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John Brawn - August 5, 2007 08:01 PM (GMT)
The one where Buffy meets Dracula.



Episode 79: Buffy vs. Dracula

jamiearmour - August 5, 2007 08:52 PM (GMT)
I really enjoyed this episode, up until the last few moments of it, But enough about the annoying little ***ch. <_<

I loved the fact that Xander took on the role of "Renfield" with all of the bug eating that entailed :lol: I do have a whole psychological theory as to why that was, but it'll bore you all to tears, so I wont go into it.

The best thing in the episode was however Giles, trapped with all of those beautiful vampire sirens. Who could possibly save him? Did he want to be saved? :lol: :lol:

Then, came the best denouement that I think the show ever managed, after Buffy had dusted Drac, and he was coming back.
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I'm standing right here


That had me in stitches first time around :blush:

Mehitabel - August 6, 2007 12:42 PM (GMT)
An episode of pure joy from the first time round, when it ws just so good to have the show back. Massive style and silliness - an apology-in-advance for all the sisterly bilge shortly to be dumped from episode 2 onwards?
I hated the Dawn-Key all-clunking, all-downhill plot scrambling-for-newness so much then, and I think so still, although Glory is well worth it. All the bad ideas of the entire Buffy corpus lumped together in the same season (nearly didn't buy it even), but fortunately with space left over for some good bits. If only Riley had seduced Dawn and their eloping helicopter had crashed into a desert island somewhere inhabited by monsters...

Hippy - August 6, 2007 02:01 PM (GMT)
Wasn't overly enamoured of this episode first time round and it's not grown on me with repeated viewings. It's okay and watchable and all that but in no way a 'good' episode if you hold it up against many of the eps from the first 3 seasons :shrug:

Must admit on the Dawn front I really can't remember her being too irritating (anyone who's seen ST:TNG can tell you what properly irritating child characters are like ;) . As a show S5 probably rates above S4 for me and is definately a whole world better than S6 :)

John Brawn - August 8, 2007 03:26 PM (GMT)
BvsD is obviously not playing the same sport as the previous four Joss season openers. It is simply not in the same class.

S5 is a bit peculiar as it opens with a spoof episode. It is the most obvious spoof and maybe strictly belongs in S2. Though the professionalism and slickness displayed here makes S2 seem almost amateurish I do not find it anywhere near as satisfying as the S2 efforts.

BvsD does not seem to know whether it wants to deliver a creepy episode like Killed By Death or a delightful spoof like Phases. It seems stuck in the middle but manages to move between different moods fairly effortlessly. Buffy seems something close to sexually frustrated while Xander provides the laughs with the fairly hysterical bug eating. The ...bater joke is stilted and forced it seems to me though.

Paying a little more attention than I have before to BvsD the teaser seemed to imply that Buffy is not sexually satisfied with Riley any more hence she engages in Faith like aggression to feel something. I am not sure but I wonder if that idea is what is powering the whole episode. Exactly what status Dracula has eludes me though. I wondered if he was there as a kind of conduit to show Buffy would only ever be satisfied with a vampire hence anticipating Spuffy.

The discussion between Giles and Buffy at the end where Buffy says she still needs Giles as a watcher is sweet and genuinely affecting.

One thing I genuinely did not like was the near mugging of some of the scoobies which felt to me as if they were forcing the humour rather than letting it simply flow and having a bit of faith in your audience.

The sheer bonkersness of dropping Dawn into the mix at the close is still a stunning move to make. I recall Sarah saying someone had asked her if she was past it now Michelle had joined them. Sarah said pointedly "I was 23 years old".

