We had a poll a while ago about whether or not to change Dawn's name but we have not had one about Dawn herself. sk

get out get out GET OUT

so maybe apart in a very few episode of season seven, she was an annoying teen sister (dawn is in trouble, must be tuesday) <_<

My personal feeling is that Dawn in S5 was absolute genius being the ultimate alienated teenager who really doesn't belong rather than just feeling that way. sk

Unlike many of you I think Dawn is great! Buffy needed a reason to keep fighting and after Joyce died she had to have someone to take care of and to love.

As for Dawn's whine at times it gets on my nerves at times to but I can see it from her point of view she is frustrated because she left out and she wants to be a bigger part of Buffy's life. Dawn felt like she had to sit on the side lines and watch rather then take part maybe thats why I identifty with so much?

As Claire said in season 7 she had grown up a lot if there had been an 8th season Dawn would become she own person. That was one the most disappointing things about season 7 I thought we would see her become a scooby but instead Buffy had to spent time with the Potentials.

I think she is sweet, loyal and doesn't back down! :thumbsup:

in season seven, dawn seemed to understood that buffy needed to lead the potential but she was also a little annoyed that buffy didn't train her anymore (even if after a whole summer training, she had a very long way to go before being good at slaying..... see lessons ............ well like any of the scoobies ................ just that none of the scoobies actually ever asked buffy to teach them how to fight before) :ponder:

I second that. The writers really managed to create the sense of not belonging and make a brilliant big bad (ok mediocre big bad), which ultimatately led to one of the best season finale's.

Not a Dawn fan though. :snooty:

Dawn- not big and not clever..the character was created to be a liability and is. Should have been end of story, but outstays her welcome. becomes increasingly implausible, hence even more annoying for reasons other than the original characterisation.

Have only ever heard 2 half-reasonable excuses for her existance: to appeal to younger viewers now the original scoobies were getting so growed-up. So a commerical tactic rather than organic narrative development. And for me, it shows.

And to give Buffy something to live for after Joyce died. Crass, and I mostly know the writing is better than that. If life tosses you a cruel bereavement, it doesn't tend to add a bonus sibling (however ghastly) as compensation. And the series' allegories are usually completely truthful, however bizarre, so cant imagine why they 'd think we'd buy it.

Buffy should have died in s 5 FAILING to save her.
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I have to agree with you that never made any sense to me come to think of Dawn was probably one of best people best placed to help train the Potentials. I mean she had spent years watching Buffy train so new most moves and up untill "Chosen" she would had more skills then any Potentials who had just few weeks to learn. Intead that job went to Kennedy purely because of relationship with Willow. <_< I think the two reason why this didn't happen 1) Buffy was training so she would make through Sunnydale not to lead into battle to save the world. Losing Dawn was the thing she feared most and she promised Joyce she would keep her safe. 2) The writers just wanted Dawn to be "normal" like Xander one the strenth of Buffy was not every one had great powers or skills they just wanted to help because it was the right thing to do.

I agree with some of that Joe. I do think S7 couldhave been less potential related but S5 was a Dawn focused season and too much of one character would have put some people off. S2 and 3 were very Angel focused and I know alot of fans that didn't like that (are they crazy?).

I think Dawns role was to play the whiny sister who could never live up to her sisters standards set, she played a side charactor very well but I don't think the charactor had that much scope to be the main or even quite important person of an eight season.

Surely you mean Buffy should have left Dawn to die? :ph43r:

Also Dawn - bonus, consider instead they threw Dawn in to make Buffy's life even harder. :lmao:

Truthfully I think the Buffyverse would have been better without her.

I could be wrong but I get the feeling that you're not a fan of Dawn? :lol: I can't believe we are talking about the same person but that the boards are fun. I don't seem to have seen much of lately Alex nice to see you again!

I reckon the writers should have had Dawn kidnap Andrew and elope with him at the start of S7....... :thumbsup: :ponder: Then Buffy could have sent the majority of the potentials off to look for them...... :shifty: Thus removing most of the annoying characters in one go :yahoo:

Nope- meant what I said.
I have no problems with The Gift except Dawn's survival- Buffy's death and return opened up so much scope for the interesting things of series six. Coming back to life realising she'd failed to save little sis would have been so much more challenging in less obvious ways, I think. B)

You make many good strategic points. But tactically...

Think. Of. The. Children.


Of course, Andrew and Connor...anyone gone there before? :naughty:

If you were to Google those two names....almost certainly some fanfic out there somewhere for that pairing .....probably not for the faint hearted though...... :fear:

Anyway......

Although acknowledged acidulent about aforementioned abiogenesis abomination, after agonizing, adverse argument accredited.......albeit admittedly ambivalent about actress ability......

Ahem...... :ph43r:

Don't bother, what I just found was NOT worth a second read and quite frankly has put me off watching any Andrew / Spike / Wes / Connor episodes for a while. :x

Wasnt intending trying..........definitly wont now.......did warn you it could be gruesome........ :rolleyes: :lol:

Hi Joe

It's the summer holidays so I'm out most of the time with Robbi, that and the weather has been amazing. Sorry to rub it to those who have to w**k :whistling: :ph43r:

I thought that be the case I hope Robbi is having a good time!

w**k? What this w**k of which you speak? I am a University Student and as such don't know meaning of the word! :lol:

Absolutely amazing and admirable articulation of accredited animadversion.

Also:

Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaargh! :p

Arf Arf........... :D

:innocent: :whistling:

Is it your Werewatcher time of month or what? :unsure:

Thats the one......

When I grow a long shaggy tweed coat and get this urge to bark at the 'Astronomy' section of my local library...... :rolleyes: :ph43r:

Just dont go for the ankles of any mad scientists, or take a bite out of anything marked 'folklore' - there may be mushroom implications.... :thumbsup:

and yet in season seven (lies my parents tell me), buffy tell giles that this time if she had to let dawn die to save the world, she would do it :blink: ok maybe she was under a lot of stress but that was a little insane (or maybe she finally understood giles way of thinking ................ until she discover the set up for spike ................ so a vampire with a soul (and still dangerous as he still had the trigger at that point) was more important than her sister :ponder: even if spike was a better fighter than dawn but that doesn't explain everything.

She was bloody well awful and should never have been written!

I half considered not bothering with the show when she started becoming more and more annoying. Certainly tested my patience! At least the other characters were growing and still interesting to keep things going.

In short, she should be shot :)

Hey, Chris, you're turning out to be a serious asset to the diss Dawnie cause (wanna be Treasurer?) :thumbsup:

She should have been shot.......from a large gun....at Andrew.....possibly with Riley being taken out by shrapnel....... :D

she could have been used to close the hellmouth: one good use of the key ......... at least she wouldn't have been the last character to say something at the end of chosen <_<

Chris, get out quick! That way madness lies! :fear: :lol:

:fear:

Dawn should be dissed at every opportunity, however

:lol:

I had more of a problem with latter seasons Spike and Wooden Boy (Riley) <_<

:naughty: :drool:

Oh dear :no: :lol:

Riley was lovely. Buffy was a bitch to him :p

:lol:

She was at times, I'll grant you. Maybe with a better actor, or Blucas with better material... :ponder:

Well it wasn't the best script in the world :)


I would have looked after him :D

They didn't give him much to work with, that's for sure. Latter day Spike was even worse, imo. Take one of the most entertaining characters in the show and turn him into a lovesick fool. Thanks very much <_< :rolleyes:

well apart having a clone of xander (not the one from the replacement :lol: ) or angel, i suppose it would be difficult to turn an ex-marine into the perfect boyfriend (well they could but that would have to turn riley into a smart guy :unsure: )

My point was that Riley suffered in my estimation either due to the actor or poor writing affecting that actor's performance. If he wasn't a "smart guy" it was a limitation set by the writers, not by the nature of the character.

I suspect anyone who's looking for perfection in someone else will end up being disappointed in the long run, anyway :lol: