread if it does because he uses it.

cjec21 - January 4, 2006 07:59 AM (GMT)
oh, so I really hav to apply latex paint over my paper mache in order for putty to stick better to it? I've already applied masilya to both sides of the gunblade sword w/o latex paint...It's kinda soft but you can sand it...

I don't want to screw up the armor as well...In the meanwhile, I can use some advice on crafting the Swallow for my Chrono Cross cosplay...:D

windracer - January 4, 2006 09:38 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (cjec21 @ Jan 4 2006, 03:59 PM)
oh, so I really hav to apply latex paint over my paper mache in order for putty to stick better to it? I've already applied masilya to both sides of the gunblade sword w/o latex paint...It's kinda soft but you can sand it...

It's the same thing with my helmet. I have to really be careful in sanding it, else, baka mag-iba yung shape. <_<

cjec21 - January 4, 2006 12:19 PM (GMT)
@windracer:

Can I ask what helmet are you making? I was wondering if u can give me some tips in making a sturdier version of the Galbadian soldier helmet...

The helmet picture is the one worn by the guy in my signature...Thanx!!!:) :bow:

windracer - January 5, 2006 10:10 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (cjec21 @ Jan 4 2006, 08:19 PM)
@windracer:

Can I ask what helmet are you making? I was wondering if u can give me some tips in making a sturdier version of the Galbadian soldier helmet...

The helmet picture is the one worn by the guy in my signature...Thanx!!!:) :bow:

Yung helmet po ni Kira Yamato of Gundam Seed.

I used paper mache and clay (a kid hardhat for the mold) para sa shape, then masilya for the finishing.

Sinundan ko lang yung helmet-making tips sa Armors section. ^^

Kaso, nagkamali ako. Nalagay ko directly yung masilya on clay. :rofl:

cjec21 - January 5, 2006 11:37 AM (GMT)
@windracer:

Thanx!! If you have pictures of your work, can you please post it? Pra lang po me example...I made mine kc purely out of paper mache...
:D :P :unsure:

windracer - January 6, 2006 09:13 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (cjec21 @ Jan 5 2006, 07:37 PM)
@windracer:

Thanx!! If you have pictures of your work, can you please post it? Pra lang po me example...I made mine kc purely out of paper mache...
:D :P :unsure:

I'll post it as soon as tumigas na ulit yung clay...XD

cjec21 - January 7, 2006 03:52 PM (GMT)
Nglagay me ng Boysen Quick-Drying Enamel na Green s mga parts ng sword n wla pang masilya...If ever I want to use Plaster of Paris on my weapons, ok lng b sha kng papatugan k ng masilya?

Nga pla po, patulong lng po s mga pics...Mdyo po nahihirapan me mkakita ng refernce pic pra s Mastermune ni Serge...Please help me...:)


Fallˇng Darkness - January 9, 2006 06:24 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (cjec21 @ Jan 7 2006, 11:52 PM)
If ever I want to use Plaster of Paris on my weapons, ok lng b sha kng papatugan k ng masilya?

patungan mo muna ng mache para safe. baka mabasag yung plaster pag wala.

cjec21 - January 10, 2006 01:00 AM (GMT)
@Falling Darkness:

Thanx po for the advice!! Bka po kc mag-post me ng sketch ng Mastermune(Serge's weapon in Chrono Cross) coz I need some help regarding the handle and some parts of it...:)

windracer - February 19, 2006 05:51 PM (GMT)
Question:
What kind of paint should I use to give a metallic finish to masilya? Kahit di po makintab, basta magmukha lang metal. (I can't use spray paints, di po kasi ako marunong. ^^;;)

Plano ko po kasing i-masilya yung sword at shield na gagawin ko para mas matigas. Kaso mabigat ata. >.<

oracle - February 19, 2006 06:33 PM (GMT)
poster paint...ung reeves or sakura brand :D