On the whole it is not good enough. 5/10. sk

prophecy girl - August 12, 2007 04:38 PM (GMT)
so they bring dracula and we end up with a laugh .......... kind of , i was expecting a bit more from a "legend" than a guy who learn a few "gypsie" tricks ( :lmao: to buffy warning dracula that she is still there and she would have no problem staking him again and again, but is he really unable to see his surrounding when he is in dust form? :rolleyes: )

and the thrall, didn't we already have it with the master? :rolleyes:

still not a bad start for season five and a shock by the end of the episode ("dawn" :blink: ), after a year in military science (too serious maybe), the magic is back and buffy is back a bit different as she (kind of) explain to giles (funny she ask for more training and by intervention she say maybe there was too much training turning her in a rock .......... or a bit like kendra :ermm: )

xander is funny and this is the turning point where he seriously think it's time to stop being the zeppo (some improvement but as show in the replacement, there is a long way to go :lol: )


John Brawn - August 12, 2007 08:07 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (prophecy girl @ Aug 12 2007, 05:38 PM)
and the thrall, didn't we already have it with the master? :rolleyes:

still not a bad start for season five

On the thrall aspect I suppose The Master and Dracula seem to have slightly different powers. The Master 'hypnotises' his opponent while Dracula has the ability to create 'acolytes' who will do his bidding. Surely they are two different things.

I will have to hunt down your rating from your 2006 list. I agree it is not bad but it is not good either. sk

John Brawn - August 12, 2007 08:22 PM (GMT)
The one where Dawn whinges a lot and Harmony gets a gang.



Episode 80: Real Me

prophecy girl - August 13, 2007 08:47 AM (GMT)
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I will have to hunt down your rating from your 2006 list


just checked and it's number 126 :shrug:

the marsters had minions and i doubt he would see humans as anything but food :unsure:

prophecy girl - August 19, 2007 04:42 PM (GMT)
harmony has minions :ph43r:

i supposed they were trying to redo the zeppo (an episode from one side point of view ...... with the addition of dawn voiceover), it kind of work .......... on the first showing ........ when no one knew how dawn suddenly become part of the summer's family. still MT performance is really good. the episode is quite good and funny in place

harmony as the episode's villian is a hilarious and she is not too much scary or serious to distract from the development of the episode (her minions kill the magic shop owner "helping" giles to find his next job and the new slayer HQ for the next 2 seasons) but it show that anyone can play a reasonably powerful villain (until her minions decide they have enough of her :lol: Mort should have stay around or would he have been too much like luke? :unsure: ) someone slap riley during the laugh scene (he is trying too hard to be part of the scoobies playing as if he knew the same people as them, first it was faith, now it's harmony). once again harmony's scene with xander is terrific (each trying to show that they are smarter than the other). spike's cameo is too short but i guess they had to give him a reason to be around (make the plot moving)

i loved the intro with buffy training and dawn breaking her concentration (kid sister :rolleyes: ), :lmao: giles and his new car, buffy/willow talk, dawn/tara teaming together as they still feel a bit as outsiders.

John Brawn - August 19, 2007 08:10 PM (GMT)
The one where Xander gets replicated.


Episode 81: The Replacement

John Brawn - August 25, 2007 12:24 PM (GMT)
The one where Riley's initiative conditioning starts to fail.


Episode 82: Out of My Mind

prophecy girl - August 25, 2007 04:29 PM (GMT)
usually the less used of the main characters, Xander finally a chance at the action this season. Brendon's comic timing is excellent, as is the long-awaited Snoopy Dance he performs for Willow. :lmao: (first mentionned in amend) and a good use of nick's brother kelly (even if it's a bit difficult to tell exactly where and when he is used, a good job from the direction)

The story itself is a bit light as the only things happening is xander getting his own flat, a better job and riley admitting to know that buffy doesn't love him (feel bad about it ? not really :rolleyes: ) but scenes such as Anya's fear of death and that Riley's final comment scenes highlight the fact that Jane Espenson isn't only there to write the comedy.

prophecy girl - August 27, 2007 03:54 PM (GMT)
i understand they had to give buffy a normal guy (well as normal as riley can be :ermm: or trying to be ) but i think graham would have been so much better :unsure: (just wonder how he knew it was spike when he was knocked out by a door pushed rudely by harmony :ermm: :ponder: )

so a riley episode (with the first hint that there is something wrong with joyce, the introduction of ben and a very surprising end :blink: ) and not surprisingly it isn't a great episode even if there are a few great moments (thinking of the operating scene)

Harmony's back once again - this time the clueless chick is convinced that she is the Slayer's arch-nemesis :lol: and is desperate to avoid a good kicking but still jump to help spike with an other plan to find a way to get back at the slayer.

