Trailer and the pre-titles scene.

And some promo pics.

That was really good, I love episodes where you get backstory on the characters (and I'll be honest and say that I think that the writers need to have some canon backstory for these characters) so it was just great.

* You see a bomb, wouldn't you start running?
* 1,392 deaths earlier for Jack, and he's been killed at least 14 times in the six months before he was captured by Torchwood Three. I wondered just how many times had died now, has he kept count? He was obviously a lot more chatty about the Doctor back then than he is now.
* The spooky girl from Dead Man Walking is back, and she's been around for over 100 years. Interesting.
* I like the continuity in Jack's bluetooth headset being there in the flashbacks, shame that there wasn't the same level of continuity regarding the headsets throughout this season.
* So is that where Jack got his "the 21st century is when everything changes" speil?
* So Tosh has been with Torchwood for 5 years.
* Was that the last time that Tosh saw her mother? She's certainly wearing the same clothes and sporting a headwound like when we saw her in End of Days.
* UNIT has it's very own Guantanamo Bay, creepy. I really want to go back and see if we see Tosh's reaction when Jack is explaining who unit is in Reset.
* Ianto has been with Torchwood Three for 21 months and was with Torchwood One for two years as a researcher. And we get his age, assuming that this is set in 2008, then he's 24 or 25. Which makes sense, unlike Owen's age.
* Casual!Ianto.
* Ianto knew a lot more about Jack than he let on during that conversation in Day One. I suppose it fits in with the "I don't care" he said during that scene. But from this he knew that Jack healed himself and that Jack's from the 51st century.
* Ianto's certainly persistent. And you can't watch his story without it being in the back of your mind why he's so eager to work for Jack, he needs to get Lisa there.
* Myfanwy's CGI is a bit iffy.
* :lol: at Ianto's indignation that the pterodactyl can go but he can't. But I don't think I'll be able to watch Cyberwoman and Jack setting Myfanwy on Lisa in the same light again knowing that catching her is what brought Ianto into Torchwood Three.
* There's obviously an attraction between Jack and Ianto from the beginning of their working relationship.
* I love the look on Ianto's face as he walks away from Jack. There's a lot going on there.
* They certainly seem to like hearing GDL scream, I think we've heard him scream a lot more than any other character this season.
* I was very worried about Owen underneath that glass, shows just how much the character has grown on me over the last season.
* Owen has been with Torchwood for 4 years.
* Burn Gorman was again absolutely fantastic here.
* This explains a lot about why Owen became the man we saw in S1, sleeping around and not settling down. And then when he does fall for Diane and loses her it helps to explain his breakdown. And it explains his volatile relationship with Jack.
* Another nice continuity piece with the Doctor's hand in the jar sitting in the hub when Owen goes there for the first time.
* Wow does John Hart not take rejection well.

Ahh two weeks seems like ages away now. Total speculations follows


And I'm really worried that they'll have to kill off at least one character during the finale. There have been way too many near-deaths this season (and you have them bringing Owen back as well). And Gwen needing to punish John, and Jack screaming "what have you done" ahhhhh!

:thumbsup: excellent episode, for someone who lost two years of his youth memory, jack had no trouble to recognize his grown up long lost brother, return of john with a revenge (i guess there is no rehab for people having trouble with rejection :lol: )

yeah, they were a bit slow reacting at the sight of the bombs

i am surprise owen was not half broken after the explosion, for a dead body, it is stronger than tosh's :ermm:

only susie backstory was missing but then she is dead :rolleyes:

:lol: to the "1392 deaths ago" for jack backstory, it was interesting to see how jack took over torchwood (did he destroyed his files after the death of everyone :ponder: ?)

ianto, if you didn't know that he wanted to get in torchwood because of lisa, a lot could have been said from his face when jack told him he was hired. it look like there was an attraction on first sight between him and jack

you start to understand owen hiding behind sarcasm after what happened to katie (but if torchwood took the time to change the CCTV and people files, why didn't jack gave a memory pill to owen ?)

not sure about tosh :unsure:

I loved Ianto as he's walking away from Jack, there's so many conflicting emotions there. From happyness at getting into Torchwood Three to guilt.

Jack wanted Owen on his team, he needed him to have some memory in order for him to join Torchwood Three.

even if jack was not able to tell where the doctor was, his knowledge should have give them a reason to think that he wasn't that much of a threat :ponder:

it was also interesting to see the little girl a hundred year before (I guess she is not human but then she has the "sight" :ponder: an other alien "gift" ? :unsure: )

Don't think that they were willing to hear that tbh, they didn't seem to be entirely on the side of reason from what we saw.

it look like only jack had connection with Unit as Torchwood would have learn a bit more about the doctor as he worked with them a few times :unsure:

Was the following episode on BBC 3 after Fragments? I was hoping to watch it on iplayer if it was shown last night.

Friday 4th April, 9pm, BBC Two 'Exit Wounds' it's the season finale, they did not show it on BBC3 :ermm:

Terrific ! :thumbsup: I think this was the best episode of Torchwood yet. :thumbsup:

Wonderful acting all round - I can`t single anyone out for being superb `cos all four main actors were amazing. :)

You always assume there`ll be something shock-worthy in back stories, but I couldn`t have guessed at anyone`s ( except maybe Jack`s :unsure: ) and yet they were perfectly plausible.

Laura, I agree about Owen - if it`d been the same situation a year ago, I`d have looked forward to him being bumped off. :ph43r:

It`s difficult to think of one particular scene which really sticks in my memory - far too many to choose from ;) - but I`ll go with Tosh doing her Sydney Bristow impersonation. :lmao: :thumbsup:

Oooh, can`t wait for next week - luckily I only have a week between episodes. ;)

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Rub it in why don't you :p. Read the 2x13 review type thing in the TV guide today, wish I hadn't now, I was being so good and wasn't reading anything and then I have a moment of weakness :no: :rolleyes:.

The weird thing is that I thought I'd really want to know more about Jack's backstory and what he did between arriving back on Earth in the 1800s and 2006/7, yet I found myself far more interested in Ianto and Owen's stories.

I read a bit in the Radio Times for next week, assuming they wouldn`t have spoilers, but they did. :cry:

I really should know better by now. :rolleyes: :lol:

Unlike Lost ( ;) ) I`d be happy to have more team backstories. :ponder:

The TV guide thing didn't actually give away much more than what the official episode synopsis is, but the last line in the synopsis is making me incredibly nervous :ermm:.

I've just read the episode casefiles and seen the making-of sections on the beeb site for 2x12. I adore this from the casefiles

:lmao:

:lmao: :lmao: :thumbsup:

Casefiles Diary

I haven`t looked at the casefiles stuff before, but after reading the diary, I want to see a Torchwood spinoff with the two ladies. :)

:lol:

link

bbc/torchwood

Well I know Russell T Davies and co are big Joss Whedon/Tim Minear fans but I wasn't expecting a complete rip-off of Firefly's Out Of Gas. Once that thought was in my head I couldn't stop thinking it everytime the episode flashed forward and then back again. And nothing can compare to Out Of Gas, it's a work of genius ;)

That said, this was still pretty enjoyable. I particularly liked the set-up of Owen trapped beneath the falling window, although I had to laugh when Gwen came along and moved a couple of bricks and then just pulled him out - I'm sure he could have managed that himself :lol:

I'm not entirely sure that I bought into Ianto's backstory, though - he seemed a very different character, in the flashbacks, to the one we met at the beginning of season 1 :ponder:

I kind of saw it as Ianto trying out different roles as he tried to get the job.

Flirty in the park while helping with the Weevil.
Trying playing on the fall of Torchwood One and attempting to appeal to any loyalty Jack may have towards fellow Torchwood employees.
And with Myfanwy, I just got the impression that he'd given up trying to get the job by this point and was being more himself (it seems more like the Ianto we've seen this season to me).

I don't think pre-Cyberwoman Ianto helps to really get much of a grip on his character since we saw so little of him :shrug:. We still saw some of his dry humour ("I'll look for them the old fashioned way... with my eyes") but it's understandable that he would stay as unnoticable as possible considering what he was hiding in the basement.

What a great episode!

We finally get to see the how Jack was recruited by Torchwood and there years pass until 1999 when Jack goes from field officer to head of Torchwood 3 I wonder exactly what is former boss Alex? saw that horrific enough to murder his team then kill himself.

Then we see build his team:

Tosh: They say never judge a book by it's cover but who would have thought shy Tosh would be an enemy of the state. She was being held by U.N.I.T. I know Martha works there but that's it. What are they exactly? :blush: I need to brush up on my Doctor Who knowledge. I wonder why Jack would only let her send her postcards?

Owen: I feel a bit guilty for giving him a hard time he watched the love fade away die slowly in front him killed by an alien that also killed some friends too. Owen then thinks he's going mad only Jack to turn up and offer him a job. So now why he won't get close to people.

Ianto: I thought it funny but agree with Steve on this one

United Nations Intelligence Taskforce. (or Unified Intelligence Taskforce as they've been changed to). They're quite similar to Torchwood in that they collect intelligence and combat alien threats, but they don't see the Doctor as a threat (not that TW3 does anyway :lol: ).

I assumed that limited contact with her mother was to avoid triggering the retcon :shrug:

Thank you Laura :thumbsup:

I assumed by the way they treating Tosh they MO would something similar was to why Torchwood was when Jack first went work for them kill then alien first asking questions later sort of thing but then again The Doctor would have never got Martha the job they if they were like that. :ponder:

i think UNIT jailed tosh for stealing alien technology blueprints (and well succeeding at building it and making it work), i suppose they didn't have the memory pill (not sharing between organisation :unsure: )