Dati un gnagamit ko sa TDA 101 when we do props/collaterals, because spray paint tends to be sticky (nakakahigh pa = bad ). And waterproof naman ung poster paint...so ok sya xp

cjec21 - February 20, 2006 03:45 PM (GMT)
talaga bang ang masilya ay parang icing? Kasi parang ganun ung ginagamit ko ngayon sa sword e...ung Welcoat...

polidread - February 21, 2006 11:38 AM (GMT)
maputi, malambot, matamis at nilalanggam?

ang ganda naman ng masilya mo....

windracer - February 21, 2006 05:06 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (polidread @ Feb 21 2006, 07:38 PM)
maputi, malambot, matamis at nilalanggam?

ang ganda naman ng masilya mo....

Lol. Makalaglag silya yung hirit. :rofl:

Anyway...

Yung masilya ba, pwedeng i-apply sa illustration board? Or kelangan lagyan muna ng coating ng glue? ^^

cjec21 - February 22, 2006 08:56 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (polidread @ Feb 21 2006, 07:38 PM)
maputi, malambot, matamis at nilalanggam?

ang ganda naman ng masilya mo....

Nga eh... :) ...Parang tuloy ang sarap kainin nung ginagawa ko... :P

Pero seriously, maganda bang pang-coat ung ganung uri, or mas magand a ng result kung Polituff ung gagamitin ko? Or baka me iba pang brand na magandang pang-coat? :)



polidread - February 22, 2006 01:26 PM (GMT)
kapag nagba bunch up at parang icing na nilamutak yung texture nya kapag tuyo na, ibig sabihin ay naging mabagal ka yata sa pag apply ng masilya sa surface na kino cover mo. dapat mas mabilis ka para ma-pantay mo ang surface application ng kahit papaano...

i recommend na pakonti konti lang ang pag halo ng batches ng masilya para controlled mo yung dami at kapal ng ginagamit mo.

at pagkatuyo ng isang layer ay medyo liha-in mo para kuminis ng konti at mas madali pahiran ng next layer.

Pwede gamitan ng masilya ang bare illustration board. di na kailangan ng surface primer. Batsa siguraduhin na matibay ang pagkaka construct mo sa illustration board na mamasilyahin mo.

windracer - February 22, 2006 01:33 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (polidread @ Feb 22 2006, 09:26 PM)
Pwede gamitan ng masilya ang bare illustration board. di na kailangan ng surface primer. Batsa siguraduhin na matibay ang pagkaka construct mo sa illustration board na mamasilyahin mo.

Ah, salamat po. ^^

cjec21 - February 23, 2006 01:17 AM (GMT)
@Poli:

salamat din po...mukhang ganun nga ung hitsura nung texture nya nung natuyo...Bibili na lang ako ng bago tapos papaturo ako sa erpat ko... :)

windracer - February 23, 2006 02:43 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (cjec21 @ Feb 23 2006, 09:17 AM)
@Poli:

salamat din po...mukhang ganun nga ung hitsura nung texture nya nung natuyo...Bibili na lang ako ng bago tapos papaturo ako sa erpat ko... :)

Bat di na lang yung ready-mixed ang bilhin mo? ^^

cjec21 - February 23, 2006 09:43 AM (GMT)
ready-mixed? Sa kin kasi wala na yung catalyst e...Basta lagay mo lang tapos intay k ng isang buong araw bago matuyo...:)

windracer - February 23, 2006 11:20 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (cjec21 @ Feb 23 2006, 05:43 PM)
ready-mixed? Sa kin kasi wala na yung catalyst e...Basta lagay mo lang tapos intay k ng isang buong araw bago matuyo...:)

Makapal yata yung nilagay mo.

Kasi sakin, matagal inabot nung kinapalan ko. Natuto na ko, manipis na lang dapat. ^^

cjec21 - February 23, 2006 11:29 AM (GMT)
a ok...thanx!! :)




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