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Just watched this and I think it was an excellent episode. (I have a feeling a lot of you are going to disagree with this or think that I am just biast and maybe I am I dont know.)

From the begining where the crew got the sort of welcome that they should have shown us for the voyager crew to the end and T'pol's marriage I found the episode fascinating.

The character of Captain Archer has developed so much since season 1 and here he showed an obvious/normal reaction to his orders/actions being questioned. It is a shame that Bakula has finally, for me, shaken off the 'ghost' of Dr Sam Beckett not when the series is likely to finish.

We also learnt another thing about Phlox and its no wonder his would be attackers fled, I think I would.

Be the most fascinating part of the episode was seeing Vulcan for the first time in this time period and seeing T'pol put her obvious love of Trip behind her to do what was necessary for her mother.

I, for one, am looking forward to the three episode Vulcan story which happens soon.

Yes, an excellent episode which has continued an excellent begining to a series for me, I look forward with baited breath for next weeks.

(and if the ratings go down again then it proves my point that the americans dont know a good thing when its presented to them)

I haven't even d/l this one yet Ken. I'm finding it difficult to generate enthusiasm so far this season :(

becuase it is more than likely the last or because of the quality of this season?

If it is the first then I understand to a degree if it is the latter then I dont know what you are watching because I think the three episodes I have seen have all been great!!!

But Ken, you are a self-confessed Trek addict, and I think you'd love anything broadcast under the Star Trek name :)

I'm in the same boat as Angel here - after being severely underwhelmed by Storm Front, were it not for the fact I'm a completist (and it guarantees Krystal will have to send me something every few weeks :)) I'd have given up. To be frank, the forthcoming Soong arc would be so much better were it not an excuse to have Brent bloody Spiner in to try and save the ratings, and the new story Angel mentioned today frustrates me as it feely just like a copy of Journey to Babel. I like inspiration from other series; not out and out copies (and Doctor's Orders, I'm looking at you here! :))

Since there's only a season, I'll keep on going, and hope it improves, but the way things stand, Enterprise is a sorry end to the New Trek franchise.

My view is that I've been hoping that at some point Enterprise will get better, so much better that it puts Trek back on the level it occupied 5 years ago. Sadly, with this surely being the final season, and with Berman and Braga still clutching on to it, I don't see this happening.

With a glut of quality around at the moment, Enterprise has to vie for my time, and it doesn't feature at the top of my 'to do' list anymore. Not like Trek once did. BSG aired last Monday, it was everything Trek isn't.

Sorry Ken, I know you love it, and I'm not knocking that, but I'm rapidly reaching the point where I no longer care if Enterprise lives or dies.

not quite, I hated DS9 and switched off just after Worf joined!!!

Havent watched Battlestar, as I bought the dvd of the mini series when it was released and still havent got around to watching that.

Yes I do love ENTERPRISE and Star Trek in general but I will admit there is some other class around. Dont understand why FIREFLY was cancelled for example and I am getting into B5 although I still think it is not as good as NEXT GEN.

Saturday morning the first thing I do before even getting dressed is start the download for the latest episode of ENTERPRISE.

I just think it is a shame that just as it is getting good, better than most that was churned out under VOYAGER or DS9 it is going to get cancelled thats all!!

It's not in the same league as DS9 Ken, and that's part of the problem. The reason so many fans have tuned out of Star Trek of late is quite simple, why settle for second best ?? TOS/TNG & DS9 were brilliant. Since then we've had Voyager and later Enterprise, which whilst at times being decent don't really offer anything that's not been done before. Trek lost it's creative edge with the demise of DS9, the last time Trek actually pushed the envelope. Since then we've had shows which effectively just try and bottle lightning twice, and have failed. It doesn't help that there are other shows out there which are moving forward. Once upon a time, and not that long ago, everything in Sci-Fi lived in Trek's shadow. Not only have shows caught up, but a lot of them now lead the way. Firefly, Farscape and Stargate for example all have attributes to themselves that Trek would kill for.

It's rhetoric by now I know, but nothing will change so long as Berman and Braga are still there. If for nothing else than the fact that so many years under the same stewardship can do nothing but eventually stifle creativity. Get someone new in, leave them alone and let's see what they can come up with. Manny Coto was a great addition behind the scenes for Enterprise, but he's still producing with his hands tied by the gruesome twosome.

