Title: 1x23: How to Stop an Exploding Man
Phillip Culley - May 22, 2007 03:10 AM (GMT)
Awesome.
I wasn't sure about the episode until the final act, and then it blew everything away.
jamiearmour - May 22, 2007 10:49 AM (GMT)
Totally agree, it did seem to be slow in the first few acts.
Then it all came together.
Nikki realises she has the strength, and uses it. :thumbsup:
Peter gets a pep talk from his dead former employer :o :lol:
Hiro saves Ando :yahoo:
Peter and Nathan save New York :yahoo:
Molly meets Micah (aw, extremely young love)
A finale worthy of waiting for, though the opening of "Volume 2" looked brilliant as well. Poor Hiro :lol:
willowroolz - May 22, 2007 10:17 PM (GMT)
It was good, but my overwhelming feeling at the end was "Is that it?" :shrug:
The finale was nicely done but it lacked tension, imo. I liked Nathan's arrival to save the day, but Sylar (who I've increasingly thought of as a weak, lacklustre villain) seemed to forget all his powers at an incredibly convenient moment. How come he couldn't hear Nikki's heartbeat when she crept up behind him? How come he just didn't fling Hiro away when he was charging with the sword? His demise was too easy and not worthy of the build up over the previous 22 episodes.
And other inconsistencies. If Mrs Petrelli was so bothered about getting Claire to safety why didn't she just tell Nathan to fly down and get her back when she jumped out of the window? Looks like all their powers can only be used when it's convenient for the writers.
I'm using the word "convenient" a lot. Probably down to my lack of vocabulary, but also because, for me, it reflects a lot of what has happened in the last few episodes.
And as for Richard Roundtree's pep talk - dear Lord, could it have been anymore ridiculous? I can't remember his exact words, but when he said "Does it really matter how you got here?" oslt it smacked of the writers not having a clue how to motivate Peter properly and so giving him this half-arsed explanation. Five out of ten for effort, must do better next term.
I'm making it sound like I didn't enjoy it, but I did. I just wanted a lot more from it. Up until episode 18 I was thoroughly enjoying the whole Heroes experience and felt everything was building nicely to a big finale. Since then I've found it a little disappointing and, where it should have ended with a roar, this felt more like a whimper to me - it was anti-climactic, IMHO.
I did like the start of Volume 2, though. It reminded me of the start of Army of Darkness. Hiro should open next season with the words "Hail to the king, baby" or "Yo, she-bitch let's go". Nice. :)
I know you're all going to love it so I'll just say that this post comes with lashings of IMHO's. Maybe I'll enjoy it more next time around now that my expectations have been suitably lowered :lol:
laughitupfuzzball - May 23, 2007 07:19 AM (GMT)
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The finale was nicely done but it lacked tension, imo. I liked Nathan's arrival to save the day, but Sylar (who I've increasingly thought of as a weak, lacklustre villain) seemed to forget all his powers at an incredibly convenient moment. How come he couldn't hear Nikki's heartbeat when she crept up behind him? How come he just didn't fling Hiro away when he was charging with the sword? His demise was too easy and not worthy of the build up over the previous 22 episodes.
And other inconsistencies. If Mrs Petrelli was so bothered about getting Claire to safety why didn't she just tell Nathan to fly down and get her back when she jumped out of the window? Looks like all their powers can only be used when it's convenient for the writers. |
Completely agree and I am even wondering if there was a previous version that the studios didn't like. The ending seemed cobbled together, and too sappy, I would love to have seen a much darker ending. Shame Invisible man didn't turn up to help Peter.
I did however smile at the beginning of the next volume with Hiro time travelling :thumbsup:
willowroolz - May 23, 2007 07:28 AM (GMT)
| QUOTE (laughitupfuzzball @ May 23 2007, 08:19 AM) |
| Completely agree |
Okay, I wasn't expecting that :lol: :)
jamiearmour - May 23, 2007 08:56 AM (GMT)
| QUOTE (willowroolz @ May 23 2007, 08:28 AM) |
| QUOTE (laughitupfuzzball @ May 23 2007, 08:19 AM) | | Completely agree |
Okay, I wasn't expecting that :lol: :)
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It's a one in a million event Steve. Don't get used to it :whistling: :lol:
willowroolz - May 23, 2007 09:30 AM (GMT)
| QUOTE (jamiearmour @ May 23 2007, 09:56 AM) |
| QUOTE (willowroolz @ May 23 2007, 08:28 AM) | | QUOTE (laughitupfuzzball @ May 23 2007, 08:19 AM) | | Completely agree |
Okay, I wasn't expecting that :lol: :)
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It's a one in a million event Steve. Don't get used to it :whistling: :lol:
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Saw that one coming a mile off :p
Persephone - May 23, 2007 11:32 AM (GMT)
I was incredibly under whelmed with it myself. I liked the entire episode, till the Sylar/Peter non event. They've taken so much time over the last 22 episodes to build up to this point, and it's like the writers realised they only had 10 minutes to wrap it all up in and the result was a total anti climax. :rolleyes:
willowroolz - May 23, 2007 11:44 AM (GMT)
jamiearmour - May 23, 2007 11:56 AM (GMT)
| QUOTE (Persephone @ May 23 2007, 12:32 PM) |
| I was incredibly under whelmed with it myself. I liked the entire episode, till the Sylar/Peter non event. They've taken so much time over the last 22 episodes to build up to this point, and it's like the writers realised they only had 10 minutes to wrap it all up in and the result was a total anti climax. :rolleyes: |
It could have just been me....
Didn't anyone else notice that Sylar escaped into the Sewers, and that Peter probably survived the explosion? :unsure: It could be a set up for a rematch, somewhere down the line.
Peter was told that "There's always one that's good"
I'm also left wondering who Molly was talking about when she said there was someone "worse than the boogey man"?
I'm intrigued and I want to know now.
willowroolz - May 23, 2007 12:14 PM (GMT)
| QUOTE (jamiearmour @ May 23 2007, 12:56 PM) |
| Didn't anyone else notice that Sylar escaped into the Sewers, and that Peter probably survived the explosion? :unsure: It could be a set up for a rematch, somewhere down the line. |
I noticed that, yes, and I did this:
:rolleyes:
Even if they are both set to return, personally, I don't think there's any excuse for this damp squib of a finale. It should have been bigger and better. It should have pulled out all the stops to give the season a big send off. As it stands, for me, the season peaked with episodes 17 and 18, which were fabulous :thumbsup:
I'm still laughing at the lack of a decent explanation for Richard Roundtree's appearance. It reminded me, in terms of criticism, of the scene in The Abyss where Bud and Lindsey are stuck in the quickly flooding mini-sub. "Well why don't we look around for a wrench" one of them says. Hmm, I think that Cameron could have at least tried to come up with an explanation as to why a sub would have no tools on board at all :lol:
I did wonder who Molly was talking about, and I look forward to finding out. Hopefully they'll learn from their mistakes this season :)
jamiearmour - May 23, 2007 12:25 PM (GMT)
| QUOTE (willowroolz @ May 23 2007, 01:14 PM) |
| QUOTE (jamiearmour @ May 23 2007, 12:56 PM) | | Didn't anyone else notice that Sylar escaped into the Sewers, and that Peter probably survived the explosion? :unsure: It could be a set up for a rematch, somewhere down the line. |
I noticed that, yes, and I did this:
:rolleyes:
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Well, from that reaction, I take it you don't read many comic books? :lol: That ending just reeked of some classic stories I've read in my time, some of which have become "legendary" in comic history.
Case in Point: The Dark Phoenix saga, viewed by many to be amongst the greatest of comic book stories. An immensely powerful creature inhabits the body of Jean Grey (no jokes about Famke Jansen please :rolleyes: ) Creature eats an inhabited star system, gets sentenced to death by an alien government.
The executioners get squished by the Phoenix and the X-Men. But then the Phoenix "allows itself" to be killed in order to save Cyclops, and Earth, from her own hunger.
Piss ending to a great story but, ho-hum, who are we to judge eh? :lol:
If Heroes does anything like what came after that X-Men story, I will freak out,
(It turns out it wasn't Jean that died, it was a clone, then Jead did die, only to be resurrected by the Phoenix) then they both died again, but like Buffy, we know she/they'll be back :lol:
Jean Grey currently holds the award for "most times dead" in comic book history :rolleyes:
willowroolz - May 23, 2007 12:37 PM (GMT)
| QUOTE (jamiearmour @ May 23 2007, 01:25 PM) |
| QUOTE (willowroolz @ May 23 2007, 01:14 PM) | | QUOTE (jamiearmour @ May 23 2007, 12:56 PM) | | Didn't anyone else notice that Sylar escaped into the Sewers, and that Peter probably survived the explosion? :unsure: It could be a set up for a rematch, somewhere down the line. |
I noticed that, yes, and I did this:
:rolleyes:
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Well, from that reaction, I take it you don't read many comic books? :lol: That ending just reeked of some classic stories I've read in my time, some of which have become "legendary" in comic history.
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I think you're misinterpreting my comments, Jamie ;)
I'm not complaining that they didn't/may not die, that's not the issue. I fully expected them not to die, this being an ongoing concern and all.
My complaint is simply that there was next to nothing in the fireworks department. I felt little tension or excitement. As Alex commented, it felt cobbled together. The set-ups and pay-offs felt mechanical rather than organic. Even when the characters started working together it all felt a little clumsy and/or forced, such as Peter telling Nikki to go back to her family (fine on the outside but I don't really want to see Nikki duck out of a fight when she's one of the eponymous Heroes) :shrug:
I expect this to develop more - in terms of the characters not backing down etc - and, from that point of view, I hope I'll be able to look back on the end of this season and enjoy it a lot more :)
There I go with my expectations again :lol:
Darris - May 23, 2007 04:42 PM (GMT)
Having just watched it, I am glad that some of you were expecting more as I felt something was missing near to the end. As most of you have said the plot has been building up for weeks, I was expecting an explosive finale so to speak.
I think we were spoiled by Five Years Gone, which I thought was an excellent episode. At the very least I was expecting Claire to have shot Peter (even though he has regenerative abilities, I thought he may live). His brother taking him off into the sunset just seemed a tad lame to me.
I did like Volume two however and laughed when Hiro swore and the translation was bleeted out!
I am also wondering who Molly was talking about, at first I thought Linderman, but now Claire's grandmother is coming to mind?
willowroolz - May 23, 2007 04:52 PM (GMT)
| QUOTE (Darris @ May 23 2007, 05:42 PM) |
| I am also wondering who Molly was talking about, at first I thought Linderman, but now Claire's grandmother is coming to mind? |
Oooh, I like that idea :thumbsup:
TV Yank - May 23, 2007 05:12 PM (GMT)
(Whew...I've been trying to move to a new computer at home and I've been having troubles. Notably, I don't see any "Reply" button. I'm at a library right now.)
I was disappointed with the finale. The tension failed to build. Compounded by the frequent commercial breaks. (At least you downloaders won't have that issue.)
The resolution was a nice touch but wasn't as powerful as it could have been if it were done right. I think the problem has to do with switching between the multitude of characters. And Peter's visit with his old client (played by the original SHAFT, Richard Roundtree) was a total waste of time.
All in all, however, the series was entertaining and a fizzle at the end doesn't ruin it for me. It was the journey...
Dan Brown - May 26, 2007 03:27 AM (GMT)
I thought it was a good wrap up to the season. Although there have been ALOT of whiners complaining about continuity. I can't see any here so thats good, but I'm talking about people who 'obviously think they know everything'.
The major inconsitency people are moaning (without due cause imo) is the fact the Peter convieniently forgot to fly away as he was going nuclear. I have responded to this on other sites as I remember Claude stating that Peter could 'pull out an ability' from all the ones he's collected. This means 'I think' that as he was going nuclear he couldn't fly. Am I right? As I can't remember him using two abilities at the same time. But just wanted to check here......because maybe I missed a time when he used two at the same time?
I do agree with Steve on some things being 'convienient', but I think some of the examples he uses can be left open to interpretation. Such as the flying to catch Claire, with limited time until the nuke and Claires obvious unwillingness, (get into helicopter could decide to fall out of that etc.) They just let her be. Thats my view anyway.
Anyway I'm pleased although not so much at being left in the dark about who lives or dies.
