View Full Version: 3X07 A measure of salvation

Cult Tv Boards > Season 3 > 3X07 A measure of salvation



Title: 3X07 A measure of salvation


jamiearmour - November 12, 2006 04:53 PM (GMT)
QUOTE
Admiral Adama and President Roslin must decide whether to use a biological weapon against the Cylons when the result may be genocide.

D'Anna Biers (Number Three) attempts to find out who created the virus. She believes Baltar knows, and she is willing to take extreme measures to learn the truth.

Synopsis from TV.com


Wow.

Each and every scene with Baltar in the past few episodes has been so superbly shot, as to give the viewer the same kind of disconcerting feeling that Baltar himself seems to have whenever he wakes up. This week being no different.

The moral quandry, commit genocide to save your own race? Quite a heady question, that few shows would have the guts to ask, but it's played out brilliantly here.

Helo was right though, it would have been a crime against Humanity, their own. It's just as well that Helo was there, in that room, to act as the conscience of the entire human race. But, now they know that bio weapons can be effective, at least for now, it could be kept as an absolute last resort, couldn't it? :unsure: Adama wasn't too fussed with the idea, from the outset he remained silent on the whole idea, even deferring the final decision to Roslin. She seem to think she is the spiritual leader of the fleet, if that's true, then he seems to be enacting the role of spiritual (and physical) guardian to it.

This show, keeps pushing the boundaries, and long may it continue to do so. :thumbsup:

melian - November 12, 2006 07:44 PM (GMT)
So say we all!

Crichton Kicks - November 12, 2006 09:49 PM (GMT)
I liked the way they played the Adama situation. You could clearly tell from the outset that he wasn't keen on the idea, but ultimately it was Roslin's decision to make. Given what happened last year with the military vs politicians feud he was wise to defer the decision. That being said, he didn't seem too upset at Helo's actions and even went so far as to protect him.

I love that kind of ethical dilemna. Like anything else with Battlestar even the unconscionable choice had at least some modicum of appeal. To be free of the Cylon threat for good, what price that?

The Baltar situation was every much as captivating. Looks to me like Baltar's going down a similar path to that of Baltar from the original series. How long before he's leading the Cylons?

jamiearmour - November 13, 2006 01:50 AM (GMT)
I'm getting really curious about the other 5 models. Why aren't they talked about? Are they renegades? Deep cover operatives? Are they all Baltar's different personalities? :lol:

I wanna know now.

Crichton Kicks - November 13, 2006 09:43 AM (GMT)
I can't tell what's going on with the different models. I think it's fair to say that they're deliberately keeping the other five back for shock value when they're finally introduced. You know that at least one of them's going to be high profile, ie. someone we know from the Galactica crew. Having said that, surely Sharon would know? :shrug:

I just hope they don't eventually go down the sloppy route and have it all being some sort of Projection. Given the Cylon ability to Project this could all be in Gaius' head, testing out what would happen if they actually attacked the colonies. I doubt Ron Moore would go down that route though.

jamiearmour - November 13, 2006 01:01 PM (GMT)
I'm sticking with my hunch from last season.

Roslin is one of the other 5 models. :ph43r:

Crichton Kicks - November 13, 2006 04:56 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (jamiearmour @ Nov 13 2006, 01:01 PM)
I'm sticking with my hunch from last season.

Roslin is one of the other 5 models. :ph43r:

Yeah. Can't see it being Adama.

Although, giving the order to commit genocide against the Cylons perhaps undermines the Roslin theory though.

Tom could be one though. Maneuvered nicely into the Vice Presidency.

jamiearmour - November 13, 2006 08:46 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (Crichton Kicks @ Nov 13 2006, 05:56 PM)
QUOTE (jamiearmour @ Nov 13 2006, 01:01 PM)
I'm sticking with my hunch from last season.

Roslin is one of the other 5 models. :ph43r:

Yeah. Can't see it being Adama.

Although, giving the order to commit genocide against the Cylons perhaps undermines the Roslin theory though.

Tom could be one though. Maneuvered nicely into the Vice Presidency.

From what Caprica said, I get the feeling that there may be some kind of rift between the 7 models we've seen, and the remaining 5, so Roslin's order may have been tactical.

Though, releasing the strain through the fleet's air supply would root out any surviving Cylon spies wouldn't it? Even the ones we don't know about :ponder: :ponder: A thought for the future perhaps?

willowroolz - November 13, 2006 08:50 PM (GMT)
Every week the show seems to be asking really difficult questions of us as viewers. That's what I'm really loving about this season. In essence this was quite a talky episode and yet it managed to be totally riveting because of the dilemma it posed.

