Trailer

Preview scene

Proves that you should always be polite ;)

The official site now has four new promo images from 2x13.

:tear: :tear: :tear:

I knew that someone was going to die (thanks BBC for that lovely synopsis :rolleyes:), and I thought that it would probably be Owen or Tosh, but I was so not expecting both of them.

Tosh has had so little screentime that it makes me sad to see her killed off, there would have been more stories there to tell and it seems like such a waste. And Burn Gorman is going to be a major loss to this show imo, as much as it would have shocked me to say this last year, I was really upset to see Owen killed off.

Will have more thoughts when I rewatch.

I thought this was a good finale, and I had not even thought that Grey could be behind all the explosions, from the trailers I assumed John just had a grudge against Jack. I can't believe Grey had Jack buried for all that time, and it was interesting to see an earlier Torchwood in it albeit brief.

As for Tosh and Owen, I wasn't expecting both of them to die, although we don't actually know if Owen is dead it was just implied. Has there been any rumours they are not coming back or do we not know if Torchwood will be commisioned for a third series?

There were some rumours a month or so back about cast members not returning, I think it implied that most of them weren't coming back. I dismissed them as rubbish at the time but they were pretty near the mark.

Still no word on S3 from the beeb yet afaik, but considering it's ratings I'd be very surprised if it wasn't coming back. I've already heard some rumours of replacements for Tosh and Owen.

I had a quick scout round for rumours concerning Tosh and Owen, most were saying neither character would return and Jack would only be appearing for the odd episode, I guess we will have to see how true that is. I also read on a forum that someone spoke to James Marsters and he has been approached to appear in the third season, don't know how true that is though.

Who will head up Torchwood should Jack leave, Gwen?

I'm taking everything I'm reading with a big pinch of salt atm until we get official word from the beeb that the show will be back, when it will be back, and for how many episodes (I've heard some people saying they've read of a short season :ermm:).

I don't think I would want a Jackless Torchwood now that Tosh and Owen are gone, it would be too empty :(

Nooooo ! :cry:

I thought the characters of Tosh and Owen had vastly improved this season and was so looking forward to where their characters would go in Season 3. :tear:

Thought Naoko and Burn did some terrific acting; hopefully they`ll get some roles which show off their range, `cos I think they were a bit wasted on Torchwood. :ponder:

`Cos it`s Sci-Fi, I kept expecting a miraculous save at the end due to a timeline change or something, so I wasn`t too upset. Not until the end, when Tosh delivers her `from the grave` video. :tear:

I`d managed to spoil that Jack gets buried ( but assumed it would be in one of the explosions ) and that Captain John wasn`t behind the chaos, but it was a surprise to see Bad Gray.

And oooh, Jack getting buried alive and then in suspended animation in Torchwood- I didn`t see that twist coming. :thumbsup:

Watching the declassified thingy, it seemed like Tosh and Owen are gone for good. :unsure:

Digitalspy - Naoko Mori interview :)

As much as I was upset at their deaths, I was quite glad that they didn't have a magic reset to bring them back. They've already done it last season with Rhys and earlier this season with Owen, and I think it would have been wrong.

I do like how things throughout the season have tied back into this episode (Spike Captain John, Owen's King of the Weevils status and of course Gray) but I think I preferred End of Days to this. Though overall I've preferred this season to it's predecessor.

I'm still quite upset that they killed off Owen and Tosh, though I suppose there isn't much point in killing off a character if it's not going to have an emotional impact. They have incredibly dangerous jobs and I suppose it just goes to further prove that point. I'm still quite annoyed that they've killed off Tosh and yet she's had so little screentime. Both Ianto and Tosh were so underused throughout S1 and while they certainly gave GDL much more screentime I felt that Tosh was constantly in the background (apart from TTLM) and there must have been more stories to tell there. If someone had told me during S1 that I would be crying my eyes out over Owen's <demise, and that I'd grown to actually like the character, I wouldn't have believed them. Burn Gorman is going to be such a big loss to the show imo, as much as the character seems to split the fandom, I think that you have to admit that Owen is certainly an interesting character to watch. I'm so glad that Owen and Tosh had those scenes talking to each other at the end, it was lovely to watch. "You're breaking my heart" indeed. And that final video message from Tosh just started the tears going again. And a nod to NM's appearance in Aliens of London, she had to cover for a hungover Owen!

I loved the use of Rhys and Andy as the people giving us the everyday perspective on the apocalyptic events. It also provided some much needed humour as events got worse. "Brilliant secret. I ask, you tell."

