all that to have gwen freaked out so much that we got that finale :ermm: ........... is it a soap now?!?! <_< does that mean "what's his name" boyfriend gonna die soon enough? :ponder:

it supposed to be aliens and beasts and .... not completly "insane" countryside people and they said the harvest was every 10 years but no one (research people) seemed to have investigate and learn about that.

ok the build up/tension was there (and was well done) but really i was expecting a little more (from the writer) :ermm:

gwen is hurt, she seem down and weak but after a quick countryside surgery :rolleyes: , nope i am fine even if a little shaky <_<

Woohooo.

It's the Welsh chainsaw massacre :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :lol:

OK, so no aliens, fairies (unless you count Jack :drool: :whistling: ) or other usual Torchwood threats, but that's what made it so interesting to me.

I kept on wondering what it could be that was killing everyone. Even to the last minute, I was waiting for the alien threat to reveal itself. :rolleyes: But that's just me. :lol:

Did anyone else feel that Gwen should have shot the guy at the end? When he whispered that he enjoyed it? I would have.

Or maybe this is a plan to reduce the Welsh prison population :shifty: :shifty: :lol:

Different, but still, not bad :thumbsup:

Great stuff, very tense.

I too was waiting for the great "possessed by aliens" reveal that never came.

And the line of dialogue.....

"This is a local shop, for local people. We'll have no torchwood here!"

Thinking about it, Aliens probably did land there, and got eaten :lol:

Just when you thought it was safe to have an opinion :D



Another dire instalment IMO


So, loads of people go missing. Did the police not think of knocking on a few doors?

Gwen and Owen....Let's face it us women just love being taken by force. She should have shot him.

John (I should have stuck with the stage) Barrowman gets worse every week.


Looking forward to next weeks :D

Why, what happened? Owen is such a prick :ermm:

Well it was his prick that was leading him last night.......any strong woman would have at least pushed him away. He's a tosser.

You shouldn't be reading this..it'll only spoil the.....erm.....fun?

Cheers :ermm:

I've just read on another site that this ep is Dog Soldiers-lite? Would you say this was a fair comparison?

LMFAO :)

I'll say this....


This episode is crap. Dog Soldiers is outstanding :)

And yet, you watch the show week after week. :blink:

Well, it could get better.

well one of the baddies was a cop, so i suppose that was the reason the "family" was not suspected. <_<

I don't think it's quite that simple. Hundreds of people go missing and it's only the Welsh police that know about it? One person goes missing and it's on the news :)

I thought it was very good! Tension, twist of no aliens just sick humans. And I remember someone criticising that Wales only seems to consist of the Millenium stadium and most of the show is shot during the dark. Well here we are in the country side, with an episode filmed during the day (the skys so dark you could mistake it for night time).

One of the best so far.

If you didn't like it I think you should be taken to the Welsh countryside and shot.

And by the way Owen is not a prick, tosser etc. It was obvious its the way Gwen was feeling too, otherwise she wouldn't have responded in that way. And after the third episode we know Owen is against rape and he wasn't being forceful at all.

Its about how Torchwood has changed Gwen, and frankly I didn't see it coming so it was a nice surprise, Gwen and Jack maybe but Gwen and Owen, no way!

Be interesting to see how it develops over the next few weeks.

OK. It was 17 not a hundred, and this is Wales, do you live in Wales? Its desolate and sparsly populated, and small communities are left to themselves, they probably have one/two police officers visit once or twice a month unless there is an emergency. And hey that 1 police officer was in on it. Hundreds of people go missing everyday in the UK and unless they are under 16 its hardly ever on the news, *unless* their bodies are found.

This is a TV programme not real life and therefore it won't always be true to real life, I don't remember ever seeing a Weevil running down the street, therefore for plot reasons it might not have been in the news, or it could have been we just never saw it. Or even better Torchwood kept it hush.

The constant Nit-picking is not needed, I could nit pick Dog soldiers if you want there are plenty of plot inconsistencies in that film, but you seem to praise it and yet insult this programme for its plot inconsistencies.

In the end I watched it enjoyed it and will watch it again this week, I only feel sorry for those people who seem to subject themselves to what they feel is torture by forcing themselves to watch it each week.

Heres a tip for you Bad Wolf, get Sky One, Lost is on at the same time as Torchwood, watch that instead, you'll have great fun with the plot inconsistencies in that, it will keep you entertained for hours!

Well, Well, Well for someone who seems to be a true follower and worshiper of season 1 Doctor Who, I'm surprised you seem to be insulting the actor who played one of the best characters who featured. John Barrowman is a fine lead in this, and I'll think you'll probably be hard pressed to find a better lead.

All in all I think its very good, and the bad comments are not well founded.