The repercussions for Helo and Sharon could be interesting, given how the series has recently dealt with perceived traitors. I can only imagine how the likes of Tigh and Kara (who rather refreshingly took a back seat this week) will react when they find out what happened. I'm actually a little shocked that Roslin's reaction wasn't a great deal stronger - giving weight to Jamie's theory, perhaps :ponder:

It interested me how this storyline could have easily been lifted from Wells's War of the Worlds, the innocuous human virus that wipes out such a huge threat. If the Cylons do ever make it to Earth I'm willing to bet they'll have come up with a cure for the common cold before they even set foot on terra firma :lol:

willowroolz - November 13, 2006 08:58 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (jamiearmour @ Nov 13 2006, 08:46 PM)
QUOTE (Crichton Kicks @ Nov 13 2006, 05:56 PM)
QUOTE (jamiearmour @ Nov 13 2006, 01:01 PM)
I'm sticking with my hunch from last season.

Roslin is one of the other 5 models. :ph43r:

Yeah. Can't see it being Adama.

Although, giving the order to commit genocide against the Cylons perhaps undermines the Roslin theory though.

Tom could be one though. Maneuvered nicely into the Vice Presidency.

From what Caprica said, I get the feeling that there may be some kind of rift between the 7 models we've seen, and the remaining 5

I was wondering about that last week. Didn't Caprica say something along the lines of "we don't talk about them (the other 5 models)" in the previous episode. I was wondering if they were maybe the prototypes and they went wrong somehow and were destroyed or cast out :ponder:

Dramatically it doesn't make a lot of sense in terms of the series, though, whereas having "skin jobs" strategically placed within the fleet for future revelation does :ponder:

Persephone - November 14, 2006 09:00 PM (GMT)
Okay, I think BSG has now officially become my favourite TV programme ever :thumbsup:

Another stunning ep. :thumbsup: But can this momentum last, could this possibly be a perfect season of any show, without any duff, a bit crap, or obvious filler episodes :o

I'm positive that Roslin can't be one of the missing models, she'd have had way too many blood tests with her cancer diagnosis. I'm pretty sure one of 'em 'smart doctor types' would have picked up on something amiss or indeed metal ;)

If I had to take a guess at anyone on the crew, my wild card would be Lee Adama's new wife. Possibly similiar to Sharon's original predicament, with her not being concious of it yet :shrug:





Crichton Kicks - November 14, 2006 10:13 PM (GMT)
The only thing working against the 'hidden in plain sight' theory is that wouldn't Sharon know?

jamiearmour - November 15, 2006 12:11 AM (GMT)
Which could lend credence to the theory of them being prototypes, who went wrong, and are thus, never mentioned :ponder: :ponder: :unsure:

Crichton Kicks - November 15, 2006 07:57 AM (GMT)
^^ Just don't see it myself. Sharon would undoubtedly know about the prototypes, and even if they were a taboo subject, I'm sure if she a few of them wandering around the Galactica she'd point them out as an imminent threat.

willowroolz - November 15, 2006 08:11 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (Crichton Kicks @ Nov 15 2006, 07:57 AM)
^^ Just don't see it myself. Sharon would undoubtedly know about the prototypes, and even if they were a taboo subject, I'm sure if she a few of them wandering around the Galactica she'd point them out as an imminent threat.

That's assuming they're wandering around Galactica. It's also assuming that Sharon hasn't got a hidden agenda :ponder:

QUOTE
But can this momentum last, could this possibly be a perfect season of any show, without any duff, a bit crap, or obvious filler episodes

I'm seriously hoping they pace it better than they did last season, which took a real dip after the Pegasus episodes, imo.

I think there's only one thing that's stopping me thinking of this as one of my favourite series and that's the lack of humour - the subject matter is usually so heavy that there's no room for it :ponder:

jamiearmour - November 15, 2006 01:08 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (willowroolz @ Nov 15 2006, 09:11 AM)
I think there's only one thing that's stopping me thinking of this as one of my favourite series and that's the lack of humour - the subject matter is usually so heavy that there's no room for it :ponder:

What do you mean?

