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Title: The Riches
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Outta Sight - October 13, 2007 06:39 PM (GMT)
Couldn't find a thread for this so either no-one else is watching it or it's hidden away somewhere :unsure:

Anyway, I wasn't going to watch this cos a/ I hadn't heard much about it (but then, with my limited internet access these days, I'm not quite the US drama guru I used to be :blush: :ph43r: :lol: ) and b/ the idea of Eddie Izzard and Minnie Driver as the main roles didn't really inspire me :ermm:

But a repeat was on that didn't clash with anything else so I thought "what the hell" and I'm so glad I did :thumbsup: I loved it :)

Eddie and Minnie are unrecognisable as the people I think of them of and the other characters, the kids, are great too :thumbsup:

I really didn't know what to expect, whether it was a drama or a comedy or a combination of both but, whatever it is, the first episode certainly worked for me and I'll be staying tuned from now on :thumbsup:

little pixie - October 13, 2007 07:01 PM (GMT)
I`ve got the 2 eps on tape to watch - from all the adverts, it looks very unlike anything on TV at the mo. :unsure:

Crichton Kicks - October 13, 2007 07:17 PM (GMT)
I started watching it a while ago. Think we watched about the first three or four episodes. Haven't watched any since but that's only because I've got way more things to watch than I've got time to watch it all in. It's not a bad little series.

Outta Sight - October 17, 2007 06:04 PM (GMT)
Three episodes in and am still loving it :thumbsup: In fact, it's one of the shows I make a point of watching the next day after I've recorded it (on far too late for me to watch "live" :blush: )

The only thing that bugs me slightly is Eddie Izzard :ermm: I think he's great in the part and his accent (as is Minnie's) seems pretty spot on but, when he goes into one of his long speeches with jokes, I'm always reminded of his stand up shows that I've watched so it's a bit difficult to seperate the real Eddie from the character :unsure:

But the concept is great, the acting/writing is brilliant and the kid actors are outstanding :thumbsup:

I hope it carries on and gets better and better :thumbsup:

little pixie - February 22, 2008 07:12 PM (GMT)
From Times Online February 22, 2008 Click

QUOTE
Eddie Izzard: from drag to Riches  :lmao:  :ph43r:

CAITLIN MORAN
Over the past 15 years, I've interviewed Eddie Izzard at several junctures in his career. And during that time, people's reactions when I tell them that I've just interviewed Eddie Izzard have changed quite dramatically.

In the early Nineties, before Izzard had really taken off, those who had heard of him would clutch your knee with zeal. “Eddie Izzard!” they would say. “I genuinely think he's the future! Not since Richard Pryor has anyone owned a stage in that way. He kinds of falls to pieces on stage and then pulls it all back again! It's like watching the smoke visions from the Caterpillar's hookah in Alice in Wonderland!”

Two years later, when Izzard was huge - selling out a seven-week run at the Albery Theatre in London, and then doing a 56-date tour - reactions were even more fevered.

“Oh my God, Eddie Izzard!” they would say, clutching both your knees. “He's so hot. Look at him! He's a dyslexic transvestite with a mind like a gin-trap! He improvises half his show every night, manages himself, and does nine minutes of his show in French, in heels! I need to have sex with him, right now!”

These days though, it's a little different. Since the late Nineties, the double Emmy award-winning career of Channel 4's No3 in The 100 Greatest Comedians... Ever has been sidelined - in favour of acting in not terribly well-received roles in films such as Ocean's Twelve and Mystery Men. The current reaction to saying you're interviewing Eddie Izzard is more muted.

“I don't know why he keeps on doing those awful films instead of amazing stand-up,” they say, sulkily. “And he seems to have stopped wearing a dress. I bet the Americans made him do that.”

“Do you know why I think that is - why that reaction happens?” Izzard says, leaning across the table. We're in a café in Soho, at 10am on a Monday morning. Izzard is in a sharp suit and negotiating marmalade on toast and coffee.

“If you do comedy - if you make people laugh - it releases serotonin in your brain,” he says, taking a bite and then talking with his mouth full. “People get addicted to that. Comedians become dealers. Audiences become junkies.” He pauses. “It's like salivating before a meal - there's an expectation of a certain taste. When people see me, they are expecting that high.”

Spending more than ten years provoking a mild disappointment in his public suggests that, unlike most entertainers, Izzard isn't doing all this to make people like him. Your career isn't a convoluted way of saying “Love me, world, love me!”, is it?

“No, no - God no!” Izzard says, firmly. “You'd go crazy if you did that. You can't live your life to please people. You have to move to the beat of your own drum! Dance to the sound of your own disco in your mind!”

And it's not as if Izzard's preferred disco is a wholly unsuccessful one. After 14 years of multitasking political activism (he is an ardent supporter of the EU), multilingual comedy (he has done stand-up shows in English, French and German) and acting, Izzard finally has something that might be worth trading in that “third-best comedian of all time” for.

We're here to talk about the DVD release of Season One of The Riches, the show in which Izzard finally got his lead; and one of the best leads of the year, to boot. In The Riches, a critically acclaimed comedy/drama for the American channel FX, Izzard plays a traveller/conman in the American South.

“For years journalists had been asking me, what role are you looking for? And I never knew the answer. But I do now,” he says. “It was that one.”

As Wayne Molloy - a bullshitting, upbeat antihero with an American accent that Izzard just manages to pull off - he plays opposite Minnie Driver's Dahlia, a cough-medicine-addicted “hot plastic” expert who has just been released from jail. Having stolen a dead man's identity and moved themselves and their three children into the corpse's Louisiana mansion, their motto is “The American Dream - we're going to steal it”. Or, as it says on the DVD cover, “It's a Wonderful Lie”.

The whole Molloy family make a watchable, unusually clever show, but it's the chemistry between Driver and Izzard that's the most notable aspect. Like Homer and Marge before them, Driver and Izzard play heads of a supposedly dysfunctional family who are still crazy about each other, and there's a palpable on-screen sex-hiss between them.

“We're both ambitious - very ambitious,” Izzard says, nodding - as if to encompass just how fast two British actors playing Deep South gypsies would have had to hit the ground running. “You can't fake chemistry. There has to be a fire going on, doesn't there? The writers are very good at... writing out of us, if you know what I mean.”

Commissioned to make a second series, Izzard ideally sees The Riches running to seven seasons, and with average US viewing figures of 5.9 million and critical acclaim - Time had it as one of the Top Ten New Shows of 2007 - there's no reason why it shouldn't.

“Each episode, I get better. I learn,” Izzard says. “Like, you've got to keep [your actions] small, just in the eyes on the close-ups. But then you have to go big for a wide shot. Don't get the two confused, or you'll end up watching back the wide shot and going: ‘Why am I not doing anything here, except subtly blinking?'”

It has to be said here that Izzard is a complete, ocean-going acting nerd. He won't ever open up about his personal life - even an inquiry as general as “Where do you live in LA?” is met with a cagey: “In LA. In a bungalow”. And “What do you spend your money on?” elicits little more than “iPhones. And DVDs of Dancing with Wolves. I just f****ing love that film.” But he will talk all night about acting. He is a thespian trainspotter. In the last two interviews that I've done with him, he has - in an informative and impassioned manner - instructed me on classic death scenes, how to take the ideal “intense” publicity shot, the “267 Golden Rules of Acting” and how, for “acting truth”, you have to “kill the funny”.

Today, his amusing mini-lectures are on the wardrobe anomalies in The Great Escape - “All the British actors escaping in the national costume of Switzerland, or wherever. But Steve McQueen's in chinos and a T-shirt. He's escaping into the Alps in the disguise of an American man” - and how best to just “f*** off” after telling one of your heroes that you admire them. At the Baftas, Izzard went up to the film director Ridley Scott and said: “I really admire you,” and then “just f***ed the f*** away”.

This nerdiness feeds into one of Izzard's most notable traits - constant analysis. Unlike most creative people, Izzard is constantly analysing what he - as a pro-EU multilingual dyslexic transvestite and stand-up - means, what the world means, and how he can then play the former off the latter to continue a life where he keeps “widening it out, but keep my edge”.

And this penchant for analysis brings good news for those still pining for Izzard's return as the “third greatest comedian of all time”. While, as an actor, he feels around “seven out of ten successful”, he acknowledges that the period he felt “ten out of ten successful” was as a stand-up. “Around the time of the Definite Article show,” he says, “when all ten national newspapers were reviewing it and saying it was, you know...”

Izzard recently turned his mind to working out just why this was his comedic peak, and why subsequent shows, such as Sexie (2003) and Circle (2002), have met with distinctly lukewarm reviews.

“I think it's because at that time - Definite Article and Unrepeatable - I was in one place. They were residencies. So I'm doing an experiment now. I'm going to bed in somewhere for a bit.”

And indeed, having concluded that this is the scientifically proven thing to do, that's what Izzard is off to do - right now. For, in keeping with the ethos of a man who has always chosen the more challenging route, Izzard is using his writers' strike-enforced break from The Riches to do an improvised, stand-up residency. Starting tonight. In New York. On the other side of the Atlantic from this café where we are having breakfast.

“Oh, it'll be easy,” he says breezily, putting on his Second World War-style greatcoat and going off to find a cab to Heathrow. “Try gigging in both Helsinki and LA on the same day, though. Now that one was difficult.”

The Riches - Season One is released by 20th Century Fox Home Entertainment


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TV Yank - February 22, 2008 08:26 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (Outta Sight @ Oct 17 2007, 10:04 AM)
[Eddie Izzard]'s great in the part and his accent (as is Minnie's) seems pretty spot on

I haven't seen the show so I can't comment on Izzard's accent but I wouldn't be suprised if it were excellent. From what I've seen of Minnie Driver's work, she has one of the best accents of the British actors in that she manages to give a performance full of subtleties as if the American accent were second-nature to her.

little pixie - February 22, 2008 08:53 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (TV Yank @ Feb 22 2008, 08:26 PM)
QUOTE (Outta Sight @ Oct 17 2007, 10:04 AM)
[Eddie Izzard]'s great in the part and his accent (as is Minnie's) seems pretty spot on

I haven't seen the show so I can't comment on Izzard's accent but I wouldn't be suprised if it were excellent. From what I've seen of Minnie Driver's work, she has one of the best accents of the British actors in that she manages to give a performance full of subtleties as if the American accent were second-nature to her.

Preview and other clips here. :)

Comment away. ;)

melian - February 23, 2008 09:50 AM (GMT)
The Ritches was fantastic, we watched it when it was on Virgin 1 last year :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

TV Yank - February 24, 2008 05:19 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (little pixie @ Feb 22 2008, 12:53 PM)
QUOTE (TV Yank @ Feb 22 2008, 08:26 PM)
QUOTE (Outta Sight @ Oct 17 2007, 10:04 AM)
[Eddie Izzard]'s great in the part and his accent (as is Minnie's) seems pretty spot on

I haven't seen the show so I can't comment on Izzard's accent but I wouldn't be suprised if it were excellent. From what I've seen of Minnie Driver's work, she has one of the best accents of the British actors in that she manages to give a performance full of subtleties as if the American accent were second-nature to her.

Preview and other clips here. :)

Comment away. ;)

Ouch! That's me biting my tongue. This 4 min promo is reminding me not to pre-judge. I should watch an episode -- preferably not the premire but a later one when the actors had warmed to their performance. The DVDs are available at my local rental place.

Regarding the 4-min promo, the first voice we hear, a voice-over, turns out to belong to Izzard and it has a lot of British-y pronunciations in it. The brief scene of Minnie's surprised me. She was attempting a Southern accent and it wasn't perfect -- albeit, it was about as good as a lot of American actors of today. In her case, based on what little I've seen, her role might require the difficult job of switching between a General American and Southern (more difficult for her than an American, that is).

The 4-min promo had Izzard and Minnie speaking in what I assume was their natural accents. Minnie's British accent, the melody as well as the pronunciation, was very strong. Izzard's wasn't. It would take just a little tweaking (ie, change the pronunciation of a small percentage of his words) for him to sound American.

TV Yank - March 15, 2008 10:44 PM (GMT)
I've seen some episodes and I'm relieved to report that the accents of the British leads are much better on the first three episodes. Izzard's flaws in the promo could be the result of not enuf time to practice and/or no coaching.

In the episodes, Izzard would fool Americans who aren't familiar with him. I listened really-really closely and couldn't be sure if I spotted a teeny-tiny slip-up or two. And Minnie's Southern accent is spot on, altho in the final episode, which I also saw, she seemed to occasionally slip into Standard American speech (but there were no signs of British).

Izzard's accent is General American and perhaps in order to explain that, it was said that he grew up in a city and had a formal school education.

<lecture> The General or Standard American is technically called "Midwestern" becuz that's the geographical origin of that dialect -- around the Great Lakes area. Nowadays, it's more associated with the Nebraska/Kansas area more to the south of the Great Lakes where the people are said to have "no accent". That accent spread quickly to the West and has gradually come to dominate the country.</lecture>

The "travellers" are lower class Southerners and should have thick accents as demonstrated in this show (excellently done -- and music to my ears). However, the younger generation of people everywhere seem to tending towards the American standard so it's not disturbing to hear the kids in this show sound more like their Pa than their Ma.

On the dramatic side, the pilot episode was nothing like I'd ever seen. And highly enjoyable to boot. The acting was exceptional. Izzard and the rest of the cast were superb and suffered only in comparison to Minnie Driver. Did she ever had a false moment? Or a moment when she didn't seem to be a flesh & blood, real-life person? It's great that this talented lady got a role worthy of her.

<confession>Shannon Woodward (Di Di) is soooo pretty.</confession>

Between the clever premise, the writing, the acting, Minnie and Shannon, I can be expected to rent the rest of the DVDs.




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