* That's a different car from the Mondeo we saw Rhys following the SUV in during Meat, it looks like Gwen's car from early-S1 before she got her Megane.
* I laughed when Jack walked into the Hub and Starship Trouper was playing and again when Tosh and Ianto are totally nonplussed at the guys with scythes.
* Those dates and times were really annoying. I felt that they were a bit unnecessary, especially when they were in 27AD Cardiff and they had dialogue telling us that's where they were.
* The fact that Grey called Jack "Jack" kind of grated a bit. I know that he probably knows, via John, that he goes by Captain Jack Harkness, but wouldn't he call him by they name he knew?
* I still love Owen's theme, worked brilliantly here.
* When Jack is dug up, why isn't he a little bit mad? He's been there for 1900 years! And those clothes are in pretty good condition considering the time he's been buried.

I got most of what I wanted from this season. There was more Ianto, and he was happier and less emo (though he did get some emo moments). There wasn't the even spread of screentime that I really wanted, again Tosh was underused, but at least it seemed less like the Jack-and-Gwen show than it was during S1. Gwen still annoys me, but she seems a bit better than S1. She's still incredibly naive at times, and there's still a bit of 'the rest of the team are heartless b*****s hardened by the job and Gwen's the only one who actually cares' going on, and I could really have done without some of the Gwack stuff in some episodes, but she is a little better. And we got a sort of story arc, it didn't build up in the way that I kind of hoped but the Adam stuff kept creeping into a fair few episodes.

Possible DW and TWS3 spoilers below (though at this stage I think all rumours could be utterly made-up).....


The BBC have left it quite late to confirm S3 which makes me wonder if the rumours that I've seen are indeed true. I think that Martha would make a pretty good addition to the team since she worked really well in Reset, and it'll be pretty cool to see Ianto and Gwen in Doctor Who if that rumour is true. Though part of me is concerned about the increasing crossover between the two shows, what happened to Torchwood is not for kids, we want to keep them seperate? As long as they keep the adult show the same as it is now though...>

I`m hoping for more Rhys next year ; I liked him telling Andy that he knows lots of secrets, for instance, that there`s a secret Time Bureau based in Cardiff too. :lol:

I liked this season much more than last year`s. :thumbsup:

More Rhys and more Andy next season would be good :thumbsup:

a good but sad finale episode

owen death was kind of expected (so is martha back next season the time they find a replacement :unsure: ) but not tosh :( ( still i like her video, expecting a good death not an accident with a toaster :tear: )

so was john "playing" jack from episode one or it was when he went back in time, he got a bad surprise from gray? i hope we will see him next season just to finally got a few info about the time agency

:thumbsup: :lol: at the return of past torchwood (still they have a hard time believing him but they still agree to put him in the morgue)

rhys ... not much, a bit pep talk to gwen and a few funny comment

still a sad family reunion, gray anger at jack, i think like john that sleeping is not gonna change him much

:lol: @ owen using his "king of the weevils" title to go to the nuclear plant

bbc co uk

Pretty impressed with the series finale. :thumbsup:

I always admire show's who are brave enough to kill of regular characters but to kill two off in one go was a shock. :o I thought it was only a matter of time for Owen so when he ended up going to the nuclear plant I thought he was a goner but when Tosh got shot I thought it was a bluff and that she would end up saving him but dying herself - didn't guess they'd both die and much to my shock I was really moved at the end. :(

I also didn't guess Gray would be behind everything - I couldn't quite work out John motivation other than just being generally evil :rolleyes: but credit to the writer & to JM's performance for wrong-footing the audience ( well me at least ;) ).

As to the future it'll be quite interesting because the show runner Chris Chibnall is leaving isn't he ? Plus there's no full series of DW next year either so maybe more RTD invovlement although I thought he was going off to do something else. :ponder:

He's off to do Law and Order: London iirc. I'm wondering if we'll have word on the future on Monday from the beeb, they announced the return of the show a month before the S1 finale, but I understand not announcing it if they're killing off characters. If they wait longer then I wonder if Torchwood's future is tied up with how things in Doctor Who S4 play out? :shrug:

Laura I meant to ask - do people really call it 'Gwack' or did you just make that up yourself ? :lol:

People really do call it Gwack :lol:

:lol: :rolleyes:

I think its almost as bad as Spuffy. :)

I watched this for the just last I'm gutted RIP Tosh & Owen I've been avoiding spoilers but given the the scale disasters going on the trailer I thought we might lose one member of the team but lose two and given the fact the best characters aside for Jack himself imo it's more then a gamble as you relying on the audience taking to new characters right away to keep fans happy and we saw how Freema suffered due to the "Billie Piper effect" where the beeb axed her as they were of the opinion she wasn't as popular as Billie (god knows why?) so casting has a major impact on series. I think if they want kill off two characters they should killed one major cast and minor one like Rhys or Andy. Did either Burn or Naoko ask to leave or were both written out by because Russell T. Davies wanted them to leave?