John Brawn - September 2, 2007 07:19 PM (GMT)
The one where Glory shows up.


Episode 83: No Place Like Home

prophecy girl - September 7, 2007 08:34 AM (GMT)
buffy: explain what you were doing ............... in five words ... or less

spike: out.for.a.walk ...... b.tch

:lol:

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the episode where we finally learn what's going on with dawn, the season big bad is introduced: a fantastic entrance from clare kramer, great red dress, she play it easily and make clear that she can beat buffy without breaking a sweat (only a broken heel can stop her) and that she has not totally her mind


the slow discovery of the truth about dawn was long but quiet good even if too many twist (good, not real, bad, innocent), not sure if the "i made you some tea, mum" scene was really useful, ok maybe it bring to the tension before the truth is learn :unsure: , dawn/joyce/buffy in the kitchen saw that there is a bit of jealousy from buffy about dawn (i guess dawn being the youngest, joyce care a little more about her and well she know buffy can handle herself :unsure: ) but there is really sisterly relation as shown in the last scene (even if buffy know the truth)


Nice effects in the scene where Buffy drifts between the fake and real worlds, discovering Dawn's room isn't quite what it seems (wait if there was a store room at the summer house, why did joyce stored her crate in buffy bedroom in freshman ?...... :rolleyes: )


the opening of the magic shop give a bit of humor to the episode, to buffy silent reaction at giles wizard outfit :ph43r: to giles giving a job to the overenthusiast anya (love xander "stay british" advise to a worried giles :) )


and riley take a blow to his marine ego :lol: (all weak and kitteny)

John Brawn - September 9, 2007 08:03 PM (GMT)
The one where Tara's family turns up.


Episode 84: Family

prophecy girl - September 13, 2007 09:15 AM (GMT)
finally we got an explanation of why tara sabotaged the spell last season and why she felt inconfortable when willow said she was one of the good guy in real me. not a great episode but quite a well written one even if we were expecting for a bigger darker revelation about tara, she is just a normal girl (even if witch) with "macho" male in her family (a bit like farmer boy riley, the guys have to protect the girls). spike idea to prove tara is normal was excellent (even if this is the scoobies we are following the story, do they care if their "friends" are demons, ex demons, vampires,.... ? not really)

amber benson usually stay in the background (shy tara) but here is the central point but she handles the "pressure" well

"we are family" (apart for spike :lol: ) scene, we can notice that riley (announce of him leaving maybe) and joyce are missing, not that she ever visited the magic box (no interest, not confortable, not well :shrug: )

:thumbsup: xander standing up against tara brother

the demons were a bit cheap (silly make-up), still glory made a fantastic appearance and the fight actions was excellent (buffy vs an invisible foe)

also :thumbsup: :wub: to the opening scene with kitty fantastico

John Brawn - September 13, 2007 03:35 PM (GMT)
Real Me is a spoof of My So Called Life. The music reminds me a little bit of Heathers though Real Me is tons lighter in tone.

I suppose Real Me is pretty obviously a Dawn vehicle and the tone is light to establish that Dawn is not a threat to the scoobies though she is clearly a mystery to be explained.

I still have a very strong memory of watching Real Me the first time and giggling the whole way through. As prophecy girl very perceptively hints there is a bit of a champagne aspect to Real Me in that after the first sip it goes a little flat. It still put a smile on my face and the script stands as very engaging.