I agree with you about B&B and always have. Of course we are never going to agree about DS9 but thats just a matter of taste.

No ENTERPRISE has never been as good as NEXT GEN or as original as say TOS was but it is now producing some very good episodes and that is what i am sorry about. The fact that it looks like it is going to be cancelled just as it has come good!!

To be honest Ken, the current situation has little to do with Enterprise itself. Season 1 was hit and miss, but was still the honeymoon period, fans would and always have been quite forgiving of first seasons of Trek. The second improved but was still patchy, but season 3 was pretty good.

The problem is that Enterprise was arguably doomed from the beginning. Voyager simply turned off too many viewers for Enterprise to be anything but under constant threat of cancellation. If any fault should be levelled at Enterprise, it's that it's not done enough to get those viewers back.

I agree, it's a shame. Given time, you never know, it may have fulfilled it's potential, but the cynical side of me would point out that people thought exactly the same of Voyager come Seasons 4 or 5, and it never reached it's potential.

and what do you think it could have done to do this and still remain loyal to STARTREK itself?

Enterprise, in my point of view has already suppassed anything Voyager did, but thats just my opinion.

The biggest flaw is that they seem to have forgotten how to write characters. That was a problem for Voyager and now Enterprise as well.

What Enterprise needed to do was stick to the strengths of it's setting.

Although it was a decent storyline I couldn't really have given a monkeys about the Xindi. They'd have been better settting up the Romulan war and the foundation of the Federation. Now, either will seem like an afterthought.

Just watched this one;

To be fair, better than I expected, a lot better. It's this kind of episode that Enterprise really hasn't done all that well in the past. The ones where not much happens, where characters get to interact and grow. The T'Pol story is obviously something major, but still, I enjoyed this one for what it was, kind of understated, no weight of expectation, just an interesting episode.

Think TNG's Family, and the tone is fairly similar. Even Travis manages to get himself into a Bar brawl, although Hoshi was still largely absent :(

All in all, the best episode to air this season. So far.

I agree, but compared to the first 4 episodes of this season that's not saying much!

nothing wrong with this season so far, it has continued to build upon the good work of the previous season.

5 very good or excellent episodes so far!!!!

Haven't gotten around to watching the fifth episode yet, but of the first four episodes from this season, only 4x03 Home has really lived up to the standard set by last season.

I've found it to be a little disappointing so far, they're trying to focus too much on gimmicks and forgetting the essential thing, plot.

4x01 - 4x02 - Daniels/TCW
4x03 - T'Pol gets married
4x04 - 4x06 - Spiner returns
4x07 - 4x09 - The Vulcans
4x10 - The inventor of the Transporter
4x11 - standalone, woohoo !!
4x12 - 4x13 - The Romulans

It's just gimmick, after gimmick, after gimmick. Heaven help us should they get Shatner onboard as well. Of all the things they could have gone on to this season, after the achievements of last year, I can't find this season anything other than disappointing so far. Looking at what's coming up, I don't see that changing too much. If this is what's in store for us from now on, I'm sad to say I think it would be better for the franchise should year four be the last.

Ah, the sound of Angel and Ken debating TNG vs DS9 vs Voy vs Ent. Just like old times....

Just wanted to add that I liked this ep too. It was nice to see the crew getting the plaudits they deserve. Nice to see Reed signing autographs. The Phlox scene was hilarious, one of the funniest trek moments for years. nice to see Archer and So'val (sp?) making peace.

The Vulcan scene was handled very well too. I was surprised that Tucker didn't want to spend any time on earth though. I was surprised that T'Pol got married, expecting them to cop out at some point, but fair play, they didn't.

The only downside is Archer. I think Bakula has never got to grips with the role. I used to like him in Quantum Leap, but in Enterprise he just seems wooden. The whole mountain climbing thing was a little painful. The idea of him going from idealist to pessimist is quite good, but he just hasn't been able to pull it off (IMHO)

Its a shame, because the recent of the cast is fairly decent.

But what exactly did you want them to do?

You have been shouting for the Romulans to arrive and now they are going to be in it you just say its another gimmick. Practically anything they could have done you could dismiss that way.

It looks to me that no matter what there is no way you were ever going to be happy with this season even if they produced the best tv ever and thats sad!!!

No Ken. Having the Romulans make a token appearance isn't exactly what I had in mind.