In the 1st (or 2nd) ep he was happy to use to what amounted to nothing more than a date rape drug to get his end away and in this one, the "you know you want it" thing... sorry, if he's not a vile excuse for a human being I don't know what is. For the writers to try and make people believe that a woman would like that kind of thing...


Just to add also, I'm finding your continued attacking of Max as unfair, patronising and verging on nasty.

I think maybe past episode 2 maybe he has changed, and as for the 'date rape drug' thing, well that whole scene was a joke, first of all any date rape drug leaves the victim unconcious. What we've seen here is the act of some alien Pheromones, which we have seen before in Charmed, The New Adventures Of Superman etc. And in the end he gets his just deserts, having to fend off the boyfriend with the pheromones. What I'm saying is he comes good in episode 3, and does try to get some Justice for the victim. Overall I don't think the he's a rapist, and I doubt thats how the writers and RTD are trying to portray him. I think he's kind of off the track but his heart is in the right place.

As for the 'attacking' of Max, I'm just sparking up debate, which is what she is doing.If the reasons for disliking something are described as 'its crap' , without any justification I feel its my duty to try and find out why. I just don't see the problems she has with the show, I'm sorry, if I'm being to forward and I will give myself a slap on the wrist....

re: the pheromones: i thought it was just to avoid the small talk and go straigh to the ..... :ermm: point .... :naughty: ...

Opening with this line probably doesn't help Dan;

Following directly on from Max's post it comes across as a veiled attack.

I don't agree with Max's opinion of the show, so far, or Barrowman, but there's always going to be a difference of opinion, that's why boards like this exist.

Max, I'm sure the show has some redeeming qualities, perhaps Dan and the others would appreciate you mentioning them from time to time. Sounds to me like your opinion of Torchwood is along the lines of mine about Robin Hood. I was told on another board that it seemed like I only watched the show to complain about it in an informed manner. They were probably right, so I stopped watching it and found something better to do with my time.

If you don't like Torchwood, fair enough, no show suits everyone, but why waste your time when you could find something else to watch or something else to do? I don't have the time to watch everything I want to as it is, so anything that doesn't cut the mustard gets thrown out! :lol:

Sorry, Sorry, Sorry,

A joke, obviously some people don't share my sense of humour. The comment seemed appropriate at the time as it linked in with the episode, and was not directly aimed at Bad Wolf/Max, just generally, I now retract the comment. (not like I have a gun though :whistling: ).

I just feel that some posts not just from Bad Wolf/Max seem to be very vague, oh its crap, another rubbish episode etc. I just would like to have some reasons why, I've used say Deep Space Nine as a example before I did not care for it and I explained fully why.

And being into Forensics I'm a sucker for detail.... :)

Another point I was trying to make, but as always better worded by you ;)

At this far into the series if you don't like it I think its past its redemption stage were half way through. I admit Max does have a strong will I would have given up on it by now, if I thought it was as bad as she does, but I don't and will be watching 'til the end.

:lol: Yes, and either way it only enhances the attraction, so obviously the woman fancied him, or was sexually active at the time. I've just checked around and it is pheramones he was using, obviously off an alien race with a high libido. Also that part reminded me a little of the episode of Buffy where Xander has all the women coming after him, even Jenny Calendar. :lol:

Decent episode. :) After the first 10 minutes or so I did think oh it’s a welsh Texas Chainsaw Massacre / The Hills Have Eyes I wonder what supernatural twist they’ll put on it … only they didn’t put a twist on it did they ? Although the fact that, like Jamie, I kept expecting one to come right up to the end and it didn’t was in itself a kind of twist. I think. :blink: Anyway as with last weeks I’m really glad that they’re not just concentrating on aliens and are doing other related stories ala The X Files.

Regards Owen and Gwen I think calling him a rapist or to say he forced himself on her is a bit strong however I have to say that the supposed sexual tension between them was forced and rather unconvincing imo but saying that I did believe in her decision at the end and could completely see why she did it. Anyway as far as I’m concerned Owen’s not the problem Inato is – he’s terrible! He had one good moment when he spoilt the mood at the camp site but after that whenever he has to show some emotions he’s awful, I was really disappointed he made it to the end alive. :rolleyes: Speaking of the acting while I like Gwen and I like the actress who plays her she does over act a bit every now and then, this week it was the ‘I have to know the truth Jack’ bit at the end – bit too dramatic, bit too over enunciated, a bit too Dawn French doing Catherine Zeta Jones. ;)

Oh and one last thing I just can’t take them seriously when they’re running around pointing their guns Jack Bauer style – they just look silly to me. :lol: All the niggles aside I still enjoyed it and will be watching next week.

Thank-you for a well thought and informative review which got your opinions over in way which was understandable and entertaining.