I think we'll see Parkman and Peter again. But I really liked Nathan as a character and although the future looks bleak I'm hoping he flew Peter up to the upper atmosphere and flew as fast as he could away before Peter went nuclear. I hope due to the altered timeline Peter doesn't come back to the series with that scar though. Maybe it can be on his back or something?
One problem that does bug me though is the thought of Sylar returning, not because he should be dead just because I really disliked that actor that plays Sylar because in 24, the character he played (Adam??!!) was such a drama queen and annoyed me so much, and I think of that everytime I see him in this. Also his eyebrows are way to big and freak me out :fear: .
To summarise it was good but didn't live up to the build up of previous episodes, after the travelling to the future episode I was expecting a Sylar vs. Peter battle of Agent Smith Vs. Neo proportions but it didn't turn out that way. I'd have to agree partially with Steve that episodes before not sure if specifically 18-19 though were in fact better than the finale. I think the episodes with Claude (Christopher Eccleston) and Peter learning to control his powers were the high point for me.
It could have probably done with an extra ten, fifteen minutes (I was expecting an extended episode anyway) possibly adding some more time and thrills to the Sylar vs. Peter and some more time to explain more about Eric Roberts character (hopefully more about him in flashbacks next season and more about explaining 'The Company').
prophecy girl - December 6, 2007 04:39 PM (GMT)
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Heroes finale grabs 3.4m viewers The climax of the first series of US hit show Heroes has attracted a peak audience of 3.4m on BBC Two. The superhero drama's viewing figures were down almost one million compared to the opening episode in July.
The series became a ratings and critical success in the US when it started in 2006, but failed to win any Emmy Awards despite eight nominations.
Creator Tim Kring recently apologised for a slow start to the second season, which has suffered falling US ratings.
Sluggish storylines
Kring admitted that sluggish storylines and an influx of new characters had led to an audience backlash and promised to get the programme back on track.
BBC Two has struck a deal with US broadcaster NBC to screen future series of the sci-fi show in the UK, including the second series.
The first series was initially shown on cable channel Sci-Fi earlier this year.
The futuristic drama sees a group of characters with special powers unite to try to prevent a chain of events from causing catastrophe in New York.
Story from BBC NEWS:
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The last watcher - December 8, 2007 08:31 AM (GMT)
| QUOTE (willowroolz @ May 23 2007, 05:52 PM) |
| QUOTE (Darris @ May 23 2007, 05:42 PM) | | I am also wondering who Molly was talking about, at first I thought Linderman, but now Claire's grandmother is coming to mind? |
Oooh, I like that idea :thumbsup:
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She is one of the few 'old guard' (that we know about) left.......but Molly did use He and Him when talking about the one worse than the boogieman........my first thought was Hiro's dad......?
Finally seen the finale........I echo all the comments above about the ending seeming a little dis-jointed.....my main problem was, if Sylar had time to react and stop Parkmans bullets in mid-air why did he just stand there and let Hiro run and stick him with a sword.......my missus suggested that this was the point he realised that he couldnt change the future he had painted, but I'm not so sure :ponder:
I quite enjoyed the ending, but that was probably due to my expectations being lower due to hearing the comments of those who had already seen it.... :shrug:
Maria - April 4, 2008 04:06 PM (GMT)
| QUOTE (willowroolz @ May 22 2007, 10:17 PM) |
It was good, but my overwhelming feeling at the end was "Is that it?" :shrug:
The finale was nicely done but it lacked tension, imo. I liked Nathan's arrival to save the day, but Sylar (who I've increasingly thought of as a weak, lacklustre villain) seemed to forget all his powers at an incredibly convenient moment. How come he couldn't hear Nikki's heartbeat when she crept up behind him? How come he just didn't fling Hiro away when he was charging with the sword? His demise was too easy and not worthy of the build up over the previous 22 episodes.
And other inconsistencies. If Mrs Petrelli was so bothered about getting Claire to safety why didn't she just tell Nathan to fly down and get her back when she jumped out of the window? Looks like all their powers can only be used when it's convenient for the writers. |
Just catching up with some previous threads and Iknow this is old but I 100% agree here!
I love Heroes and can't wait for the UK airing of Season 2 but I was left thinking at the end of S1, is that it? Hopefully some of the things will become clear in S2.