What should they have done ?? Built upon Season 3 not retrogress which is exactly what it's doing. With the introduction of Coto they had a genuine chance of making a go of Enterprise. Unfortunately however his hands are still tied by the overbearing nature of Berman and Braga. Take a look at those trilogies again Ken. Few other series have to resort to those kind of gimmicks to pull in the numbers. The sad thing is though, they're not. They've just pulled out all the stops in bringing back Brent Spiner and it's hardly had any effect on the numbers other than to stop the rot of recent weeks.

Could I have liked this season ?? Yes. The Romulans are instrumental to this timeframe, as is the founding of the Federation. Cornerstones of Star Trek history that I'd have gladly enjoyed seeing. Instead these are mere footnotes whilst the creative think tank behind the series come up with one mediocre story after another that practially no one cares about.

Star Trek today is a very pale imitation of it's former glories. TNG won plaudits from fans and critics alike, as did DS9. Voyager and now Enterprise are proving fruitful only in turning yet more masses of fans away from the franchise.

Complacent, stagnant, creatively bankrupt, it's getting to the point where there's a gulf in quality between Star Trek and shows such as SG1 or BSG, both of which are vastly superior now on so many levels. It's quite clear that the people at the heart of running Star Trek have very little idea as to what fans actually want from a Trek series. They still seem to be basing it on what made people tick in the 80s.

The smartest move Berman/Braga ever made with Enterprise was to get Ira Behr in and ask his opinions on how to improve the series.

The dumbest mistake they ever made was to then completely ignore his advice and turn out yet more pap :rolleyes:

Season 4 has been relatively disappointing thus far. Cancellation at this point is all but a formality. On this evidence, I won't be too sad to see it go. Let the franchise go out (for now) with a shred of dignity for God's sake. It's seen by far too many at the moment as an embarassment. I can live on DS9 reruns for the next five years while they get rid of Berman and someone else in with a decent idea or two.

I disagree. I think this season has built on the last and I also believe what Coto is trying to do is bring in stories he believes the fans want to see while at the same time trying to explain differences between Archer and co's time line and Kirks.

I have loved season 4 so far its just a shame it does look like it probably is the last.

I think we'll just have to agree to disagree on this one Ken.

Let's look on the bright side though, if Enterprise is cancelled, it all but seals Berman and Braga's fate. At last ;)

I guess we cannot agree on everything.

B+B joins Peter Ridsdale on my list of people I would like to kill!!! (only joking)

A pity we can't send them off to the Twilight Zone :lol:

I would like to send them to the PHANTOM ZONE (Ref:Superman)

I'd settle for them being anywhere other than in charge of a Star Trek series :angry:

I got to watch 'Home' last night, and pretty much enjoyed it. So far, I've quite liked S4, although I've only seen 3 eps, and the rest of you have seen everything there is to see so far!

I pretty much enjoy seeing anything Tucker related, as he's developed into one of my fave characters in any of the Trek incarnations. So the Tucker/T'Pol plot was enjoyable. Is it just me, or did anyone else think Jolene Blalock looked painfully thin and unattractive. I found her mum much nicer!

I didn't find Archer's regression from cynical, hard faced captain back, in some way at least, to his optimistic explorer persona very convincing. Actually, Scott Bakula has been the single biggest disappointment of Enterprise to me. He has been very wooden, though in fairness to him he hasn't really had that much to w**k with I suppose!

I liked seeing Phlox go all Siamese Fighting Fish on us... funny, and well portrayed, although hardly likely to help the cause of aliens on earth in general. That said, it was interesting to get a portrayal of xenophobia and paranoia from Humans in the Trek universe.

All in all, an ok episode. Not earth shattering, but a pleasant way to spend 45 minutes.

Andrew (HM) :upside:

After seeing Bakula's w**k on Quantum Leap I'd be more inclined to put his performance down to the quality of writing, rather than the quality of the man himself. It's disappointing, largely because we know he's capable of more.

Home's still one of my favourite episodes from the season.

This episode reminded me of TNG's Family presumablybecause it was a calm down episode after the huge battles before it.

Good to see the crew getting their proper heroes welcome.

I for one am glad T'Pol married fer Vulcan fiance. I was never comfortable with the Trip/T'Pol relationship which just seemed to be tacked on as an afterthought and anyway I'm not keen on on relationships between crew; they just get in the way.

Still chuckling at Phlox