Its interesting about what you say about the Owen and Gwen feature although the seeds were set for some time the way she supported him to some extent in searching for the murderer in episode 3 I think, and the kiss in the episode in episode 4 I think it was a bit forced through as well, really it should have taken at least a few more episodes, so maybe they want to get somewhere with this plotline sometime this series? But in the end especially with the scene where he was taking the pellets out of her abdomen, I think truly she had fallen for him, especially with the doctor talk. And trust me alot of women fall for Doctor's very easily......Maybe the whole rapist stance is because after what seemed the forceful lust scene there wasn't much 'falling in love scene', which I think probably was the scene I just described. Anyway in the end it was Gwen that went back to Owen, its not like they sealed the deal round her place, and if anything I see Owen being the one getting hurt here possibly when she realises it might have been a mistake, but equally she could leave the boyfriend/ or just keep Owen as a bit on the side, either route is avaliable to the writers. In which case I think Gwen is the one put in the bad light because she is actually the one cheating on her boyfriend.

It seemed that Toshiko may have a thing for Owen as well, especially when they were talking about their last snog.

Well just have to see how it plays out.....

Sometimes you amaze me Dan, it can't be easy for you having to type with your head stuck so far up your own arse.


Last weeks comments consisted of "I liked this one" or "I really enjoyed this one" or "Isn't JB gorgeous".....why is that ok? I write a few lines saying "it's crap" etc and that's not allowed. It's hard to write something deep when you can't find any substance to write about. It's also very annoying that everyone gets to attack me before the thread gets locked. We should all be allowed to have our say IMO. I don't care what you think of me to be honest. It's not like I'll ever meet you.

Why were they there? They can't spot a Cyberwoman in their own basement so what the hell made them go into the countryside to begin with? None of it adds up. It's the same old same old...blonde woman (alone) goes to investigate in the middle of nowhere......


This is TV..it's not real. Ok, there were some good points....The views of the beautiful Welsh countryside were lovely. I can't think of a better place to be shot.


I didn't like JB in Doctor Who for the same reasons I don't like him in Torchwood. IMO (please note the IMO) He's not a very good actor. I find him too theatrical.

Owen used the spray to make people sleep with him. Is that not rape? You can't change the rules for the sake of being in the right all of the time.


I will continue to watch Torchwood and I will also continue to add my thoughts. I think some people here should try and be a tad less bitchy. Attacking somone will only make them attack right back.

After last weeks episode that I really enjoyed, this was a let down.

Gwen/Owen, why? I've never taken to Owen, I find him annoying, although he was OK in Ghost Machine. It does seem to be following the Rose/Mickey route of getting rid of the boyfriend early on.

Whatever Owen gave Gwen must have been some great stuff, up and about in no time after getting shot with shotgun pellets!

Fortunately my picture on BBC 3 decided to break up continually on Sunday night so I didn't get to see it :lol:

Unfortunately Sky One was fine, which resulted in me switching over to Lost. I gave up after 10 minutes and stuck on a dvd of The 4400 instead :lol: :thumbsup:

Right.

That's it.

Enough of the personal attacks!!!!


Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, I admit that. Discussion of said opinions is fine, but when it degenerates into mud slinging and abusive posts it will not be tolerated.

Max, yes, you are entitled to your opinion, but please, try to be constructive in your criticism, posting "I thought it was crap" each and every week is bound to illicit adverse responses.

Dan, just cool it OK?

I refuse to allow this forum to devolve into the factional chaos that was the BBC boards at the end.


Any further personal attacks will result in the perpetrator having their post either moderated, edited or removed completely.

That seems fair enough to me Jamie :)

Lightweight :p :lol: :lol:

:lol:

I assume you're talking about Lost :p :lol: ;)

More you giving up on Lost :ph43r: :lol: :lol:

I have nothing bad to say about The 4400 :thumbsup:

(except for the writers believing Killing Joke is a new band - I've been listening to them for 2 decades :rolleyes: )

Fair enough I possibly was a touch too harsh, and I have aplogised before on this same thread, even before Max had even replied.

But alot of the posts are backed up with assumptions. Like this one, the woman was in a car driving in the countryside and you assume that she's investigating nowhere. I've been studying alot of murder cases where people have been on legitmate and neccesary trips across the coutryside alone. And alot of your posts I must say are based on assumptions in my opinion.Such as the post that if someone goes missing its on the news straight away.

I think if (and I'm not being nasty here far from it) you stopped assuming too much and looking too far into it you'd enjoy the show. I think maybe I had accepted (from episode 1) , it for what it is an adult Sci-fi show which Jamie said and I agree to an extent, said is a little bit cheesy, but then again thats basically Doctor Who as well its a family show which is quite cheesy and quirky at times and thats one of its main appeals. Whereas Max has still to accept it, and is still waiting for it to change into the super serious, drama, CSI show, which tries to be as true to life as possible, which to some degree it is lampooning, at least thats what I think at least.