Every time I see Xena Cylon princess on screen, I burst out laughing

willowroolz - November 15, 2006 01:32 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (jamiearmour @ Nov 15 2006, 01:08 PM)
QUOTE (willowroolz @ Nov 15 2006, 09:11 AM)
I think there's only one thing that's stopping me thinking of this as one of my favourite series and that's the lack of humour - the subject matter is usually so heavy that there's no room for it  :ponder:

What do you mean?

Every time I see Xena Cylon princess on screen, I burst out laughing

:lol: :rolleyes:

She doesn't look right as a blonde :weird: :snooty:

Crichton Kicks - November 15, 2006 05:49 PM (GMT)
Re: Sharon's agenda, I think they've already played the 'Sharon's hidden agenda' card to conclusion now. They'd just be retreading old ground if they went down that route again and I don't see Moore doing that. He's not usually one to take the convenient/easy route.

I kind of see where you're coming from on Galactica's overall merits though Steve. For me, as much as I love the show, I couldn't put it up there with B5, Farscape or Firefly. For me, it's not the humour. I don't mind that. Given the situation I don't think it would really be appropriate or warranted most of the time. To be honest, I can't really put my finger on what it is about the show that just stops it from ranking up there with the greats. All I know is, if they'd cancelled B5 I'd have been gutted, truly gutted. If they cancelled BSG, I'd be p*ssed off, but I'd get over it, and probably fairly quickly.

That being said though, I'd rather they didn't cancel it, and I'm thoroughly enjoying it. Last season was a little unevenly paced, but this year they hit the ground running and they've just not stopped, not yet at any rate.

Crichton Kicks - November 15, 2006 05:51 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (jamiearmour @ Nov 15 2006, 01:08 PM)
QUOTE (willowroolz @ Nov 15 2006, 09:11 AM)
I think there's only one thing that's stopping me thinking of this as one of my favourite series and that's the lack of humour - the subject matter is usually so heavy that there's no room for it  :ponder:

What do you mean?

Every time I see Xena Cylon princess on screen, I burst out laughing

I don't actually mind Lucy Lawless's performance(s) on the show so far. She's proving to be an admirable foil for Number Six :thumbsup:

I think the primary source of humour, for the majority of the series so far, stems from Gaius in one form or another :thumbsup:

willowroolz - November 15, 2006 05:54 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (Crichton Kicks @ Nov 15 2006, 05:49 PM)
Re: Sharon's agenda, I think they've already played the 'Sharon's hidden agenda' card to conclusion now. They'd just be retreading old ground if they went down that route again and I don't see Moore doing that. He's not usually one to take the convenient/easy route.

Yes, I agree. The one fly in the ointment may be when she finds out about her baby, which would have a significant affect on her disposition one would imagine :fear: :lol:

I kind of like the idea of the other 5 models being outcasts or something along those lines, though. A Cylon civil war would be interesting :ponder:

Maybe they've already found their way to Earth and are sitting there waiting for everyone else to arrive :lol:

Crichton Kicks - November 15, 2006 06:09 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (willowroolz @ Nov 15 2006, 05:54 PM)
QUOTE (Crichton Kicks @ Nov 15 2006, 05:49 PM)
Re: Sharon's agenda, I think they've already played the 'Sharon's hidden agenda' card to conclusion now. They'd just be retreading old ground if they went down that route again and I don't see Moore doing that. He's not usually one to take the convenient/easy route.

Yes, I agree. The one fly in the ointment may be when she finds out about her baby, which would have a significant affect on her disposition one would imagine :fear: :lol:

I kind of like the idea of the other 5 models being outcasts or something along those lines, though. A Cylon civil war would be interesting :ponder:

Maybe they've already found their way to Earth and are sitting there waiting for everyone else to arrive :lol:

I agree, going forward that's undoubtedly going to be a problem, but for the moment she's no reason to be subversive or anything less than honest. She didn't even go out of her way to disuade Roslin's plan to wipe out the Cylons.

I thought they were angling towards a Cylon civil war towards the end of last season, with Sharon and Number Six kind of taking up positions contrary to that being occupied by the rest.

Re: Earth, I'll just be interested to see whether it's modern-day Earth or a futuristic Earth that can kick the Cylons' ass :thumbsup:

jamiearmour - November 15, 2006 10:57 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (willowroolz @ Nov 15 2006, 06:54 PM)

Maybe they've already found their way to Earth and are sitting there waiting for everyone else to arrive :lol:

Maybe we're all Cylons and we don't know it yet :fear: :fear: :fear: :fear:




Hosted for free by InvisionFree