Rhys ?? Nooooooooooooo !!! :fear:

Going by the Declassified episode, RTD said that it was always the intention to kill them off (and from NM and BG's comments they found out from RTD so they didn't ask to leave). I don't know how much longer BG would have stayed though, I'm sure he said in an interview recently that he likes to be able to play lots of varied roles.

Ah, it's from here.

I'd still be gutted if they killed of Rhys or Andy, they're great characters.

Same here, although I don't for one moment believe that Owen is dead. Tosh, on the other hand, of all the characters it made sense that she would be the one to go. She's largely been window-dressing and hasn't been given much to do apart from wander around feeling love-sick about one character or another. I'm sad to see her go, inasmuch as it would have been interesting to give her some more meaty stories, but it seemed to me that the writers always struggled to give the character much to do other than look at monitors.

I thought this episode was excellent. The only thing that marred it for me was the acting of the guy who played Gray... and James Marsters. Sorry, I've always thought he's an average actor at best.

I really liked the idea of "present day" Jack being held in the Torchwood morgue all that time whilst his "previous" self continued to do all the things we've seen up to date :thumbsup:

jack didn't check the morgue when he took over, or maybe he was not curious enough of who was there (apart for tommy that is, i guess he was not around everytime torchwood was waking him up)

Would you go looking in the morgue doors :blink: :lol:. The beeb site has a report from Owen that said it had some time-delay lock on it anyway.

I'll be pretty angry if they bring him back again, it would just be taking it too far and you just wouldn't take them killing off character seriously again.

seeing how many people were pulled out of the Torchwood morgue (suzie, tommy, jack :lol: ), un;ess jack was told to stay away from the morgue but then he would have suspect something :unsure: (thank, i will check the BBC site :thumbsup: )

Ditto. I couldn`t really take his death seriously because he`d already been brought back to `life` a few episodes previously. :ponder:

Oooh, just been looking up Burn Gorham on IMDB and he was born in Hollywood. :blink: :lol:

I totally agree, but I think the fact that they didn't actually show him die, as they did with Tosh, is just a little suspect <_<

I quite liked that they didn't show Owen dying, there was something about seeing him accept what was going to happen to him but not seeing it that made it more powerful for me I think.

Only watched it last night, a good storyline for Torchwood, but haven't really been that impressed with the show as a whole.

My favourite parts were the moments leading up to the deaths of Owen and Tosh, and Tosh's video at the end i thought was brilliant. They were really emotional, which is something i don't often think of Torchwood.

I agree with Laura about seeing Owen accepting his death was more powerful than seeing his death would've been. And Tosh not telling him she was dying probably worked better. They both died knowing they did good, even if Tosh couldn't get Owen out, and that was good in my opinion.

The story between Jack, his brother and John, i found weird, but was quite good.

Grew to like Owen, Tosh and Ianto more this season. Still can't stand Gwen and preferred Captain Jack when he was on Doctor Who. I don't plan on watching S3.

I`m looking forward to S3, though I`m quite concerned that there might be more Gwen-ness, due to the reduced cast. :ponder:

I`m assuming they`ll get some newbies in to fill Tosh and Owen`s places. :)

i doubt rhys will be part of torchwood, captain jack was hiring people who could bring something to torchwood (social skill for gwen i suppose and her connection to the police): computer skills, medical skills, .... :unsure: and anyway rhys was not happy lately about how much time gwen was spending at work and not enough thinking about their future so imagine him as part of torchwood :ermm:

I agree that Rhys probably won't join the team, he works really well as the normal outside influence on Gwen and while I'd like to see more of him, I don't want him to join the team. I think that S3 might be linked to Doctor Who S4 considering we still haven't heard a peep out of the beeb :ponder:.

Please not more Gwen screentime, not unless they change her personality completely :lol:. I'm still looking forward to S3, I thought S2 was an improvement on S1 which was very hit-and-miss.

This could be the start of the We want slightly less Gwen campaign. :thumbsup:

And ditto with season 2 being an improvement. :)