The best Buffy running joke that Buffy wants a normal life yet there are pesky supernatural intrusions is turned on its head here as Buffy is trying to organise her life around her slayer training while Dawn has become the pesky domestic intrusion. This is established in the very first scene where Buffy is following Giles's mystical training ultimately interrupted by Dawn. I had not noticed that before.

Another thing that struck me is that Real Me should have been the template for the trio in S6 because Harmony's gang is delightfully useless and fine comic relief.

I like how one of Glory's victims confronts Dawn outside the magic shop though it was confusing first time round.

I love the visual metaphor at the end where Buffy is striking the chains with the axe showing how sparks fly between Buffy and Dawn.

I also love Michelle who is instantly convincing in the role.

My instinct is to say they should have made Real Me the season opener though it would have been confusing to throw Dawn into the mix all at once. I am not sure if it deserves a 7/10 or 8/10. sk

prophecy girl - September 13, 2007 06:13 PM (GMT)
real me was light but the last voice over of dawn (in the last scene) make us wonder about her (dawn saying she is more that what everyone think she is, probably just a teenager rebellion thingie) guess just a distraction from the writers to keep our interest until the "big revelation" in no place like home

John Brawn - September 13, 2007 06:45 PM (GMT)
The Replacement seems slightly less sparkling than Real Me as it did not put a smile on my face but it definitely held my attention for the full 40 minutes or so.

Xander is not quite as developed a character as Buffy or Willow but Jane creates something a little bit special by splitting Xander into competent and incompetent doppelgangers.

I loved the flat and the estate agent where Jane really captures the scoobies bonkersness compared to a 'normal' outsider.

There are a lot of fine lines here. I really liked competent Xander's line about if you do not leave home then you have to buy a Klingon outfit and go with it. The kill us both spock is a nice nod to Star Trek fans. I also like Buffy's line about the axe and ze other axe.

I wondered if the line from Joyce about having a headache where Buffy and Riley are being teased by Dawn is the first hint that all is not well. I am not sure.

I loved the visual joke about competent Xander's ability to 'shine people on' when he is dazzling people with the coin. Clearly Jane is saying Xander does have the ability to charm people if he put his mind to it. Reminds me a little of Ace Rimmer from Red Dwarf. 7/10. sk

John Brawn - September 13, 2007 09:36 PM (GMT)
Out Of My Mind is a puzzling episode as it is kind of bland and very exposition heavy. It is as if they suddenly realised they needed to have everything in place for No Place Like Home.

The opening establishes Spike is as much a suitor as Riley so the ending falls into place and feels natural. It is noteworthy that Spike referred to Buffy as a 'dish' back in Real Me so I suppose it was all on the cards.

As some girlies have said Dawn acts younger than her teenager status suggests she would. Goofing about with the stethoscope is an effective bit of exposition but Dawn is probably too old for it. The only defence I can give is that Dawn's status as the younger sister of someone who is very dominating could have blunted her development.

The joke about the torch caught me unawares and I liked Spike's closing rant as he is on the run with Harmony especially the line about her 'bouncing shampoo commercial hair'.

I do not have any great theory about Out Of My Mind other than it clearly sets up the rest of the season so it is something of a necessary evil. As prophecy girl comments it is probably a Riley episode but Joyce's final arc is established as well. Maybe 4/10 or 5/10. sk

John Brawn - September 14, 2007 09:21 PM (GMT)
No Place Like Home is absolutely brilliant though there is quite a lot going on. There is exposition, humour, action and pathos all delivered absolutely effortlessly.

Doug really captures the spirit of Buffy as he understands that Buffy is a '[wo]man of action' who makes decisions and then re-evaluates and amends those decisions on the fly. Jane Espenson captured it brilliantly in A New Man too. Buffy primarily thinks Joyce is being supernaturally affected and it is only through the serendipity of seeing Dawn's picture that she is confronted with the truth. Buffy has had to change her 'false' assumption and face a new possible threat.

Michelle plays Dawn brilliantly as she manages to convey humour, menace, pathos and defiance in a few short scenes. Humour when calling Buffy a "butthole". Menace with the cup of tea and appearing behind Buffy on the phone. Pathos with her last line. Defiance when Buffy returns to the house and Dawn says defiantly "I wasn't bothering her".

I love an episode that delivers an acid trip which opens 'the doors of perception' but lets the viewer understand what is going on without explaining it. No child could be corrupted by this as it is entirely innocent. Riley primes you as to what is about to happen with his line "Have a nice trip".

I loved the humour too. Glory is a hoot. I love how she brings the roof down with her leviathan frustration. Her "oh sh.." line echoes Doppelgangland a little.

The action was great as well. The opening fight with the vampire near the factory had fine dialogue as did Buffy's fisticuffs with Glory. I love how Glory says Buffy needs to rethink whether she is stupid or not.

The ending is one of brilliant pathos where Buffy and Dawn are reunited by their concern for Joyce.

This is easily the best episode of 5.1. 8/10.

John Brawn - September 14, 2007 11:25 PM (GMT)
Family is a lot sweeter and less heavy handed than I remembered. I suppose it is strictly about Tara but the rest of the scoobies are so involved I am reluctant to say it is a Tara episode.

The 'shotgun and pickup' red-necks are maybe a little too heavy handed a portrayal of rural conservatives but I suppose Joss only has 40 minutes to play with and it is nowhere near as bad as Wrecked. Family is about rural conservatives versus urban liberals. I think Joss says something more sophisticated in one episode of a supernatural drama than Bush or the so-called 'Christian Coalition'(Home Improvement etc) ever could. Why? Family is saying people have to find supportive relationships wherever they can and sometimes 'normal' families are the very definition of dysfunctional.

I think Family works because the opening 15 minutes or so is quite witty and engaging. I love Riley calling Xander a dork by inference and Xander not getting it. Tara is delightful when she makes the 'intellectual' joke that falls flat and she remonstrates with herself muttering about being a dork.

Buffy and Xander's discussion about Tara is very clever as it is definitely not homo-phobia but Joss clearly positions them as two conservatives who are, if not homophobic, then homo-anxious about how to relate to someone who is lesbian. I must admit if you have ever worked in an office with someone who is very 'out' it can be a bit disconcerting. You have to remember they are still people and that is what Buffy and Xander are struggling with.

Riley is clearly beginning to feel very alienated from Buffy which is a shame as that is precisely the character flaw he needed in S4 to make him more fallible and human. He has become someone very different from the impossibly 'smug git' who reared his head in The Freshman.

It did not strike me before just how smitten Spike is. He is almost an honourary scooby here. Spikes 'solution' to see if Tara is a demon is startlingly abrupt in its execution but very neat.

The cynic in me says the final floating scene is a joke about being light in the loafers. I find that interpretation a bit more amusing than some sort of soppy final coda.

I am a bit puzzled what rating to give. Maybe 6/10. sk

prophecy girl - September 15, 2007 04:34 PM (GMT)
i also like the intro scene between buffy and giles discussing dawn : a slayer/watcher scene, trusting him with something very important, i am not sure she would have done the same in the early year (or maybe not before the dark age) :unsure:

John Brawn - September 16, 2007 06:57 PM (GMT)
The one where Spike tells Buffy about the slayers he's killed.


Episode 85: Fool For Love

John Brawn - September 16, 2007 07:52 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (prophecy girl @ Sep 15 2007, 05:34 PM)
i also like the intro scene between buffy and giles discussing dawn : a slayer/watcher scene, trusting him with something very important, i am not sure she would have done the same in the early year (or maybe not before the dark age) :unsure:

I was not sure whether Buffy's reasoning about Dawn was the right idea. Maybe all the scoobies should know to keep her out of harms way. Already it seemed a little odd Buffy fussing seemingly excessively over Dawn at both the dorm and at home when she was about to go and see a friend.

I am not sure what you mean about the early years. Do you mean Buffy and Giles had not established a relationship whereby they could confide in one another?

I suppose during S1 Giles was mostly the obi-wan kenobi figure rather than a key scooby. sk

prophecy girl - September 17, 2007 09:20 AM (GMT)
buffy was not "close" (or seeing giles as a father figure, see helpless when she ask him to take her to the ice show in place of absentee dad) to giles in the first season (don't trust the watcher, still have issue with the death of her first watcher, teen rebellion :lol: ,............ ) so i doubt she would discuss something like dawn so quickly (she would have keep it until there was no other choice :unsure: )

Nick - September 17, 2007 01:28 PM (GMT)
I think I'm a sucker (Ithangew) for the more sentimental episodes and of course really like this one. BUT, the walking on air bit at the end is just pants. :lol:

prophecy girl - September 17, 2007 03:56 PM (GMT)
i suppose they tried the cute episode: starting the episode with miss kitty fantastico :wub: and ending up with the floating couple :rolleyes:

John Brawn - September 20, 2007 08:30 PM (GMT)
Fool For Love has a brilliant opening and maybe the finest production values of the whole series but I am just not that interested in Spike's history and how he killed the two slayers.

I admit the story structure is brilliantly thought out. Buffy's near invincibility is punctured with some style as there is nothing more ironic than being staked with your own stake. Riley has perhaps his last fine moment here by leaping to her rescue. Clearly Buffy's scrape with mortality leads her to talk to Giles and ultimately Spike so the steps feel necessary.

I love Buffy's valley girl reduction of a slayers life with her "blah blah" dismissal of the non-existent written accounts. Dawn is so cute covering for Buffy and then taking an unhealthy interest in the wound.

Spike's pre-vamp character seems to hint that it is destroyed by the vamping process. I love how he is close to a 'dandy' or 'fop' of sorts which seems to have hardly survived in his current incarnation. The origins of his name are a neat bit of writing.

The main problem of Spike's story is the story in the past structure which renders the scenes presented totally lacking in excitement or threat. I suppose the counter would be that it illuminates Buffy's predicament but I am not sure how much. When Spike is play fighting with Buffy he delivers some seemingly Freudian psychology about how slayers destroy themselves. That is interesting enough but that idea is not illuminated in the fights with the two slayers. Spike has made an interpretation or insight after the fact and it is hard to know whether he is right.

One of the problems I have is that I am not very interested in Freud so I do not know very much about a death wish hence I cannot really evaluate Spike's assertion.

The idea hinted at that slayers destroys themselves by wanting to 'feel' the death they casually mete out casts an illuminating shadow over The Gift. The other thing it reminded of is Platoon where one of the characters says "the only thing that can kill Barnes is Barnes". Similarly is Spike saying slayers ultimately destroys themselves independently of what anyone does?

From that another idea could be that Spike is trying to mentally destroy Buffy with an unpleasant idea. That does not seem to square with the feelings expressed in his dream in Out Of My Mind.

For production values and style 10/10
For actual content, script and general satisfaction(ie my usual mark compared to all other episodes) 7/10. sk

Mehitabel - September 22, 2007 03:05 PM (GMT)
Got to be one of my all-time uber-favourites - the episode AND a chunky JB review- I'm on a driveby right now, but will be back to get my teeth into it before v. long.

:yahoo:

laughitupfuzzball - September 22, 2007 07:07 PM (GMT)
Merging threads :thumbsup:


That is the best I could get it I'm afraid. If we make sure we put titles in bold then hopefully chronologically we should start to make sense :)

prophecy girl - September 23, 2007 04:23 PM (GMT)
one of my favorite season five episode: learn a bit more about spike story and the slayers he killed (of course it's important to watch darla to have the other side of the story :lol: :thumbsup: ). nice explanation of his name and his old personality

the intro kinda remind me of helpless apart here buffy is at her full strengh and end up being staked with her own stake (a bit of overconfidence then) and saved by riley ............... who can only make the vampire run away and lose his weapon while he is at it :rolleyes: still he is good at first aid: a bit plus for his ego until he end up patrolling with the scoobies who are not big on stealth and military way (xander not knowing about the "tchoo tchoo" move :lmao: ..... definitly forget about it or halloween private harris was not in the commando :unsure: ), then he decide to go commando with a grenade and deal with the vamp and his friends on their own territory (well a crypt), a bit too much (this is a supernatural serie not a military serie, probably trying to show that riley approach is way too different for him to be part of the scoobies :ponder: )


buffy not caring much about her predecessor (guess she didn't read about india cohen then ......... see the book of four buffy book for more) but caring enough to go to spike to learn a bit more about the death of slayers (a tiny step in the direction of the gift :unsure: )

a nice moment with dawn covering buffy wound and then blowing it up by asking for a chance to go patrolling ( not until ........ never ) :rolleyes:


spike thinking he is good enough for buffy but he is definitly beneath her, james marsters bring it really well on screen and you feel a bit sorry for him but the philosophical discussion about slayer craving for death during the mix past/present fight (love that scene) was a bit too much. the surprising end with a pissed off spike coming to deal with buffy once and for all, having second thought by the sight of a crying buffy and ending up awkwardly supporting her :blink: :thumbsup: was well written

John Brawn - September 23, 2007 06:24 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (laughitupfuzzball @ Sep 22 2007, 08:07 PM)
Merging threads :thumbsup:


That is the best I could get it I'm afraid. If we make sure we put titles in bold then hopefully chronologically we should start to make sense :)

I really appreciate you have made the effort to give us some kind of forum. I still feel we deserve a proper board just like the Star Trek board.

Clearly everybody will have to be uber religiously diligent in watching the 'current' episode or else it become impossibly confusing. Never mind.

If we have to lose our boards surely the Star Trek boards should lose theirs too. Fair's fair for everyone. sk

John Brawn - September 23, 2007 06:36 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (prophecy girl @ Sep 23 2007, 05:23 PM)
1 one of my favorite season five episode

2 a bit plus for his ego until he end up patrolling with the scoobies who are not big on stealth and military way (xander not knowing about the "tchoo tchoo" move :lmao: ..... definitly forget about it or halloween private harris was not in the commando :unsure: ), then he decide to go commando with a grenade and deal with the vamp and his friends on their own territory (well a crypt), a bit too much (this is a supernatural serie not a military serie, probably trying to show that riley approach is way too different for him to be part of the scoobies :ponder: )


3 buffy not caring much about her predecessor (guess she didn't read about india cohen then ......... see the book of four buffy book for more) but caring enough to go to spike to learn a bit more about the death of slayers (a tiny step in the direction of the gift :unsure: )

4 spike thinking he is good enough for buffy but he is definitly beneath her, james marsters bring it really well on screen and you feel a bit sorry for him but the philosophical discussion about slayer craving for death during the mix past/present fight (love that scene) was a bit too much. the surprising end with a pissed off spike coming to deal with buffy once and for all, having second thought by the sight of a crying buffy and ending up awkwardly supporting her :blink: :thumbsup: was well written

1 I must admit I would take Real Me, The Replacement, No Place Like Home, Blood Ties, Crush, Intervention, Tough Love, Spiral or The Gift over Fool For Love.

2 I had not really thought about that. You are hinting you can take the man out of The Initiative but you cannot take The Initiative out of the man. I had not thought about the scene hinting that Riley did not belong with the other scoobies. A preparation for Into The Woods.

3 You are scouting a similar idea to one in my review.

4 I am not sure it was too philosophical but it was slightly hard work. I was slightly flattered that Doug gave us something to think about rather than just have Spike say the slayer did this then I killed her which would have rendered the whole thing prosaic. sk

John Brawn - September 23, 2007 06:39 PM (GMT)
The one where Joyce has a brain tumour and Buffy fights a snake.


Episode 86: Shadow

prophecy girl - September 24, 2007 09:16 AM (GMT)
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2 I had not really thought about that. You are hinting you can take the man out of The Initiative but you cannot take The Initiative out of the man. I had not thought about the scene hinting that Riley did not belong with the other scoobies. A preparation for Into The Woods.


well riley did suggest to take the two xander in a lab and try some experience on them (the replacement), that was very initiative of him :rolleyes:

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1 I must admit I would take Real Me, The Replacement, No Place Like Home, Blood Ties, Crush, Intervention, Tough Love, Spiral or The Gift over Fool For Love.


:ermm: i think the gift, the body, real me and no place like home are are a bit better than fool for love but still i like that episode

John Brawn - September 24, 2007 07:20 PM (GMT)
Shadow is the kind of episode where you find yourself forgetting it almost as soon as you finish watching it. The whole episode, it seemed to me, was an extension of Out Of My Mind in that it continued arc exposition without being very entertaining in and of itself. Joyce is in big trouble. Giles makes a mistake. Riley despairs. Glory shows herself to be single minded.

Spike was rather entertaining with his blouse sniffing exploits and I admit I don't blame him. Sarah looks so hot in S5 it is untrue.

Riley takes hit after hit what with Spike and Dawn destroying his self-esteem. First Spike says all he has to offer is a 'piercing glare' while Dawn articulates how he does not make Buffy cry like Angel did. It is no wonder he is left with the psychological assessment that he should allow himself to be turned. I suppose his moral conscience stops him from allowing himself to be turned plus he realises that Buffy needs him to a certain extent.

I was not sure what to make of the snake other than perhaps the CGI people said they could deliver a snake rather than something else. If there is some fun metaphor going on here I missed it. I guess they were going with the threat of Dawn being discovered plus a nice chase with a bit of fisticuffs. I am not that bothered about the standard of the FX. I am more interested in whether the story works. The only thing that strikes me as a bit odd is they seem to have used a doll of Dawn when the snake is directly in front of Dawn in the Magic Box. Very strange.

I found Joyce a bit unconvincing as she seemed more like someone who has just had an ingrowing toenail removed rather than a really serious brain biopsy. I suppose that could be Joyce's character as she has had to be somewhat sanguine dealing with Buffy all these years.

Buffy listening to the Doctor was very convincing as you stop listening after the first sentence that delivers bad news. Her reaction was brilliant when he said nearly 1 in 3 people make a recovery and I don't blame her.

All in all necessary to keep S5 on the road but not very satisfying. It did not put a smile on my face though it kept my attention all the way through. 5/10. sk

prophecy girl - September 27, 2007 09:14 AM (GMT)
shadow ................. not a great episode. i think it's the turning point for riley as he take blow after blow (he is lecturing by xander no less about his attack on the crypt, he is told by dawn that he is not making buffy cry like angel did, not included in the summers reunion about joyce illness, getting laugh at by spike,.....), it seem the writer try to play "you have to feel sorry for him" to get us to understand his "turn to the dark"

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I suppose his moral conscience stops him from allowing himself to be turned plus he realises that Buffy needs him to a certain extent.
or maybe he just wanted to experience what buffy went through (three times: the master, angel, dracula) :unsure: (bitten but not sired)

love the scene about the gang researching glory and giles comment that she could be anywhere and there she is playing average customer :lol: poor giles completing failing to notice what he just sold might be a dangerous mix (but then this is the magic box, anything can be dangerous when mixed)

once again we got a bad special effect for the snake and buffy punching it to the pult didn't feel like she was beatting a plastic thingie ......... not at all :rolleyes:

a too short scene with spike but quite fun :rolleyes:


still some well written scene: the doctor telling buffy about joyce illness (just the right tone), and the glory scenes: one with dreg is the intro, the one in the reptile house glory being impatient and having fun punching buffy again during the ritual) and we learn a little bit about the fact there is a timeline (tick freaking tock)

i like the moving from scene to scene (the gang, buffy, riley) with the score behind




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