And does that make you right? Again its my opinion and I have based it on the fact that in a court of law that is not rape, apart from the fact that the evidence would be thrown out of court, I backed up my explanation with science which is what an expert witness would do in court. I'm not changing the rules far from it I'm accustomed to the rules.

A date rape drug, is termed as a drug, because it basically in simple terms it changes cell function in the body. At different concentrations you will get different effects and the drug basically inhibits cell function in the brain releasing the chemicals which naturally come out when you become tired or sleepy but to a degree which leaves the individual in a delirious to even unconcious state this is when the victim will be taken advantage of.

Owen used a pheromones is a chemical, its not a drug as it does not change cell function or effect the body. It is a chemical message which alerts the senses, and this type of pheromone is a message to a female that gets them sexually aware. Owen spraying himself, with this chemical message would have the same effect as say him morphing into Brad Pitt (or whoever you think the sexiest guy in the world is) and then Brad Saying as well do you want to have sex right here right now, which to many women the answer would be an emphatic YES!!!!

Its basically how animals mainly insects attract a mate as really they can't tell one from the other so sometimes its the one with the most pheromones which gets first pick. And actually we've seen this on Buffy, nobody mentioned it as rape then, Smallville, nope....and even The New Adventures Of Superman, hell even in Batman it was Poison Ivy's power, and again I didn't hear anyone metioning rape, why may I add because yes it was a woman using the pheromones, and not a man. But the minute they put this into the hands of a male he's a 'rapist'.

And the way it wouldn't be defined as rape is that Owen subjected himself to the chemical, the woman was not subjected to anything but a chemical signal which last I checked was not banned under UK law. And really all it is doing is making him more attractive to women, but as it was alien it was obviously too strong and even I think he was pretty surprised when the women came on strongly so I think it was the first time he had used it. Really I don't think he knew it would be that powerful. And saying Owen used the spray to make people sleep with him is another assumption, did we actually see him have sex? I think the law here is innocent until proved guilty as well.

And if anything there are some men who go out and have sex with women who have gotten too drunk, and its a common occurence, yet this kind of behaviour to some is acceptable 'oh you had a few drinks' when in fact my lecturer has been to give evidence at several court cases in this scenario as well, women must remember that drink for drink they cannot keep up with the men, and remember just because you've been drinking doesn't mean that you haven't been targeted and taken advantage of, even if they haven't used specific drugs.

Dan, that balances out your 'Should be Shot' comment, but that's enough from both of you.

In prompting discussion it's not. On the other hand it's hardly likely to provoke ill feeling in the way that constant negative jibes will.

Many people, by nature, are defensive. Negative statements are bound to elicit a response. How many times did people bite when the trolls on the Beeb boards posted something provocative?

I often find it's easier than handing out praise tbh.

Threads shouldn't need to be locked fullstop.

I can see both sides on this one so I'm not going to apportion blame. Suffice to say however that continued bitchiness, on either side will not be tolerated. Keep it constructive, keep it civilised, and heed Jamie's words. This is supposed to be a fun place, not mudslinger central :)

I can see both sides too, and I'm sorry for descending into the depths of what was the BBC boards circa 2004, I was there!! But on the other hand I can't help but think Max has really already made up her mind about this series almost to the point whereby I have already by the power of foresight can predict her review for next weeks episode. :)

But I for one am looking forward to hopefully a more insightful view to her television experience of Torchwood next week. Maybe. :ph43r: :lol:

Sorry to step on James' & Jamies's toes here, but again Dan this comment, not helping your case :rolleyes:

Dan, just leave it alone now ;)

LOL Lisa, you beat me too it :lol:

Don't worry,

Seems Torchwood is a firey topic on these boards, to hot for me to handle actually.......

I actually feel :fear: to post here anymore, Oh well back over to Outpost Gallifrey.

Dan, we are not trying to make you feel like you can't post here, we were just asking you to tone it down a little ;)

Dan, I'm sorry too that you feel unable to contribute to this forum, but if you look to the left, just under the banner at the top of the page, you'll see a link to the forum rules one of which is....

Now in this thread, this rule has been broken, bent, twisted and downright sh*t upon from a great height. It will not be tolerated.

If your comments are about the show, and this is directed to all parties involved in this situation, then everything will be peachy.

Keep it clean, and keep it relevant.

I'd listen to Jamie, he's scary :fear: Seriously, he is!

Don't worry, I concede to your point, I'll try to be as sweaky clean as I can be....

Again I think I need to retune my sense of humour. In which case it might be easier to post elsewhere.

As for Jamie, thats who I'm :fear: of.....

And I apologise I've managed to follow the rules for almost is it two years? And I will call this my only lapse, and I'm sitting at home feeling like I've let people here down.

Sorry :tear: